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hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Sunswipe posted:

"It's not the government's job to take care of us." Then what's it for? I genuinely don't understand this attitude.

to keep the horse archers at bay

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

hawowanlawow posted:

to keep the horse archers at bay

smdh if you and your sons and retainers can't defend your own estate from a few cumans without help from big government

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

KennyMan666 posted:

Have a story about idiots, on social media. Don't miss out on this thread, folks, it's a ride.

https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277505330885386240

Hmmm, and now it's gone. Hoax?

I did get a 'This is too perfect to be true' vibe from it even as I was reading it.

StillFullyTerrible
Feb 16, 2020

you should have left Let's Play open for public view, Lowtax
Yeah it was fake

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Tiggum posted:

Some context might be helpful here. Who are these people and what is this about?

You don't really need context, some grown rear end VC man is giving schoolboy retorts and actively misreading what somebody is tweeting at them so he doesn't have to calm his lovely friend down.

Deptfordx posted:

Hmmm, and now it's gone. Hoax?

I did get a 'This is too perfect to be true' vibe from it even as I was reading it.

I got a screenshot of some of it a bit ago (the full-page capture extension I'm using garbled it a bit, gently caress Web 2.0):



Last few tweets before he deleted his account were attempts at countering claims that it was false, trying to explain why his profile pic is a stock photo, etc. All like tears in the rain.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418


This poo poo made me insanely anxious for some reason

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'



The red line is a literal reflection of the blue line around the 50% mark—data point for data point—what gives?

"makes me doubt the entire pic tbh"

Not even wrong. :)

The only way to generate such a close 1-to-1 correspondence in data sets that *we perceive as unconditionally complementary to each other*-- AKA a metaphysical bias-- is to take one profile, subtract it from 100% and plot the result.

If the authors had legitimately polled every state in question we would clearly see distinctive "noise" that distinguishes the plots.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool."-- R.P. Feynman

In other words, this plot implies a zero margin of error in the data gathering methodology.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Absurd Alhazred posted:

You don't really need context, some grown rear end VC man is giving schoolboy retorts and actively misreading what somebody is tweeting at them so he doesn't have to calm his lovely friend down.


I got a screenshot of some of it a bit ago (the full-page capture extension I'm using garbled it a bit, gently caress Web 2.0):



Last few tweets before he deleted his account were attempts at countering claims that it was false, trying to explain why his profile pic is a stock photo, etc. All like tears in the rain.

True or fake i need the rest of this, gently caress Twitter for running that dude off before he finished his story

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
This, on the other hand, is all too real:

https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1278683095223459840


Edit: LOL, he deleted it. But here's the "clarification" he made (which he also deleted)
https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1278683559184736256

Absurd Alhazred has a new favorite as of 16:40 on Jul 2, 2020

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



RFC2324 posted:

This poo poo made me insanely anxious for some reason

Me too. It seems to hit the uncanny valley for me.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Lottery of Babylon posted:



The red line is a literal reflection of the blue line around the 50% mark—data point for data point—what gives?

"makes me doubt the entire pic tbh"

Not even wrong. :)

The only way to generate such a close 1-to-1 correspondence in data sets that *we perceive as unconditionally complementary to each other*-- AKA a metaphysical bias-- is to take one profile, subtract it from 100% and plot the result.

If the authors had legitimately polled every state in question we would clearly see distinctive "noise" that distinguishes the plots.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool."-- R.P. Feynman

In other words, this plot implies a zero margin of error in the data gathering methodology.

It's bad form to just say "source your quotes", so I'll expand on that a bit and say that this little analysis makes no sense whatsoever and I do hope you're quoting an idiot on social media here.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Absurd Alhazred posted:

This, on the other hand, is all too real:

https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1278683095223459840


Edit: LOL, he deleted it. But here's the "clarification" he made (which he also deleted)
https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1278683559184736256


If I haven't heard the argument, it's new and reactionary!

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Adam Ruins Everything did an episode on it 3 years ago, so it's not just something getting caught in this most recent wave.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Powered Descent posted:

It's bad form to just say "source your quotes", so I'll expand on that a bit and say that this little analysis makes no sense whatsoever and I do hope you're quoting an idiot on social media here.

Nope.

Error bars are not the only way to qualify or quantify error margins. Their inclusion or omission counts for nothing on their own beyond inducing a metaphysical urge on the reader’s part.

The conclusion in question is evident from the data as plotted.

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

Powered Descent posted:

It's bad form to just say "source your quotes", so I'll expand on that a bit and say that this little analysis makes no sense whatsoever and I do hope you're quoting an idiot on social media here.

That is the gimmick, yes.

Nevertheless the text makes me so angry. "The only way to get this is to take one set of data and subtract it from 100%." Yes! Correct! You have successfully read the graph! Now engage with its content!

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Metaphysics.

This is a question of data gathering methodology, its limitations, and its implications for presenting said data.

Notions such as “consistency” and “smoothness” need not apply.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



Lottery of Babylon posted:

Nope.

Error bars are not the only way to qualify or quantify error margins. Their inclusion or omission counts for nothing on their own beyond inducing a metaphysical urge on the reader’s part.

The conclusion in question is evident from the data as plotted.

😍😍🥰🥰🥰❤️💦💦💦💦💦💦💦

Guilty
May 3, 2003
Ask me about how people having a bad reaction to MSG makes them racist, because I've never heard of gluten sensitivity
Holy poo poo here's a hot take:

https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1278636923330928642?s=19

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
Peep the comments

https://twitter.com/DayssiOK/status/1278687803627503617?s=19

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

https://twitter.com/casey_bees/status/1278727428202876928
https://twitter.com/StanDAlone2016/status/1278731691595460608


:stare:

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

BLM-ally Ramirez really hit out of the park with this one, though it maybe too much of a thinker for the wider audience.

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012





This is pretty fitting, because Adam wasn't really at fault for being a monster. But people treated him as an abomination and outcast and was forced to become a monster.

If they had a system in place that accepted and treated Adam equally, he would have been a fine dude.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

drat, I want that shirt.

Gloomy Rube
Mar 4, 2008



Who wouldn't pick Herman Munster here? He is a really nice guy!

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


Dewgy posted:

drat, I want that shirt.

We really need a "Ramirez collection " of apparel. Shirts and jackets that say things like Crime, Debt, Liberals, Gun Control, and other conservative boogey man words.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Almost fell for LoB, then someone else did. Feels good man.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005





I mean they both murder people but at least Frankenstein feels bad about it.

https://twitter.com/goodreads/status/795777964394872838?s=20

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Lottery of Babylon posted:



The red line is a literal reflection of the blue line around the 50% mark—data point for data point—what gives?

"makes me doubt the entire pic tbh"

Not even wrong. :)

The only way to generate such a close 1-to-1 correspondence in data sets that *we perceive as unconditionally complementary to each other*-- AKA a metaphysical bias-- is to take one profile, subtract it from 100% and plot the result.

If the authors had legitimately polled every state in question we would clearly see distinctive "noise" that distinguishes the plots.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool."-- R.P. Feynman

In other words, this plot implies a zero margin of error in the data gathering methodology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P85BAMEy0e8&t=21s

Waterbed Wendy
Jan 29, 2009

POLICE BAD! FRANKENCRIME ANGRY! FRANKENCRIME SMASH!

The Hulk was a Frankenstein boy right? I never saw the movie.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Necrothatcher posted:

I mean they both murder people but at least Frankenstein feels bad about it.

https://twitter.com/goodreads/status/795777964394872838?s=20

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'


With all due respect, this entire comment thread makes a case for why Western culture needs to promote alternatives to Aristotelian binary logic when it comes to making any inferences on the basis of incomplete information.

This is one of the best and most accessible books on the relationship between logical inference and statistical inference, for anyone interested.

https://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/prob/book.pdf

Why might a drop in proportion of new cases in states under one party’s leadership NOT NECESSARILY mean that there is a simultaneously *corresponding* rise in proportion elsewhere?

(Think about all of the things represented in the plotted data, ranging from test accuracy to test precision to researcher sampling policies and so on.)

This exercise is left to the reader.

Grraarrgghh
Feb 12, 2012

"Bernard, float over here so I can punch you."


Lottery of Babylon posted:



The red line is a literal reflection of the blue line around the 50% mark—data point for data point—what gives?

"makes me doubt the entire pic tbh"

Not even wrong. :)

The only way to generate such a close 1-to-1 correspondence in data sets that *we perceive as unconditionally complementary to each other*-- AKA a metaphysical bias-- is to take one profile, subtract it from 100% and plot the result.

If the authors had legitimately polled every state in question we would clearly see distinctive "noise" that distinguishes the plots.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool."-- R.P. Feynman

In other words, this plot implies a zero margin of error in the data gathering methodology.

Aaaah yeah this is the good stuff.

Content:

Grimdude
Sep 25, 2006

It was a shame how he carried on

Sunswipe posted:

"It's not the government's job to take care of us." Then what's it for? I genuinely don't understand this attitude.

I'm not sure how to judge people like this because it seems like two possible reasons:

1. They literally don't like the idea of a government that provides for its people. They think a Star Trek type universe where most menial labor doesn't have to be done for poverty wages is in fact a bad thing. I attribute part of this to the mentality that causes people to prioritize "making a lot more than my neighbor" over "everyone making a little more." They unironically believe survival of the fittest is a good model for society.
2. They actually would like a good, providing government. They're just too entrenched in identity politics/being dipshits to ever admit it.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Grimdude posted:

I'm not sure how to judge people like this because it seems like two possible reasons:

1. They literally don't like the idea of a government that provides for its people. They think a Star Trek type universe where most menial labor doesn't have to be done for poverty wages is in fact a bad thing. I attribute part of this to the mentality that causes people to prioritize "making a lot more than my neighbor" over "everyone making a little more." They unironically believe survival of the fittest is a good model for society.
2. They actually would like a good, providing government. They're just too entrenched in identity politics/being dipshits to ever admit it.

3. They want a government that provides, as long as it provides to the right people (them).

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

So:

https://twitter.com/Anettelarner/status/1278647170254635008

The whole original story can also be read at: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277505330885386240.html

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

That can't loving be real.

Grimdude
Sep 25, 2006

It was a shame how he carried on
About 60 seconds of research determined this video caption was inaccurate but don't let that stop you from slam posting it because it involves denigrating black people!



That's my mom talking about running over protesters. I went ahead and reported it.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Why might a drop in proportion of new cases in states under one party’s leadership NOT NECESSARILY mean that there is a simultaneously *corresponding* rise in proportion elsewhere?

It's looking at the daily case count. And graphing what percent of those cases were in red states vs. blue states, as determined by the party of the state's governor. Since all the states fall into one of those two categories, then :actually:, a drop in one DOES necessarily mean a rise in the other.

You're arguing that a graph that's barely more complex than Skittels Amount doesn't have enough shades of nuance to draw conclusions that it's not actually claiming to draw.

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Nastyman
Jul 11, 2007

There they sit
at the foot of the mountain
Taking hits
of the sacred smoke
Fire rips at their lungs
Holy mountain take us away

One is a cold blooded murderer that lusts for blood and the other is a tragic fictional character that teaches us about how we treat others (Wearing a CRIME shirt).
Gee Ramirez you make it so difficult sometimes.

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