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Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
HBox is hated as hell for Melee
But a total hero in Ultimate

Its comedy for melee since Puff's entire thing is literally fulfilling an april fools joke.

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Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

I don't think Hbox is all that hated these days. A few people gripe about a Puff player being #1 but I think most people would vastly prefer that to a wobbling Ice Climber, which would be a far greater existential crisis for melee as a spectator sport. Puff's matchups vs the other top tiers are fairly dynamic and fun, and while Puff dittos are miserable, thankfully there are no other Puffs within two leagues of the top.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
yeah, me calling him a heel wasn't on accident - he became the fun bad guy that its fun to root for (again, barring any of this current stuff)

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
Hes a great heel because he plays it up and kind of empowered by it, while at the same time do the thing that people hate about it (Camp with Puff).
So long it doesnt go far like the dead crab.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
According to his video he has admitted to

- Cheating in a relationship
- Flirting when it wasn't wanted

Which is not good, but compared to all the other stuff taking down pro players it seems almost quaint.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Fojar38 posted:

According to his video he has admitted to

- Cheating in a relationship
- Flirting when it wasn't wanted

Which is not good, but compared to all the other stuff taking down pro players it seems almost quaint.

Yes, which is why everyone's waiting for the survivor's statement to understand more.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

Ask me about Genocide
Everything I know about Hbox comes from this youtube documentary on the guy. The most compelling part to me is where one of the melee pros, I think Leffen, argued that there would come a point where Melee would be destroyed because everyone would play Jigglypuff and it would become unwatchable, but in reality it's still just Hbox doing it against leagues of spacies and marths.

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

Peoples' desire to have fun playing the game they invested lots of time in has prevented hordes of Puffs from emerging. She has wonky risk/reward but most people want to do sick combos and move around fast instead of camping all day.

If they wanted to camp there's more money in Ultimate anyway :v:

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Bodyholes posted:

I don't think Hbox is all that hated these days. A few people gripe about a Puff player being #1 but I think most people would vastly prefer that to a wobbling Ice Climber, which would be a far greater existential crisis for melee as a spectator sport. Puff's matchups vs the other top tiers are fairly dynamic and fun, and while Puff dittos are miserable, thankfully there are no other Puffs within two leagues of the top.

I always laugh when people say wobbling kills melee for spectators because this is the most entertaining spectator fighting game ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6Ar61dkso

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
At least it wasn't a live crab!

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

Smoking Crow posted:

I always laugh when people say wobbling kills melee for spectators because this is the most entertaining spectator fighting game ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6Ar61dkso

i mean tbf at least every character in that game does that. itd probably be a lot less fun if only one character in that game could infinite everyone

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

wobbling is badass though for the record

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


sharrrk posted:

i mean tbf at least every character in that game does that. itd probably be a lot less fun if only one character in that game could infinite everyone

but would it be more fun than a space animal stomping on your face forever?

this is a philosophical question many have sought to answer but which none have resolved

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


Bodyholes posted:

Peoples' desire to have fun playing the game they invested lots of time in has prevented hordes of Puffs from emerging. She has wonky risk/reward but most people want to do sick combos and move around fast instead of camping all day.

If they wanted to camp there's more money in Ultimate anyway :v:

Camping and offsetting risk onto the other player is the most successful strategy in almost every competitive game, let's not play make believe here.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Salem made a statement

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sraehc

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

A lot of melee players crawl up their own rear end about how fast paced their game is and obsess over spacies and a few others.

Hbox doesn't play those characters. Instead he plays Jigglypuff who is very slow and consists of camping, running away, and back air. The community loving hates him because he wants to play puff and nothing else really so they try to ban him to keep him from playing her. They try to ban the character itself. They want it gone so it can just be spacies and marth forever (sometimes starring Sheik/Peach)

This is not accurate either factually or philosophically, and quite frankly, I'm not going to get into it because after all...

Fojar38 posted:

Trolling melee fans is doing the Lord's work IMO

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?
... oh boy no more boring Zero matches in grand's!

Dr. Cool Aids
Jul 6, 2009
There wouldnt have been anyway given how long he's stopped competing

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

This is not accurate either factually or philosophically, and quite frankly, I'm not going to get into it because after all...

I've literally seen cries to ban Jigglypuff for not being hype enough all over the internet for the past few years. And for every time I hear 'saying spacies is just a meme' the same people go 'oh yeah I play Luigi! ...but mostly Falco or Fox'

I'm just calling em as I see em :shrug:

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

more like super smash bros ranged

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

At least it wasn't a live crab!

A fan of us gave him a stuffed crab one time which was pretty funny. I can't find the tweet now but it's just this cute little stuffed crab with a :> face if I remember correctly

Evil Eagle
Nov 5, 2009

Smoking Crow posted:

I always laugh when people say wobbling kills melee for spectators because this is the most entertaining spectator fighting game ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6Ar61dkso

Wobbling is just holding down and mashing A, it doesn't even compare to these infinites

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I think the strangest side effect I'm realizing is that when the next character gets announced my youtube won't be flooded with reactions about them from zero or nairo or whatever.

Just kind of a 'huh' thing

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



I entered this topic wondering if there’s any good newbie guides for a nephew to get into smash ultimate competitively outside of online play.

Now I feel it was a wrong choice on steering him away from MOBAs / dota 2 thinking mobas were toxic (they are)

Dr. Cool Aids
Jul 6, 2009
In a pre-Covid, pre-massive uncovering of abuse world, the advice would've been to attend locals

How good is your nephew, do you know? Are they good but want to get more serious or still learning the game?

END CHEMTRAILS NOW
Apr 16, 2005

Pillbug

Rabid Snake posted:

I entered this topic wondering if there’s any good newbie guides for a nephew to get into smash ultimate competitively outside of online play.

Now I feel it was a wrong choice on steering him away from MOBAs / dota 2 thinking mobas were toxic (they are)
Now abusers are being brought to light and removed from the community, and tournament organizers are making changes to protect younger players. Things are going to be a lot safer in the community now than they were just a short time ago.

Here's a video that goes over a lot of terminology and demonstrates a lot of different concepts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMdh6g8Dj98

JesustheDarkLord
May 22, 2006

#VolsDeep
Lipstick Apathy
I just want to say that I have mained Jigglypuff since 2005

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



DoctorWhat posted:

Well here's HBOX's statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYNZJDt5mvc

he sounds like H. Box Benjamin

I feel like the stuff Hbox talks about in this video is not really the business of online nerds. It doesn't sound like he ever took advantage of or manipulated anyone. He cops to things he considers to be personal failings/insecurities and his mistakes in past relationships that he appears quite genuinely upset and ashamed to recall.

This video is a really strange watch. Maybe there's stuff we don't know imo this video is a real bummer and seems pretty personal and not relevent to the community-wide situation.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Sudden Javelin posted:

There wouldnt have been anyway given how long he's stopped competing
He discovered that full-time streaming is both less stressful and better paying than being a full-time Pro Player. And unlike competitive play, it’s hard to screw up streaming. You’d have to do something crazy like sex cr-

Oh.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


Rabid Snake posted:

I entered this topic wondering if there’s any good newbie guides for a nephew to get into smash ultimate competitively outside of online play.

Now I feel it was a wrong choice on steering him away from MOBAs / dota 2 thinking mobas were toxic (they are)

Not only are they toxic but a bunch of stuff has been brought up this year about pros in those areas also being garbage. It's kind of been an extended garbage people show from all sides of video games year long at this point, just bubbling in the background.

I'd still recommend letting your newphew play what he likes, and just teach him good safety/muting/reporting for mobas if he likes them. They're only as toxic as you let them be a lot of the time.

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

YoshiOfYellow posted:

Pac-Man is some of the wildest galaxy brain bullshit and I love it.

pac man is easily one of the most fun and accessible characters and I don't know why nobody plays as him!!

You can do some galaxy brain bullshit with the bell and fire hydrant, but he has lots of really simple and effective attacks as well. The key is an extremely strong and simple projectile, like Samus's beam except better... His smashes are really strong and have surprising reach... His throw is really good now too! He's a good man.

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up
I love Pac-Man

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

elf help book posted:

I love Pac-Man

Unfortunate timing. He’s just been credibly accused of sexual assault.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

net cafe scandal posted:

Unfortunate timing. He’s just been credibly accused of sexual assault.

Milkshake Puck

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008

Lord_Magmar posted:

Not only are they toxic but a bunch of stuff has been brought up this year about pros in those areas also being garbage. It's kind of been an extended garbage people show from all sides of video games year long at this point, just bubbling in the background.

I'd still recommend letting your newphew play what he likes, and just teach him good safety/muting/reporting for mobas if he likes them. They're only as toxic as you let them be a lot of the time.

say what you will about mobas, but at least that scene as far as I’m aware doesn’t have a pedophile ring at all. I’d probably tell this dude’s nephew depending on age to be very careful of this community.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

The REAL Goobusters posted:

say what you will about mobas, but at least that scene as far as I’m aware doesn’t have a pedophile ring at all. I’d probably tell this dude’s nephew depending on age to be very careful of this community.

this is just conjecture, but im pretty sure the MOBA scene has several hundred unconvicted murderers

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

scary ghost dog posted:

this is just conjecture, but im pretty sure the MOBA scene has several hundred unconvicted murderers

I didn't realise it was that big with cops.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
IIRC Dota went through it's own scandals like a week before the Smash/FGC stuff blew up.

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

Rabid Snake posted:

I entered this topic wondering if there’s any good newbie guides for a nephew to get into smash ultimate competitively outside of online play.

Now I feel it was a wrong choice on steering him away from MOBAs / dota 2 thinking mobas were toxic (they are)

idk how old he is but if hes a minor he really shouldnt be going to anything without a guardian with him. the reason this happens is cuz kids were left alone with predators who no one knew to look out for because 95% of the adults attending are early 20 somethings who just want to play a video game and arent equipped for anything else. the whole thing is a failure on everyone to realize this problem.

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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
https://twitter.com/GhostsSoup/status/1279840390523355136

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