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Firewire was neat because you could connect two computers together with it. If you hacked together a USB cable that would let you do that, you'd end up connecting the two power supplies together.
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You could also do that with SCSI, although one computer had to boot into a special mode where it acted as an external hard drive, so it wasn't true networking.
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Jun 28, 2020 04:12
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Back when I was really stupid with money, I spent a lot of it and built myself a SCSI CD burner tower. 4 SCSI Plextor CD burners, connected by a cable to a SCSI card in my PC, with another SCSI drive in which I'd insert the original, and burn 4 copies at once. I think I did that twice. Still have the thing.
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Jun 28, 2020 04:25
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I used a Firewire cable to connect two computers to make a network once. One of them used a Creative soundcard since it didn't have it built in. Also still have an external enclosure that supports USB 2 and FW. I have it hooked up to a modded Wii and set to auto mount when it turns on (aka never). Firewire was good compared to USB 2 in that it handled small file transfers way better, but I wouldn't call it good overall especially now.
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Jun 28, 2020 06:50
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Last time I used firewire for anything, it was for transferring video stuff when I was in college
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Jun 28, 2020 07:19
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I still use firewire on my audio interface, had it for 10+ years and the pci adapter card has been in 3 different pc’s. Probably wont upgrade until it finally dies lol.
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Jun 28, 2020 07:40
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Speaking of connecting computers. I remember my first LAN-Party, we used the coaxial inputs because we thought it was better because you didn't need a stinking hub since you could just daisy chain the computers. I was so pissed when they removed those from network cards. I can understand the reasoning now but back then I didn't really understand it. 
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Jun 28, 2020 07:55
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At that time the most likely places to find an encyclopedia on CD and a computer with a CD drive were schools and libraries so it makes sense to have a system like that when so many people will handle the CDs.
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Jun 28, 2020 08:06
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Kamrat posted:Speaking of connecting computers. 
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Jun 28, 2020 08:59
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Kamrat posted:Speaking of connecting computers. There were a lot of advantages to 10base2, but you just couldn't get it to go any faster. That's why it ultimately died out, 100baseT equipment became just as cheap, wasn't limited to 30 devices per LAN, and was a hell of a lot faster.
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Jun 28, 2020 09:03
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I missed out on all that good poo poo, my mom couldn't afford to buy a computer  just my trusty SNES (that we could afford right after launch when I got hit by a car)
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Jun 28, 2020 09:04
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I played so much Doom, Quake, and Warcraft II with friends over 10base2 networks. Mostly because we could steal cables, tees, and terminators from out HS computer teacher's desk, but the 10baseT hubs were locked in the equipment closet.
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Jun 28, 2020 09:08
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Collateral Damage posted:One of the first LAN parties I was at had 50 something computers all connected on a single 10base2 network, without grounding. 50 computers on a single collision domain all trying to send game updates every frame must have been hell on the network, I wonder what percentage of the packets could have gotten through.
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Jun 28, 2020 09:51
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i had to buy a network card again for the first time in like 20 years for my new desktop pc, which i built mostly out of older parts, the motherboard didnt have built in wifi. the card i bought has a heatsink, which i think is kind of funny, i don't think it's in any danger of overheating
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Jun 28, 2020 10:15
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Shibawanko posted:i had to buy a network card again for the first time in like 20 years for my new desktop pc, which i built mostly out of older parts, the motherboard didnt have built in wifi. the card i bought has a heatsink, which i think is kind of funny, i don't think it's in any danger of overheating Depends on the environment. It's not like electronics these days are well designed or built.
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Jun 28, 2020 10:23
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Collateral Damage posted:One of the first LAN parties I was at had 50 something computers all connected on a single 10base2 network, without grounding. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, any issues with lag?
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Jun 28, 2020 10:26
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Shibawanko posted:the card i bought has a heatsink, which i think is kind of funny, i don't think it's in any danger of overheating
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Jun 28, 2020 10:29
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FilthyImp posted:My wifi 6 router has like a 4-core processor (probably for all the MIMO and triband poo poo) so you never know yeah possibly, i guess they do have a pretty large throughput nowadays, but i cant help but think it looks like a very short man who beefed up at the gym after reading PUA advice on the internet here's an old technology that i like: satellite TV. i guess this is still used in many places and i used it up to a few years ago when we finally got a fibreglass connection. everyone else i knew always had a coaxial cable in their house and they could never understand why i "didn't just get cable internet," like the idea that my house just physically didn't have a coaxial cable didn't really seem to be a real concept to them. the reason i liked it was that you could get all kinds of weird foreign channels on it, it had 999 channels on the decoder and id get things like iraqi state TV or the south korean national propaganda channel (arirang). id often just go to a random channel and watch a tv drama from morocco or russia or something and it was fun and felt more adventurous.
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Shibawanko posted:yeah possibly, i guess they do have a pretty large throughput nowadays, but i cant help but think it looks like a very short man who beefed up at the gym after reading PUA advice on the internet There's a display on your network card but it's not powered on 
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Cojawfee posted:Firewire was neat because you could connect two computers together with it. If you hacked together a USB cable that would let you do that, you'd end up connecting the two power supplies together. Yeah, this is how connecting two computers via USB was first explained to me by someone not very technical: "you can't just connect them directly together or else it'll blow up so I got this cable with a chip in it". A decade later I got such a cable for free and it turns out the chip makes the cable appear as a USB NIC to both PCs! I seem to recall reading that Firewire would look like a network when connecting PCs together too? If so I suppose this means that Firewire networking had simpler and hopefully cheaper cables, but wasn't necessarily more capable? I wanted my first external hard drive to be Firewire since it was faster, but they cost more. Konstantin posted:You could also do that with SCSI, although one computer had to boot into a special mode where it acted as an external hard drive, so it wasn't true networking. Nowadays you can do this under FreeBSD with the right combination of SCSI adapters, although in that case you're just sharing some non-boot drive that hopefully isn't currently in use by the OS, or maybe a partition or disk image. What is that and did you have to get hit by a car to get it? 
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Buttcoin purse posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwhB2D1YEc
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"moooooom, I want an SNES" "Not until you get hit by a car, Jeremy."
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The PS2 had a FireWire port. I think there was only one game that did anything with it, Gran Turismo 3 did lan games. The PS2 had the special Sony variant of FireWire, but all FireWire hubs use the non Sony variant. You would need cables with the different plugs on either end. Tony Hawk 3 also did some pre-network adapter online play, but with USB Ethernet adapters. I think it may have supported USB dial up modems, if those ever existed. Now I want to see what was released as a Japan exclusive. I assume FireWire karaoke or something that connects to a flip phone to do online banking. My Dad was working for a company that designed industrial controllers / servo drivers. They released a line of products that used FireWire as the internal network. It didn't take off, today it would be something like canbus in that application.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Tony Hawk 3 also did some pre-network adapter online play, but with USB Ethernet adapters. I think it may have supported USB dial up modems, if those ever existed. I don't know about back then but now in the space future you can buy a USB 56k modem from walmart https://www.walmart.com/ip/USR-56K-USB-Faxmodem/10073738 my favorite part is some guy complaining that you can't hook up to AOL with it, my second favorite part is it's nearly 70 dollars
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There's probably some niche home user application that still needs a modem, like faxing from your computer. That and Wal-Mart is likely still sitting on a pile of new old stock modems and doesn't want to just write them off. The day I yanked my modem to put a USB2 expansion card in was a good day, second only to the day I yanked my DVD burner and replaced it with a blanking plate.
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rndmnmbr posted:There's probably some niche home user application that still needs a modem, like faxing from your computer. That and Wal-Mart is likely still sitting on a pile of new old stock modems and doesn't want to just write them off. I got a new motherboard at some point and it only had sata ports, so I yanked out my DVD burner which was IDE. Then I put the blank plate back in and turned my computer around so the front faced the wall. Now I can easily access all the IO ports at a moment's notice.
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Back in 2007 I went out of my way to buy a motherboard that still had two IDE ports so I didn't have to replace my hard drives with SATA drives. Jokes on me, I replaced all three drives six months later with SATA drives, and the motherboard... well, "quirky" was an understatement.
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rndmnmbr posted:There's probably some niche home user application that still needs a modem, like faxing from your computer. That and Wal-Mart is likely still sitting on a pile of new old stock modems and doesn't want to just write them off. I absolutely believe that there are applications that still require a modem attached. But not for home use: something really important like the Hoover Dam, or the entire banking system.
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The gently caress am I going to do with a modem when it's literally impossible to get a landline.
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Cojawfee posted:I got a new motherboard at some point and it only had sata ports, so I yanked out my DVD burner which was IDE. Then I put the blank plate back in and turned my computer around so the front faced the wall. Now I can easily access all the IO ports at a moment's notice. I am trying so loving hard to come up with a reason why this is bad and I can't and I hate you for it and I'm mad I never thought of it and
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Rectus posted:50 computers on a single collision domain all trying to send game updates every frame must have been hell on the network, I wonder what percentage of the packets could have gotten through. I do remember getting a good shock from touching the metal shield on the cable though.
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30 devices on 10base2 was the practical limit before the network got so congested it failed.
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IP over SCSI doesn't seem that hard, in a way. The traditional SCSI bus has up to 8 stations (numbered 0-7), and there's not really anything keeping you from putting multiple HBAs on the bus. It's also a packet based standard, where any station can send a packet to any other station. It seems like you can put most adapters in target mode (where they listen for incoming packets), and at that point you've basically got an equivalent of the ethernet layer. Add in some form of ARP-equivalent ("which station has this IP"), and an encapsulation layer that can stuff an IP packet in a SCSI packet, and you're good to go. The hardest part in the 22 year old article I found seems to be that the Linux SCSI drivers didn't expect you to ever need to put the adapter in target mode, so you had to modify the drivers a bit before this would work. And speaking of collision domains - SCSI had exactly the same problem, though usually there was just one device initiating traffic. They went with a "higher ID gets priority" approach, which probably works fine. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 01:31 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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insta posted:I am trying so loving hard to come up with a reason why this is bad and I can't and I hate you for it and I'm mad I never thought of it and same
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insta posted:I am trying so loving hard to come up with a reason why this is bad and I can't and I hate you for it and I'm mad I never thought of it and reaching the power and reset buttons kinda sucks?
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insta posted:I am trying so loving hard to come up with a reason why this is bad and I can't and I hate you for it and I'm mad I never thought of it and Ugly (I know, apparently there's a screen built into the back of my case which I forgot to attach the power cable to) Fan(s) blowing at you The air being sucked in contains all the dust from the back of your desk where you don't clean properly Cables sticking out toward you instead of hidden away at the back, like a bunch of tentacles If you need to replace a hard drive they're now at the back, harder to reach Can't see the hard drive LED Hard to use Of course probably none of these are relevant to most people 
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Horace posted:I was like that a decade later, but with Firewire. Needlessly spent double on an external DVD burner just because it was the only one which used FireWire. Every peripheral had to be FireWire! USB is rubbish! It always cracks me up when people say "but this is .2 MS faster than the other version!" becuase unless you're doing massive data transfers or rendering for hours, no one needs that. I don't trust something without any external connection port. It just says someone figures you'll always have internet or at least network accent.
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Guy Axlerod posted:The PS2 had a FireWire port. I think there was only one game that did anything with it, Gran Turismo 3 did lan games. The PS2 had the special Sony variant of FireWire, but all FireWire hubs use the non Sony variant. You would need cables with the different plugs on either end. It wasn't really a special Sony variant, it's just 4-pin firewire 400 (no power pins), which sony decided to label ilink or something. You can also find it on contemporary DV camcorders (and presumably other things, but that's all I've got off the top of my head). Apparently there are a few other games that used it, but pretty much everything that came after used the various modem/ethernet adapters instead, because internet connectivity is the way of the future. The best thing about firewire was target disk mode on a macintosh. Being able to connect another computer as a hard disk sounds useless and dumb, but it's incredibly handy when you've accidentally deleted or overwrote a library or something important, and can just drag the necessary file over from another computer. Also quite welcome when setting up a new computer — I'm pretty sure these days you have to use wifi to migrate stuff over. Also, the 64-device daisy-chaining. That's kinda cool. If it wasn't so impractical, I'd kinda like to create some ridiculous monster chain of disk drives or something.
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