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E-Tank posted:Honestly the reason I dropped from playing is because I think the out of raid healing is the dumbest possible thing ever. They added a button to the post raid screen that just heals you instantly
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You guys complaining about market barons are missing the forest for the trees. Market Barons were a problem, but weren't really the problem. The problem is that buying gear from vendors is gated via the quest system and the quest system sucks. The flea market allowed you to circumvent it and get gear, at a premium, on the flea market. This was a good and cool thing. I could go to any map I wanted without having to worry about whether or not I was making progress on collecting obscure poo poo for a glorified wall of text with a picture so I can unlock foregrips and better ammo. None of this matters anyways, I'm not playing this game again until the quest system is better or they take the chains off the flea market. I've dumped hundreds of hours into this game and done the quest chains 4ish times now. Just not interested in the same lovely loop. I might play for a bit just to see if Streets of Tarkov meets any of the hype, but I'm not holding my breath.
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ShowTime posted:But only like 10% of the playerbase plays like that. Either way I’ll let the extremely generous “realistic military sim” concept stand. But the devs also created a player-run market system, and rather than encourage or even manage emergent forms of play that have come about through that system the devs make increasingly ham-handed attempts to suffocate it. It’s confusing to me, because more diverse forms of play = more players = more playerbase stability = more money to maintain, update, and grow your game but BSG doesn’t seem to understand or care about any of that. And what’s *really* confusing is when people who don’t even play the loving game come in to say stupid poo poo about how “well that’s not what Nikita intended ok??” like it’s supposed to excuse bad design.
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E-Tank posted:Honestly the reason I dropped from playing is because I think the out of raid healing is the dumbest possible thing ever. Not a particularly valid argument considering you can pay to heal directly from therapist for cheap
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Jul 1, 2020 23:38
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Ice Fist posted:The problem is that buying gear from vendors is gated via the quest system and the quest system sucks. This... the quest system is just actively lovely. The "go to this place/mark this thing" are fine, but all the other quests are just tedious bullshit.
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Jul 2, 2020 01:17
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Jaeger needs to gently caress off with his dumb gimmicks. The Punisher series is annoying enough but managable.
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Other than getting rid of the gimmicky Jaeger type quests, while I also am not a fan of the current system, I struggle to think of meaningful quests that would work well with the game mechanics. Other then retrieval and marker type quests, what else could they even really have that would work in a raid? I see this as a common complaint but questing in MMOs I feel have always sucked and filled with retrieval and farming items. ETS doesn't seem all that different from other MMOs but then again my most recent MMO experience was WoW in the late 2000s.
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anyone complaining about this game after 2 wipes is embarrassing themselves and should learn to love this janky russian game in all its vodka soaked glory. this thread should be clips of funny in game stuff, fun loadouts, tips, other goofy poo poo because most of us have played 5+ wipes that have come with a million changes and will most likely be playing the next 5 wipes. like why the gently caress is anyone bothering with a hideout and quests these days lol just grab a fuckin mosin and play
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How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope?
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Gabriel S. posted:How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope? what are you trying to switch it to
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I feel like I'm the only one who likes the recent FIR market changes. I like that after I killed a really geared PMC or raider, that I actually end up using his kit instead of just selling it right away and finding the best min/max loadout to buy instead. For example, I got a FLIR during the last twitch drops, and if I could actually sell it there's no way in hell that I would ever use it. But, because its not FIR, and I would only net small amounts of money selling it to traders, I''m actually going to go into a night time woods raid instead of constantly having gear fear and running only budget loadouts. Yeah, I could've done this before, but I wouldn't have, so sometimes its good for the game to force you to play differently. People complaining that this disincentivizes PVP have been watching too many streamers and playing too much CoD. This game is supposed to be a sneaky, ratty type survival horror game, not sprinting full speed with meta M4, slicks and altyns and doing parkour off every angle, then ADAD strafing the poo poo out of someone. Yeah its unfortunate that the gunplay in ETS is literally the best out of any milsimish FPS out there if you were looking for a good PVP game, I feel its perfectly fair for the devs to start modifying the game itself so that it stays in line with whatever they're going for here. The most boring time I ever had playing ETS was during the pre-wipe event where I just kept running with all the best gear I could buy, but the game lost all of its risk/reward and meta-gambling system and became actually really boring. I didn't even end up playing each day on the pre-wipe, just a few hours. Post-wipe the first week or so was the most fun I ever had. Also, I feel very little temptation now to do hatchet runs, even though I despise the concept of it last wipe, I ended up biting the bullet and doing them just to make money. I hated that, and I'm glad the game is forcing me to actually play it instead of min/max meta bullshit. The most boring time I I can't wait for the game to add in dynamic loot so that people aren't just sprinting and farming the same spots over and over. I would also love some sort of dynamic extract system where it changes to like random spots on the map or something so then people can't exfil camp and it changes the way each raid works instead of people memorizing every single angle and point on the map. Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Playing through my first fresh wipe was an interesting experience 'cause most of the quests are really not that painful when almost everyone's in level 3, max level 4 armor and you can use 7.62 PS the whole time. It feels like they did little to no balancing for power creep due to level 5/6 armor and top tier ammo, and starting kill/dress-up quests mid-wipe really shows it.Oysters Autobio posted:I can't wait for the game to add in dynamic loot so that people aren't just sprinting and farming the same spots over and over. I would also love some sort of dynamic extract system where it changes to like random spots on the map or something so then people can't exfil camp and it changes the way each raid works instead of people memorizing every single angle and point on the map. idiotsavant fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jul 2, 2020 |
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Gabriel S. posted:How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope? Did you buy a delta point and put it in the slot on top?
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NJersey posted:like why the gently caress is anyone bothering with a hideout and quests these days lol just grab a fuckin mosin and play Been there. Done that. Got old after doing it for two wipes.
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idiotsavant posted:dynamic exit points would actually give you even more reason to memorize every single angle and point on the map just fyi. The single most important thing that wins fights in this game is asymmetrical info, and knowing the maps you play inside and out is one of the basic elements of that. Nah man thats my point, even though I agree in the current state you're right, I don't like that memorizing the map is what determines firefights instead of good tactical movement and other more realistic behaviour instead of sprinting across an open field because you know the map so well you know it's safe. Obviously this can't be fixed unless we were in some open MMO type map where everything was one big connected map (lmao love reading the subreddit where people still parrot that this is ever going to happen for ETS), but would love it if more aspects were randomized on the map so that asymmetric info wasn't as big of an advantage, rather that good tactical movement through cover and concealment should be the advantage. Again, pipe dream since this will never change but I think dynamic exit points would actually help still because you would have to move through the map in different ways instead of just predicting "oh, this is a high traffic area" and "oh, this is a low traffic area".
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Moonshine Rhyme posted:Not a particularly valid argument considering you can pay to heal directly from therapist for cheap Well poo poo, that changes everything. I might hop back on then. Sorry for being behind the times.
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New update from BSG: -upped global loot spawn chances by 30% -Upped skill progression by 20% -Lowered flea market fees -rebalanced trader buying prices and types of purchased items Very glad to hear about the skill progression change. gently caress getting Strength to LVL 2.
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Gabriel S. posted:How come I am completely unable to get the "switch scopes" function to work with the HAMR Scope? If you hold to aim you have to change the key binding.
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fknlo posted:If you hold to aim you have to change the key binding. Gonna piggy back off this and say, please go through the menu and try out all of the key binds in different circumstances. I was trying to switch scopes while aiming, but because of the way my binds were set up it did not allow me to and that hosed me over several times before I realized what was happening.
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Mesadoram posted:Gonna piggy back off this and say, please go through the menu and try out all of the key binds in different circumstances. I was trying to switch scopes while aiming, but because of the way my binds were set up it did not allow me to and that hosed me over several times before I realized what was happening. Yeah one thing that's been very helpful to me is just going into an offline raid to gently caress around with key binds. There's so many functions in this game that aren't in other FPSes and they're generally not bound to obvious or convenient keys. Like just checking your mag is on some stupid inconvenient bind of alt + R or something, even though it's an incredibly basic thing you'll want to do all the time. I just put it on "hold R" and that made way more sense to me.
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Oysters Autobio posted:People complaining that this disincentivizes PVP have been watching too many streamers and playing too much CoD. The people saying that are basing it off playing the game. I've seen quite a lot of people say that as soon as they find some piece of gear or loot they need for a quest they immediately go into hide mode and want to exit. I've experienced it in several group raids too. A couple people get a quest item and we cut out to reset because no one wants to engage in a firefight and risk losing it. In a 5 man group the two people with items are going to hide in the back to lower their risk so its basically a 3 man running an escort mission. Repeat ad nauseum. Now with all the flea market and vendor changes people are heavily saying they're not going into raids geared because there's only high risk for little reward. They give out a million rubles then cripple the bitcoin farm. Always one awkward step forward two back
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Ice Fist posted:Been there. Done that. Got old after doing it for two wipes. That's my whole point of the people doing nothing but complaining in this thread...it got old after the first two wipes.
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Would it be fair if players spawned in as raider SCAVs?
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ChesterJT posted:The people saying that are basing it off playing the game. I've seen quite a lot of people say that as soon as they find some piece of gear or loot they need for a quest they immediately go into hide mode and want to exit. I've experienced it in several group raids too. A couple people get a quest item and we cut out to reset because no one wants to engage in a firefight and risk losing it. In a 5 man group the two people with items are going to hide in the back to lower their risk so its basically a 3 man running an escort mission. Repeat ad nauseum. So what if people decide to extract when they got what they needed? Like I get the appeal of a 5 man just going into a map to PVP and try to clear it out, but that's not the spirit of the game at all, that's just CoD. The game is supposed to be a brutal survival horror where dying is easy and you find that lab key card or other rare item and are sweating bullets trying to get out alive clutching your lovely AK. The devs have said lots that they intend to slow people down in making many so that early post wipe gameplay is stretched out. Just because some streamers meta'd the poo poo out of a poorly developed game doesn't mean everyone should be playing this game decked out and looking for those sick 360 no scope headshots.
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Gabriel S. posted:Would it be fair if players spawned in as raider SCAVs? This would give people far too much incentive to just extract out ASAP.
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Some of the most recent posts have been complaining about how lovely the quest system is. Buckle up, it's intended to get a lot worse. Do you hate the Mosin questline from Jager? According to what Klean was saying in his stream today, the intent is to do such a quest series for EVERY weapon type. DVL, SVD, FAL, ASH-12, each of the various AK families... He wasn't sure if pistols and shotties were also going to go that way, but what the hell, if it makes the game even more tedious to get that Kappa container then don't be shocked if it happens.  Nikita's probably hoping folks will upgrade their accounts to get the Gamma instead of doing the grind, but I don't think it's too wild a guess that the majority of players will either do without or tell his Nikitaness to go have carnal relations with a rusty wood chipper. 
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Triple A posted:This would give people far too much incentive to just extract out ASAP. Make it so you can only extract as a raider if you get a PMC frag. Would be fun but BSG world never do it because they hate fun and easy loot
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Doodles posted:Some of the most recent posts have been complaining about how lovely the quest system is. Honestly call me weird but I think this is fine. A big part of the reason I hated the mosin quests was it was just the mosin, no goddamn variety. Just keep the beta container where it is, make the gamma or epsilon or whatever the hell it is that comes when you beat punisher still available, it's fine tbh
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Honestly, I really want to know what else could they actually do with questing that isn't the current shoot people with X gun, retrieval, drop-off or kill X things? It all seems like standard MMO fare, and like with most MMOs the questing isn't the main thing, raids and looting are the main thing. I know in the past the devs said that the current quests are intended to be the 'side quests' when the 'release' comes out (lol like there's ever going to be an official release) but I still can't picture really in the current spawn-in, 45mn timer, loot, PVP and extract system how any other type of quests can really exist. I'm not being facetious here I honestly can't picture what their idea of 'main quests' would be? Maybe that's back during their 'oh the full release is going to be open world and you'll have to visit the traders in raid' phase. Yeah the gun-use quests are gimmicky but otherwise people just wouldn't use some of the guns so it's not a terrible way to introduce people to variety (maybe though make it a seperate quest line so it doesn't bottleneck others, like most of Mechanics gun smith)
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how the hell was this game ever going to be open world lmao
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Scavenge materials and serve Killa 3 alcoholic beverages from the bullet proof bar before extracting Jaeger's poo poo pits need cleaning, find and service four of his Woods poop holes so the Scavs can do their business. Must have broken legs (1/4) Cook meth in Labs while your contact talks you through it over the intercom, while Raiders try and steal your finished product
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Lucca Blight posted:Jaeger's poo poo pits need cleaning, find and service four of his Woods poop holes so the Scavs can do their business. Must have broken legs (1/4) poo poo. Lucca Blight posted:Cook meth in Labs while your contact talks you through it over the intercom, while Raiders try and steal your finished product Derivative. Lucca Blight posted:Scavenge materials and serve Killa 3 alcoholic beverages from the bullet proof bar before extracting That I love, I absolutely love.
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Umbreon posted:When the inventory is coincidentally filled with nothing but rare loot that no single player has any business having that much of in a single match, I'm going to say yes that's RMT. I'm talking dozens and dozens of things like Dr lupo's or 1GPhones and nothing else, all found in that raid (because it wouldn't have the tag if they brought it in with them). you have such a poor understanding of the game, nothing you've said implies RMT any way, it can easily be explained by a hacker searching for those items in raid, but doesn't imply RMT whatsoever. it's incredibly hard to find dozens of the same items in raid in a single raid and then shuffle them to someone else, why not just drop a docs case with 16 BTC in it and then have them just sell it to therapist? also, there are still items on the flea you can buy/sell with minimal taxes and are relatively easy to get (craftable in hideout from bought items, etc)
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It doesn’t actually matter what you’re doing in quests, what matters is that they promote players to encounter each other on the maps. The various quests that have you pick up doodads and check out rooms in dorms and interchange are good for that, but they need quests like that for all the maps and they need to focus on more areas of each map. The problem with jaeger quests is that they are tedious, unfun and don’t prompt player interaction AND they gatekeep other important content. They can fill the game with try hard bullshit quests all they want, as long as I’m not required to do them to progress through the game.
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like, people aren't going around shuffling FiR items to each other to transfer money, that's delusion
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Oysters Autobio posted:Like I get the appeal of a 5 man just going into a map to PVP and try to clear it out, but that's not the spirit of the game at all, that's just CoD. So what's the right way to play the game then? Apparently it's wrong to both go in heavy with a squad and go in with just a pistol to grab loot and escape. Where exactly is this mythical middle ground that's considered "OK" by your standards? I've always been against people trying to tell people how to play their game or what's the "right way" or the "spirit of the game". That's all garbage nonsense. I like having the freedom of running in naked to grab poo poo if I want, to go in with a thick 5-man if I want, try to make money on the flea market if I want. I want options, not to be pigeon-holed into some bullshit that would be boring after a couple raids.
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ChesterJT posted:So what's the right way to play the game then? Apparently it's wrong to both go in heavy with a squad and go in with just a pistol to grab loot and escape. Where exactly is this mythical middle ground that's considered "OK" by your standards? Yeah because there are absolutely no options between Chad tank and pistol running. Seriously? Sure, you can be against telling people how to play their game, or against me telling people how to play, it's a free country. But the devs absolutely have every right to set the game's parameters to influence the playstyle and atmosphere they want for the game. And in this case, the devs have been outspoken about how they feel it's too easy to make money and progress to the point of always being a tanked out chad instead of that being a late game luxury. They don't want you to have options of sprinting around tanking every bullet in every raid because it ruins the game for others when it's that prevalent. I would argue that they've really achieved it with these changes. The subreddits are complaining how it's no longer cost effective to run expensive gear since you can't strip PMCs gear and sell it on flea. So instead, people are playing lower class gear to make it match the risk, resulting in less big chads. Oysters Autobio fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jul 3, 2020 |
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I'm carefully sneaking around factory with the cheapest pistol or shotgun on Factory. Over half the time I just take out a few scavs, run of with a bit of loot in the first five minutes. I've had a ton of luck messing around Reserve with just a rifle and sniping popular locations.
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drat you nikita, you've ruined my scheme to fill backpacks with very expensive FIR items, guess I'll stop hacking and RMTing in a hilariously ineffective way
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