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Sydin posted:Hey Arnold was way ahead of its time. You have Helga on the Couch which not only has a positive portrayal of mental health but at certain points all but turns to the camera and says "if you're having trouble processing your feelings it's okay to seek help." You have Weighing Harold which is an episode about body positivist. You have The Aptitude Test which takes a justified poo poo on personality tests and says you shouldn't be weighed down but that kind of crap and pursue what you find interesting. Arnold is raised by not just his grandparents but the entire boarding house and this is constantly reinforced as perfectly fine even if it's not a "traditional" family. Everything to do with the coding of Helga's family the horrors of alcoholism and parental abuse. 
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A lot of episodes handle some serious topics in a jokey way; the one with Mr Smith the secretive boarding house resident is basically 'What's He Building In There' with a message about how it's perfectly fine for people to be private, and the make-up party where Helga calls out how hosed it up is that a bunch of nine year olds are using anti-ageing skin products. There's a lot of messages about having a functional family and community, respecting each others' differences, and even coping with a dysfunctional upbringing. I think one of the key things of healthy and unhealthy children's media, and why say, Sesame Street is still loved while Barney is hated, is whether it's actually willing and able to tackle negative feelings and show how they can be dealt with in a healthy way.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of episodes handle some serious topics in a jokey way; the one with Mr Smith the secretive boarding house resident is basically 'What's He Building In There' with a message about how it's perfectly fine for people to be private, and the make-up party where Helga calls out how hosed it up is that a bunch of nine year olds are using anti-ageing skin products. There's a lot of messages about having a functional family and community, respecting each others' differences, and even coping with a dysfunctional upbringing. Last time I saw a glimpse of sesame street the adult was yelling at grover for exhibiting childish behavior
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It was the only cartoon I've seen that directly featured the Vietnam War, both in the veteran's day episode where Gerald's dad was proud of doing what he could doing the war despite never fighting, and with Mr. Hyunh having been separated from his daughter in those famous pictures of the American evacuation around swarming crowds of refugees. Not really examining the politics of the whole thing, but definitely acknowledging it.
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hey arnold was great, i vote yes to the thread being about hey arnold somehow now. good work everyone
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Angepain posted:hey arnold was great, i vote yes to the thread being about hey arnold somehow now. good work everyone Just wait till I post my crossover fic where Arnold and the gang enroll at Hogwarts. There's a pretty good joke about "Football head" not carrying over to Britain that I mercilessly pad out to an entire chapter.
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Jun 14, 2020 18:53
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If you had to hang out with Curly or Eugene, which one would you choose?
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Jun 14, 2020 19:29
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Eugene. Curly would stab you in your sleep. Eugene would take a bullet for you albeit accidentally.
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Look, it's Buddy Love! And he's going coconuts!
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Sometimes my brain blanks and all I can think of is the argument about The Mauve Storm vs. The Dark Avenger
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The first Hey Arnold movie was about the kids having to band together to fight against gentrification. There was one episode where Helga has to assassinate a parrot that has memorized her love poem to Arnold. One time, Arnold and Gerold accidentally intercept some kind of organized crime money dropoff. Oh yeah, off topic, but some parents are gaslighting their daughter into thinking that she's a wizard in order to give her a revelation to atheism. https://twitter.com/kittynouveau/status/1276249791966720003 Since Arnold's kilt is actually a long flannel shirt, how hot does it get in the summer?
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TheAardvark posted:Sometimes my brain blanks and all I can think of is Stoop Kid
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SlothfulCobra posted:
According to the creator, Arnold's city is canonically in the Pacific Northwest so not that hot I don't think. I'm not that familliar with area though.
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I thought the city was New York when I was a kid. It does have a subway, I'm not sure if any PNW cities do?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought the city was New York when I was a kid. It does have a subway, I'm not sure if any PNW cities do? Its a completely fictional city called Hillview but its an amalgam of Portland (where Criag Bartlett went to college), Seattle (where Craug Bartlett grew up) and Brooklyn (where Craig Bartlett used to live). I swear hes said its geographically in the PNW on Reddit but I don't know how he would square that with it being a site in the American Revolution.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Its a completely fictional city called Hillview but its an amalgam of Portland (where Criag Bartlett went to college), Seattle (where Craug Bartlett grew up) and Brooklyn (where Craig Bartlett used to live). Yeah, I thought it was a mixup of a few cities. Pretty common with cartoon cities, see Duckburg. It's a pretty convenient way to use exactly the details you want without getting people bugging you, and can broaden appeal.
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Jun 27, 2020 16:19
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This kid is going to be mega hosed up and absolutely despise their parents
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Jun 27, 2020 20:44
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I can't believe we're having a wizard derail in this, the Hey Arnold thread.
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I always thought it was explicitly New York, if they mentioned Hillview I assumed that was their borough... drat
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has any of the extraneous bullshit in harry potter ever covered how people discover or create new spells? werent the weasley twins doing it at some point? do lovely wizards get recruited in to being spell test dummies for the big spell companies? please cast "Gigantus Erecticus" while making a jerkoff motion with your wand hand
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TheAardvark posted:has any of the extraneous bullshit in harry potter ever covered how people discover or create new spells? werent the weasley twins doing it at some point? Pretty sure they just go through a Latin dictionary while waving a wand around and seeing what happens
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Pretty sure they just go through a Latin dictionary while waving a wand around and seeing what happens i know i wouldn't rest until i had learned to cast space lasers spell
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SlothfulCobra posted:
It once got hot enough to help induce the youth to riot against a gouging ice cream salesman.
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Daikloktos posted:I always thought it was explicitly New York, if they mentioned Hillview I assumed that was their borough... drat  I always assumed it was NYC. My mind is blown that it's supposed to be psuedo-Portland/Seattle. 
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Jun 28, 2020 04:06
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[shrieking shack voice] please read another book
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ungulateman posted:[shrieking shack voice] please read another book Its a series. You can just read the 6 others
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paragon1 posted:It once got hot enough to help induce the youth to riot against a gouging ice cream salesman. I liked the episode where it was revealed he had an extremely lovely home life and childhood and Arnold teaches him how to actually provide a bare-minimum of customer service. Helga becomes a cop in that episode though which was not cool
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Helga's not cool for most of the show. She's a bully because that's how her father taught her to deal with the world. It's only rarely that something better shines through. Although we are constantly assailed with her inner monologue about how conflicted she is about what she's doing.
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Helga's family is interesting. They clearly aren't entirely negative, not to the point of active abuse anyway, but Bob is clearly thoughtless, domineering and thinks being an arrogant bully is the only way to make it in the world, while his wife is a checked-out alcoholic. Helga's treated as an afterthought most of the time. They seem to be a pretty clear case of boomer parents- they've got all the things they're supposed to; a profitable business, a comfortable lifestyle, a successful child, and don't spare a moment to think about why they're not happy. Helga's still just dealing with these contradictions, since no one's sparing a moment to take care of her, she just figures this is how it's supposed to be- but then Arnold comes along, and he's happy, he's positive and supportive of people around him.
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TheAardvark posted:has any of the extraneous bullshit in harry potter ever covered how people discover or create new spells? werent the weasley twins doing it at some point? Snape invented his "cut a motherfuckers" spell in wizard high school but I don't think the books talk about that process.
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I've just checked Craig Bartlett's social media accounts and can't find a single rant about how rights for trans people are a danger to women. Weird.
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Isn't Helga's mom an alcoholic? There's also the added joke that Bob's fortune is in beepers, which at the time, just seemed kinda stupid even when they had a valid purpose, but now are just entirely irrelevant. Lemniscate Blue posted:Snape invented his "cut a motherfuckers" spell in wizard high school but I don't think the books talk about that process. You have to be smart or clever or in some way good at magic to make your own spells, and we never hear about how it works because Harry kinda sucks at magic and just sticks to a few basic tricks he learned early on. Also: Zeether posted:There's a vinyl Hey Arnold soundtrack coming out and even though I don't own a record player I'd totally buy it just because it's been a long time coming.
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Helga's mom certainly drinks a lot of 'smoothies'. One of those things that is clearly meant to sneak past the censors but be obvious in hindsight. A lot of 90s cartoons did that. Beepers are apparently still a thing for medical workers and firefighters. Makes sense that Bob rode the wave when they first got useful, opinions vary on whether he'd be able to keep himself afloat once they become obsolete. (or at least no longer in active use) He is shown testing out other experimental technology, though it's mostly crap, he's at least trying.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Isn't Helga's mom an alcoholic? Yeah they pointed that out and made fun of that a lot in the Netflix movie. I didn't like it very much it got too generic movie plot when Hey Arnolds biggest strength has always been down-to-earth stories but the beeper jokes were great.
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Yeah, Helga's mom is constantly slurring and falling asleep. There are a lot of really dark looks into Helga's home life where neither of her parents really care that much about her.
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One of the sadly common dynamics for parental favouritism; when the older child is the status symbol and the younger ones are just there, likely accidents. They barely even bothered with a different name 'Helga' is derived from 'Olga'. (or maybe the other way around)
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Angepain posted:I've just checked Craig Bartlett's social media accounts and can't find a single rant about how rights for trans people are a danger to women. Weird. Hes been sending people digitally signed pics of Gerald with Black Lives Matter written on it if they donate to the Equal Justice Initiative. I think its sweet https://twitter.com/JW11NG/status/1277264409564450817?s=19 https://twitter.com/Azure129/status/1277230790619914243?s=19
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Snape invented his "cut a motherfuckers" spell in wizard high school but I don't think the books talk about that process. Didn't Hermione invent a compass spell in the fourth book?
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My headcanon is that to invent something new you have to have a strong affinity for magic and just try really hard and say something cool and reality eventually just gives up resisting and accepts it as how things now work. The bigger gently caress you to physics the harder it is to do. The words said are more or less just focal points for your will too which is why you can learn to just want it to work extra hard and not say the word. Edit: also now I gotta watch Hey Arnold! to keep up with the Harry Potter thread, tia
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https://twitter.com/nibellion/status/1277596002892079104?s=21 I like how Rowling being uninvolved is a bullet point
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