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Escobarbarian posted:This is extremely untrue about the D&D episode And again, we're still talking about priorities here. If our takeaway is "Racism is bad and should be removed unless its a very funny episode or key to the plot" that feels wrong. Escobarbarian posted:Every single post or tweet about this I’ve seen from a black person has been “stop distracting from the conversation about reforming police and the wider systemic issues prevalent in America with this weaksauce bullshit” so If anyone is using their energy on this instead of that and not capable of doing two things at once then that is indeed bad. But it actually doesn't seem like deleting these episodes took that much energy or capital and we'd just be talking about Perry Mason or something if not this. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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STAC Goat posted:If our takeaway is "Racism is bad and should be removed unless its a very funny episode or key to the plot" that feels wrong. We're disagreeing with this part, dude
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Jun 28, 2020 18:48
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Escobarbarian posted:This is extremely untrue about the D&D episode Not really, Neil is never more than a background character and "Pierce does something bad and the group wants to kick him out" is a plot point that gets reused in multiple episodes across seasons 1-3. I like that episode but Abed should have never let Pierce play without a character sheet, how can he steal Neil's sword in the first place if there's no dexterity stat to roll against? Plus he had outside knowledge of the module, that's about as close to cheating as you can get in DnD outside of loaded dice.
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Jun 28, 2020 18:50
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Arist posted:We're disagreeing with this part, dude I know, and I've yet to understand why. Is the fight against racism made harder or worsened by this action? If the argument is that doing this somehow keeps us from doing more I think that's purely a question of what we do next/also.
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Jun 28, 2020 18:51
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STAC Goat posted:I know, and I've yet to understand why. Is the fight against racism made harder or worsened by this action? Honestly I think it does a lot to convince people unaware of the real issues that the left really do just care about small fry bullshit like this instead of major societal issues. “oh antifa are idiots, they just want to change what we call bedrooms and censor tv”
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Jun 28, 2020 18:53
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My point is, I don't think we should make stories less accessible for containing problematic content, I think we should discuss why the content is problematic and work to prevent it from happening in the future. And yes, it does make that fight harder by turning attention away from legitimate issues.
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If streaming services removing some blackface jokes is distracting people from real issues, then those people have poo poo priorities already which is a bigger problem than whether or not a paid service wants to be associated with certain content.
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Jun 28, 2020 18:55
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If we all stop chanting "Defund the Police" and re-elect Trump because Tina Fey took down 4 episodes, then I agree, we hosed up badly and are some weak rear end performative assholes. But the right and those people who would dismiss one argument because "look what they care about" assume we can't do more than one thing at the same time. This one was actually so easy none of us even thought about it until it was already done.
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STAC Goat posted:But I'm less interesting in punishment than I am making it clear that casual blackface jokes aren't cool and not doing them again. If the argument can be made that deleting these beloved episodes of beloved sitcoms because they were casually racist will INCREASE casual racism or allow it to persist I'm all ears. I think the very fact that blackface virtually disappeared from public discourse for over half a century and then suddenly came back as if it were no longer a big deal is all the argument you need. History isn't just the things that happened in the before time long long ago, it's the living events that shape our lives here and now, good and bad. Pretending the bad, uncomfortable ones never happened, or happened in bizarre and unique circumstances to strange oldtimers and could never happen to we progressive moderners, is exactly how they keep happening. What happened in those episodes was absolutely gross and misguided at best, which is all the more reason to leave it available as a monument to its failure and a continuing plea for vigilance. The episodes should come with an unskippable content warning and disclaimer to that effect in whatever venue they're made available, but I think outright removing them is a grave, though very understandable, miscalculation. For what it's worth, I'm speaking as someone who's only seen maybe a dozen eps of 30 Rock (and none of the offending eps) and never watched Community. E: okay this thread moves fast, sorry if this is dragging the issue out even farther. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I like that episode but Abed should have never let Pierce play without a character sheet, how can he steal Neil's sword in the first place if there's no dexterity stat to roll against? Plus he had outside knowledge of the module, that's about as close to cheating as you can get in DnD outside of loaded dice. Broke: We should let people stream these episodes Woke: We should pull these episodes because they have blackface jokes Bespoke: We should pull these episodes to protect the integrity of D&D
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PostNouveau posted:Broke: We should let people stream these episodes kek
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McSpanky posted:I think the very fact that blackface virtually disappeared from public discourse for over half a century and then suddenly came back as if it were no longer a big deal is all the argument you need. History isn't just the things that happened in the before time long long ago, it's the living events that shape our lives here and now, good and bad. Pretending the bad, uncomfortable ones never happened, or happened in bizarre and unique circumstances to strange oldtimers and could never happen to we progressive moderners, is exactly how they keep happening. But I'm also just at a loss as to what leaving the episodes up does to stop this. Because to me at best it sends a mixed message that this isn't SO bad as if they had done something that really got them in trouble and removed.
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PostNouveau posted:Broke: We should let people stream these episodes They don't roll for initiative, there's no mention of THAC0, they dont even bring up positioning and character reach, and why is the DM rolling for the PCs? Throw it in the trash.
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At any rate, this derail has fully run its course imho. Nobody's mind has really been changed, so there's no point in continuing the debate when we've already gone in circles like four times. Everyone made their points and we should move on and leave the conversation to the folks who stand to be offended or not by the content in question. That said, if y'all really want to continue this conversation, I'm not against someone making a thead for it. Honestly, it's not unlikely we may see more content being removed from services in light of the 30 Rock and Community stuff, anyway. sidenote everyone is rad asf for being so civil on a topic that easily could have become a super hot mess. I was honestly expecting to see reports the longer this went on, but there haven't been any. 
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^saw this after I posted.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:They don't roll for initiative, there's no mention of THAC0, they dont even bring up positioning and character reach, and why is the DM rolling for the PCs? Throw it in the trash. Oh poo poo Abed is a hack fraud DM
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Community's first season is the best
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Milo and POTUS posted:Community's first season is the best tea
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The opening scene in Homecoming season 2 (where the main character lady gets picked up by a cop) is more unrealistic than anything that happened in season 1.
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Sleeveless posted:Season 2 of The Twilight Zone is so goddamned good and a huge improvement on season one, it absolutely nails the balance of science fiction and social commentary and a lot of them have happy or at least bittersweet endings. Most episodes being 30-40 minutes is such an improvement. Glad I'm not the only one who decided to watch it. I've only watched the first three episodes so far and thought the first two were just okay, better than the 1st season, but the 3rd one I really enjoyed.
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One thing that's going to be interesting with the episodes that are being removed / altered is to see if they get rid of them in the digital versions we "own". It's always been in the ToS that technically we're just licensing them, so they could modify/remove at any time. As of right now I still have the D&D Community episode showing in Vudu. Edit - Holy crap, maybe it's time to sell my Blu-Ray set $250 on eBay, and mine's still sealed. Medullah fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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Holy poo poo season 4 episode 11 of Person of Interest is so loving good. How does this show keep getting better?
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Yeah it makes me wonder why Westworld is so boring in comparison
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with sleeveless. Season two of The Twilight Zone is so far really loving good. You all should feel bad for making me post that. Sleeveless, in case you are reading this please do not misunderstand, I still would prefer if you would gently caress off and never comment here again.
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I should specify that I am only two episodes in but so far both episodes are better than the entirety of season one.
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Arist posted:"Erasure" is not a punishment! It's not even an apology! Erasure is just pretending we never had those issues in the first place and wiping your hands clean of any reason to actually make amends or be better! lol thanks for the statistical analysis using random black folk on the internet to bolster your opinion is kinda distasteful dude
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I trust those "random" black people a hell of a lot more than I trust anyone here, and I only brought it up because that reaction has been pretty loving ubiquitous from everywhere I've seen it. I haven't even gone looking for it, it's just that universal a reaction. This conversation was supposed to be over. Let it die.
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didn't see the post about ending it. but as someone whose black i wanted to put my two cents in. people should argue their case without saying someone whose black agrees with them, at least without citing them at least.
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hosed up if true
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Mu Zeta posted:Yeah it makes me wonder why Westworld is so boring in comparison Reminds me, as someone who thought WW season 1 was good but vastly overrated by many, and season 2 to be a disaster outside of a few episodes, how did season 3 turn out? Is it worth watching?
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Are they gonna remove the episode of Mad Men where Roger wears blackface
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I think I'm 20 scandals late for subtitle talk, but I just started watching the From Dusk til Dawn series on Netflix and the subtitles are perfect - [in Spanish/Native Language] dialogue translated to English. I don't know if it's a Netflix show and that's why they're set up properly, but I'd like it to be a standard. I hate when they put [Speaking Spanish] over the baked in translation.
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It's an El Rey network production.
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It's probably because it's a Robert Rodriguez property meant for his Hispanic American TV network. Netflix has plenty of shows that just don't translate stuff that was never originally subtitled when a show aired. e: sidenote is El Rey even still around bc I haven't heard much of anything about shows on it e2: sidenote 2 lucha underground owns
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Been watching Corporate. It sneaks up on you on how good it is. The cinematography was in your face with how good it was from the start (especially compared to most comedies ), but the kinda subdued semi realistic take on corporate ennui (versus something like Better Off Ted's absurdity) took a little while for me to get used to. The main characters don't go out of their way to be likeable or create the family based dynamics you see in every sitcom, even the ones based outside of the home. But its been a long time since I've related to something as hard as Season's 2 Concert episode, whose entire plot is the main character struggling to go to a late night concert on a weeknight. Lol that poo poo was hilarious and gently caress if it isn't what happens when you hit 30.
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nate fisher posted:Reminds me, as someone who thought WW season 1 was good but vastly overrated by many, and season 2 to be a disaster outside of a few episodes, how did season 3 turn out? Is it worth watching? I didn't hate Season 2 as much as most people, but I think S3 is better. Maybe the best season. It's a very different show though. I did find it funny that the initial talk around Westworld was "the first two seasons are just a prologue to the show Jonathan Nolan really wants to make," and now we're at that show, and it's just "Person of Interest 2."
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Not worth your human time. It's pretty and expensive, but it's poorly plotted nonsense. Half the scenes are trailers for future scenes -- as is the Bad Robot way -- and the rest is dramatically inert. It really doesn't have much to say, to be honest, so I'm not sure why it spends so much time trying. It'd be much better if it just embraced being pulp trash, rather than trying to obscure that. Also, side bar, I'm not sure why something being pretty and expensive is particularly notable. Quite a lot of TV is pretty and expensive, but at the end of the day I'd rather watch something cheap but dramatically compelling - like, loving Vagrant Queen of all things - than another season of Westworld.
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nate fisher posted:Reminds me, as someone who thought WW season 1 was good but vastly overrated by many, and season 2 to be a disaster outside of a few episodes, how did season 3 turn out? Is it worth watching? it’s bad op
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esperterra posted:e2: sidenote 2 lucha underground owns AEW has gotten me back into wrestling for the first time in over 15 years, and I keep hearing how great Lucha Underground was. All the episodes seem to be on the free Tubi streaming service (which also has the '80s G.I. Joe and Transformers cartoons as well as newer series), so they are definitely on my list.
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