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Regy Rusty posted:A lot of what we see of Saul in BB, especially early on, is him putting on the sleazy act for clients. And honestly he never actually develops a close relationship with any of the main characters on the show, nothing like what he has with Kim in BCS. So there aren't that many opportunities to see what he's like beneath the surface. For me the most jarring 'actor playing character in a different time line' was Harold Hamlin would seem to be ripe for a financial take down. If he is paying the firms liabilities out of his personal funds then the firm must be technically insolvent. This would then force a bankruptcy. At that point the Sandpiper case would become an asset that could not be administered by HHM. I think there are also some bar associated problems with your law firm going broke. It might be too much to put Jimmy's stake in Sandpiper in jeopardy but it might force a settlement for Howard to avoid bankruptcy. The fiscal side of HHM would appear to be fertile ground for screwing Howard no matter what the specifics. Kim is a fiscal specialist. Which leads on to; Kim is so much harder to predict. All the obvious things don't seem satisfying. Rhea Seeborn is so great in BCS that she is almost guaranteed to get a plot arc that goes to the finale. Lalo is quite possibly on his way to Gus' charity village. I don't think the slaying of the old women cook sat particularly well with him. Lalo's compound and Gus' shangri la seem to be same - same mirrors that these writers would create. Lalo and Gus have had to play Cold War till now because the Mexi cartel likes the money more than either of them. I don't see Lalo being the survivor because we already know Gus is. Like Rhea though, Tony Dalton is so good it would be a shame for his plot arc not to make the finale also. In the same way that the US health care system was the dysfunctional backdrop to BB. I think the US court system is the dysfunctional backdrop to BCS. Everything is ultimately about how rich lawyers can pretty much invent new realities while those without the means can only win by not playing. As to further speculation. What about the music? I think we have been given enough information to form a broad understanding of where Gilligan and Gould's musical tastes lie. If we can pick which songs they haven't yet used, that might appear, that could help discover some plot elements? Might be something fun to do for the next three to ten years. Cartoon fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jul 4, 2020 |
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You mean Victor. I wouldn't be shocked if Lalo survives, just because everyone is guessing he won't.
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Jul 4, 2020 03:46
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I would, becasue then what the hell is he doing during BB while Gus is still alive? Unless he was crippled like Hector or something.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:44
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massive spider posted:I would, becasue then what the hell is he doing during BB while Gus is still alive? Unless he was crippled like Hector or something.
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Jul 4, 2020 12:54
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I'm saying that regardless of whether it would be interesting from the perspective of subverting audience expectations, it wouldnt make any logical sense. He's clearly in a 'one of us has got to go' vendetta mode against Gus. In what plausible situation does the story end with him alive?
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Jul 4, 2020 13:01
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Well, the real benefit to the way Breaking Bad was written in relation to BCS, is that Breaking Bad has a very narrow scope on everything and mostly only revolves around Walt and Jessie. Like Gus could be in the middle of a lot of poo poo while also dealing with Walter, and it make complete sense for it to not be mentioned or shown in Breaking Bad as it would not be a factor in the Breaking Bad world that is focused on Walt and Jessie. If I were to guess I would imagine Lalo will be killed at some point in season 6... although, it seems quite likely that Jimmy either knows or at least thinks Lalo is still alive when he meets Walt and Jessie.
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Jul 4, 2020 13:31
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Javid posted:You mean Victor. if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense
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Jul 4, 2020 14:35
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Last Chance posted:if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense The only way he's still alive is if he fakes his own death, and if that happens, it would likely tie in to the Gene storyline. Which would then mean that Saul and Lalo have to have way more business together for Lalo to really matter that much when everything is all over with. I don't think any of this will happen. I'm pretty sure Lalo is dead by the time BCS ends. So, speaking BCS, I've been rewatching it from the beginning. I completely forgot that Rich from S&C was in season 1. I guess it was such a slow burn, and really the last time I saw season 1 was when it aired that he just didn't stick in my memory.
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Jul 4, 2020 15:05
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Last Chance posted:if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense Not if Gus THINKS Lalo is dead, when in fact he's on the lam in a far off land, permanently exiled from everything he once had and everyone he knew. (...Just like Gene)
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Jul 4, 2020 18:20
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Hey I want to see Lalo super-jump out of this hole as much as the next person, but I don't really seem him living through the series 
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Jul 4, 2020 18:42
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Last Chance posted:if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense Well it's certainly possible that Gus never hears from his contact that the Lalo mission actually failed. It's clear he hired some poo poo tier crew so it's quite possible the bosses that sent the crew, would just lie to get the payday...
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Jul 5, 2020 00:39
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Not even lie. Frying pan guy reported they had succeeded, presumably shortly before his death; whoever was on the other end of that sent the money and called it good, probably. Nobody who's still alive knows that Lalo is, at this point.
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Jul 5, 2020 00:56
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:If I were to guess I would imagine Lalo will be killed at some point in season 6... although, it seems quite likely that Jimmy either knows or at least thinks Lalo is still alive when he meets Walt and Jessie. Depending on how much BCS overlaps with BB, there's no reason they couldn't overlap up to the point where Jimmy meets Walt, and then Lalo dies after that.
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Jul 5, 2020 02:30
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Maybe the twins nail him
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Jul 5, 2020 03:11
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I hope someone drinks pee again
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Jul 5, 2020 09:24
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I don't see Lalo laying low on Gus. He's going to find Nacho and go after Gus from there. Gus doesn't use the "All the Salamancas are dead" taunt without knowing for sure. Kim is going to be alive in the end. Saul mentions a call on his birthday at 3pm. It's probably them keeping in touch while she is hiding/in exile. I don't know if it's on the run for the law, but some sort of "Better for you, better for me if we are not together" thing that happens from going after Hamlin. Gene uses that old Saul spark to fix the Jeff situation and that opens him up to finally heal and maybe be able to live a life besides work, home, and nostalgia VHS.
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Jul 5, 2020 22:04
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Yeah from everything we've seen there's no way Lalo lays low to pretend he's dead without using that to eventually strike back and make it obvious he's still around.
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Jul 5, 2020 22:17
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Don't Follow Lalo will have Lalo as a garbage truck driver in Omaha. He does one last favor for Saul by getting rid of that guy from the mall.
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Jul 5, 2020 22:48
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Athanatos posted:Saul mentions a call on his birthday at 3pm. Hmmm, please refresh my memory? I can't remember that at all in either series and I know I used to be much better at remembering details like that (15-20 years ago...semi-lol)
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Jul 5, 2020 23:14
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I think it's in the flash forward in BCS when he and Francesca are tearing the office apart before he goes to meet the disappearer. I don't remember the part about it being his birthday, but he mentions that an important phone call will happen at 3PM on a specific date, and for her to tell someone "Jimmy sent you."
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Jul 5, 2020 23:20
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BCS S2E5 (Rebecca), Mesa Verde, with Paige and Kevin, are introduced. Howard makes it a point to mention how he loved the logo with the silhouette. Neat that they made it seem iconic early on. Also, and this is unrelated to everything, but both Kevin and Kim have the same initials.
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Agent Escalus posted:Hmmm, please refresh my memory? I can't remember that at all in either series and I know I used to be much better at remembering details like that (15-20 years ago...semi-lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJvNAlsgs4 When she says "Talk to my attorney" that's when Saul hands her a card and tells her to say "Jimmy sent ya." Hamlin most likely, maybe Bill Oakley. Then the 2nd part of the instructions: "Where you going to be on November 12th at 3pm?" -"I'll be there, but if it doesn't ring at 3 on the dot, I'm gone." "Don't worry, it's going to ring." This season we learn Jimmy's birthday is November 12th:  My guess is every year, 3pm on November 12th, Kim calls. That year, Francesca answered and told her what happened.
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Jul 6, 2020 07:44
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Maybe Kim already used the dissapearer, or is otherwise in hiding too - and the happy ending is them living in blissful isolation and anonymity, running scams in small towns to pay the bills. Please?
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Jul 6, 2020 07:55
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It's highly probable that at least someone from the current storyline eventually ties back into Jimmy/Gene's story in a meaningful way. Lalo seems unlikely, but he's got a better than 0 chance, even if he's dead but leaves a huge loose end tied to Jimmy. The overall story of Breaking Bad has been built on people forgetting something highly important in their or an associate's possession that leads to a much bigger thread opening up later.
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iamsosmrt posted:It's highly probable that at least someone from the current storyline eventually ties back into Jimmy/Gene's story in a meaningful way. Lalo seems unlikely, but he's got a better than 0 chance, even if he's dead but leaves a huge loose end tied to Jimmy. You know, I initially was going to reply with the one major example which is what I listed first here, but now I'm trying to think of different examples of that and have quite a few... - Leaves of Grass - the misplaced ricin - the second cell phone - the shard of the broken plate (maybe?) - the fake out with the barrel of money - lab notes in Gale's apt - banking or manifest info in the picture frame in Gus' office - Gus' laptop - the names of Mike's guys that Lydia had anyway Am I missing any? Edit: also, I think this thread should be a catchall for everything BB/BCS/EC related, since we're going to be likely waiting a LONG time for S6.
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Athanatos posted:I don't see Lalo laying low on Gus. He's going to find Nacho and go after Gus from there. Gus doesn't use the "All the Salamancas are dead" taunt without knowing for sure. I was thinking that maybe the way Saul becomes acquainted with Ed is through needing to find a way to disappear Kim, although maybe they wont touch on that in BCS because the actor's dead.
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Jul 6, 2020 22:29
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:
night danger posted:I was thinking that maybe the way Saul becomes acquainted with Ed is through needing to find a way to disappear Kim, although maybe they wont touch on that in BCS because the actor's dead. They'll probably find a way to do it respectfully, like having his presence via phone only and off screen. He's almost definitely got to pop up regardless. Also, who are the people that Jimmy's likely most concerned about as Gene? Is he worried about cartel retribution or the police? He seems too afraid of people who look like Gus reject gang members.
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iamsosmrt posted:
There's not much of a cartel after the events of BB. At least there isn't one that has much interest in Saul, as far as we know. It sort of depends on when the Gene scenes actually take place. He might actually be afraid of Walt if it all takes place during that winter Walt was up in the mountains. But I'm guessing it's police and in the case of those two goons, being discovered and owing them to keep silent seems like a lovely spot to be in. e: I kind of remember Gene listening to a CB radio in his car when was freaked out about being discovered. I think he's definitely hiding from the cops
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Athanatos posted:This season we learn Jimmy's birthday is November 12th: Thanks for that! Totally missed the que to observe that detail on the license because I also forgot the "November 12th at 3pm" nitty-gritty part of the instructions that makes it all line up. Good job on the viewer detective work!
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Last Chance posted:if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense Tell the best story and don't give a poo poo if it ties in with BB IMO
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Jul 8, 2020 03:00
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Last Chance posted:if Lalo were still alive, then Gus taunting Hector about all of the Salamancas being dead wouldn't make sense It would if the people he hired to kill Lalo told him that they got the confirmation from their men that Lalo was dead. It's truly quite possible that Lalo will put the blame on the attack entirely on Nacho and the cartel and not even go after Gus for the hit attempt.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:It would if the people he hired to kill Lalo told him that they got the confirmation from their men that Lalo was dead. It's truly quite possible that Lalo will put the blame on the attack entirely on Nacho and the cartel and not even go after Gus for the hit attempt. I agree with this and would like to see it happen. I want Gus to be in the back burner of the last season and have his screen time replaced by a nacho arc where he succeeds in getting his father out. But I also want Lalo to live and take over the business . I want a bad guy to at least win.
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Jul 8, 2020 06:34
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One thing to note: in BB, Gus makes a point of listing who he's killed from the Salamanca family. No Lalo, because the writers hasn't made him a family member yet  I mean, he even mentions Joaquin.
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Jul 8, 2020 10:08
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oh but seriously I posted:Tell the best story and don't give a poo poo if it ties in with BB IMO I really want them to kill off one of the BB guys but they're cowards.
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Jul 8, 2020 11:08
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Kuiperdolin posted:I really want them to kill off one of the BB guys but they're cowards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APH1LIJaq7A
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Jul 8, 2020 11:51
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tbh i would watch the gently caress out of a season of bcs that dove headfirst into the many-worlds theory of quantum mechanics, completely out of left field lalo slowly coming to the realization that he's a dimensional god capable of seeing all possible realities simultaneously, which in his lower state of being had previously manifested as preternatural strength/reflexes and miraculously good luck
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Jul 8, 2020 12:14
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tuco, warmly embracing his [cousin? uncle?]: "i was wondering when you'd wake up"
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Jul 8, 2020 12:17
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And so Lalo finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong and hoping each time that his next leap... will be the leap home
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Jul 8, 2020 12:32
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Two things: I'd love it if Peter, Vince, and crew did an anthology series (different every season, but not every episode) that were murder mystery themed. I don't care if BCS is the last outing of this particular tv universe, but I definitely hope the entire crew gets to work together again. Also, I think it's interesting that it's heavily implied that the convenience store that Jimmy (and Chuck's) parents had lost money not because of Jimmy, but because they were too nice, and Chuck died not knowing that, just assuming Jimmy stole all that money. Edit: it's also fairly sad that Jimmy will never, ever know that his mother called for him when she died. Goddamn 
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Loved this latest season, but one thing didn't sit right with me. Mike, normally so uber competent and cogniscent of all the angles, spent time with Jimmy working on his story to tell Lalo following the desert ordeal. Mike also knew that Lalo would flee to Mexico once out of jail, indeed wanted him to. So did it not occur to Mike that Lalo might well take that same route to the border and wonder where Saul's car was (as happened), and even discover the car in the ditch (as happened). If Saul's story somehow accounted for this stuff, and also the bullet holes in the car, it would have been more consistent with Mike's character in not leaving that potential exposure and the awful consequences of it.
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