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If you are an international student enrolled in a US college that has no on-campus classes this fall semester due to covid-19, then you are expected to leave the country, even if you are doing online courses. ICE.gov posted:Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States. The U.S. Department of State will not issue visas to students enrolled in schools and/or programs that are fully online for the fall semester nor will U.S. Customs and Border Protection permit these students to enter the United States. Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings. That's right, the assholes over at ICE are at it again, following Trumps xenophobic agenda white-ify America, and erase all sights of immigrants being a thing in this country to cash in on votes, because Trump's America hates immigrants, pays no mind to people of color, and apologizes for nothing. (Yes, that is why.) Meanwhile, ICE fails miserably at trying to come up with a good excuse, but it will no surprise it will be convincing to the less fortunate imbeciles living in this country: quote:Carissa Cutrell, a spokesperson for ICE, said the agency now needed to make sure it was enforcing existing federal regulation requirements. Which makes no sense. They are using covid to deport students. If schools allow it, they can risk getting infection at on-campus classes, or they will have to leave the country. Many colleges rely on international students, so I know they'll try to come up with a solution, but it will probably involve being on campus. So all other students will be entitled staying in and safe taking online courses, but for some reason international students need to risk their health. For those that think it's an easy feat to leave the country and go to another school, consider the following: -For those enrolled, classes they are registered for are starting in September. -EU borders are closed. -Who would admit them in the middle of a pandemic? -Submitting applications takes money. -They would need to travel on an airplane. Who wants to do that right now? -Visa processing (most embassies are closed during the pandemic). -It takes time to research universities, mail transcripts, contact faculties, etc. -For those that need to leave, they likely won't be accepted anywhere by next semester. What you can do: Please contact your federal representatives. CALLING HAS THE MOST DIRECT IMPACT. IT WILL TAKE 5-10 MINUTES OF YOUR WHOLE DAY. PLEASE DO THIS. You can find your House Representative by entering your zip code here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative You can find your Senate representative in the link here: https://www.senate.gov/senators/index.htm There are two Senators to a state. Call/email BOTH of them. When you are on the phone or emailing them them, you can use the following script: quote:“Hi. My name is [name] and I’m [calling/emailing] for [lawmaker’s name]. I am a constituent of [district - replace with whatever your district is]. Petition: PLEASE SIGN THIS This policy is ridiculous and there's no justifiable reason that it should exist. There's over a million international college students in the US. Imagine how many lives will be ruined. It doesn't have to happen if people make a big enough stink about it. Quick action, in numbers may be enough to overturn this cruel and thoughtless decision. Good Sphere has issued a correction as of 21:33 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that.
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Jul 7, 2020 05:08
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that. Oh well, can’t win em all
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Jul 7, 2020 05:10
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that. 100% agree. Only way we will see any real, positive change, is we start tossing the wealthy and elite out of skyscrapers.
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Jul 7, 2020 05:17
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Ice uh, finds a way
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Jul 7, 2020 06:29
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that. you first
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Jul 7, 2020 06:31
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Johnny Aztec posted:100% agree. Only way we will see any real, positive change, is we start tossing the wealthy and elite out of skyscrapers. They tried that with 9/11 and it just made things worse
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Jul 7, 2020 06:45
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gently caress ICE gently caress trump gently caress the GOP gently caress anyone who votes republican edit : John_A_Tallon posted:They tried that with 9/11 and it just made things worse  
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Jul 7, 2020 06:47
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that. OP, you're championing s good cause, plz add any helpful links you come across to the first post.
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Jul 7, 2020 06:54
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This fall is going to be so hosed in a thousand different ways.
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Jul 7, 2020 07:18
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It sure is wonderful living in a failed state
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Jul 7, 2020 07:21
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100% online courses and you get to live in the country sounds like a visa scam run by universities. If I was an enterprising young adult I would move to America then farm out the actual course work to some kid in Bangladesh. E: not anymore I guess
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Jul 7, 2020 07:41
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BrassRoots posted:100% online courses and you get to live in the country sounds like a visa scam run by universities. If I was an enterprising young adult I would move to America then farm out the actual course work to some kid in Bangladesh. That's literally the rule they're enforcing here. Online only 'universities' haven't been able to have visa students for that exact reason, and applying that logic and ruling to real universities that are now 100% online only is a logical extension of that. Otherwise whatever the cutoff is for 'real university' to 'online only' would be abused by basically anyone unscrupulous to sell a bogus diploma and 'student visa' to anyone that can afford 30k/year in tuition. Kinda a lovely move, but that more or less describes the last 10 or so years of politics.
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Jul 7, 2020 08:45
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BrassRoots posted:100% online courses and you get to live in the country sounds like a visa scam run by universities. If I was an enterprising young adult I would move to America then farm out the actual course work to some kid in Bangladesh. i wonder if there isn't some ongoing disaster that made it necessary to switch to online teaching oh well guess we'll never figure it out
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Jul 7, 2020 09:05
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what if america...and china...are evil??? all this poo poo is targeted at china, i feel bad for the people caught up in it
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Jul 7, 2020 09:08
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Let's be honest and admit that getting a degree from a third world failed country isn't exactly marketable on the world stage. So while it's true that ICE is the capitalist gestapo, can you really say that not blowing money on a degree from a US school is a bad thing?
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Jul 7, 2020 09:32
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I'm guessing the way around this is to require each student to come in for a socially-distanced one-on-one discussion with the professor, once, for each course. there you go, no longer 100% online.Good Sphere posted:(Yes, that is why.) this is weird, are you having a conversation with yourself
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Jul 7, 2020 10:04
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If they wanted learning maybe they shouldn't have gone to the US.
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Jul 7, 2020 10:14
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Well this really hurts. I know someone trying to come over to study for a semester and between their home country getting tighter about US immigration and this it's looking less likely by the day. I've got to get out of this failing nation.
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Hammerite posted:I'm guessing the way around this is to require each student to come in for a socially-distanced one-on-one discussion with the professor, once, for each course. there you go, no longer 100% online. Harvard explicitly declared they were 100% online, so they'd have to cave to ICE's bullshit and switch to a "hybrid model" with basically "self-study courses" held "on campus".
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Jul 7, 2020 12:11
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BrassRoots posted:100% online courses and you get to live in the country sounds like a visa scam run by universities. If I was an enterprising young adult I would move to America then farm out the actual course work to some kid in Bangladesh. universities are scams full stop so you are correct lol at people with 6 figures of debt for a bachelors in psych so they can be a receptionist for an HVAC company..etc
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Jul 7, 2020 12:13
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Greatest Living Man posted:Harvard explicitly declared they were 100% online, so they'd have to cave to ICE's bullshit and switch to a "hybrid model" with basically "self-study courses" held "on campus". is that like a legal declaration? or can they turn around any time they want and say "oh well we didn't really mean 100% online for immigration purposes, oh deary me no"
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Jul 7, 2020 12:16
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Hammerite posted:is that like a legal declaration? or can they turn around any time they want and say "oh well we didn't really mean 100% online for immigration purposes, oh deary me no" why would harvard care i see them as more likely to legitimize reasons for charging out of state/international tuition for less work and exposure  not like people are gonna go down to NJ or CT instead, since this is a federal law
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Jul 7, 2020 12:18
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Statutory Ape posted:why would harvard care yeah maybe you're right. i don't know anything about the us higher education system anyway. it seems like ICE is acting to enforce a law that was written without an international pandemic in mind and lawmakers should get their act together and amend the law. you have a competent and humane legislature right?
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Hammerite posted:yeah maybe you're right. i don't know anything about the us higher education system anyway. i think ICE might be an apparatus of a fascist regime, and should be viewed through that lens rather than pretending they care about anything besides being part of the political machine  i see things like this and i assume trump is in a pissing contest again also i assume roughly 0% of trumps base gives a poo poo about colleges outside of football so this is a freebie attack on the liberal coastal elites
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Jul 7, 2020 12:33
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Bin Laden won.
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Jul 7, 2020 12:37
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lol its even funnier when you look at the GOP push to put as many children back in (non college) schools ASAP despite the fact its going to kill literally millions probably harder to do meth and contemplate voting for trump when you cant hoist your kids off on the school system
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Jul 7, 2020 12:40
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Hammerite posted:is that like a legal declaration? or can they turn around any time they want and say "oh well we didn't really mean 100% online for immigration purposes, oh deary me no" The latter, but Harvard sets the precedent for a lot of other private universities. Their announcement came hours before the ICE announcement --- it's likely that ICE saw it and decided to release the statement.
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Jul 7, 2020 12:50
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:This country is fascist and nothing short of violent revolution will change that. Yes because we allow it. Pondex posted:Bin Laden won. Exactly right. He set in motion the downfall and we're too stupid to even see it. pop fly to McGillicutty has issued a correction as of 12:57 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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Jul 7, 2020 12:51
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Yes because we allow it. we dont really have a choice in a lot of ways 2 of the last 3 presidential elections GOP won they lost the popular vote so lol
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Jul 7, 2020 12:53
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Statutory Ape posted:we dont really have a choice in a lot of ways Assuming the solution is through the system put in place to keep you complacent is the problem. There should have been revolt after the FIRST time "the popular vote didn't count". Or after the first school of kindergarten kids got murdered. Or after "very fine" Nazis marching. We allow it.
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Jul 7, 2020 13:00
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Animal-Mother posted:This fall is going to be so hosed in a thousand different ways. do you mean fall the season, or do you mean "fall of the american empire"?
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Jul 7, 2020 13:00
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Their presence in the country is a privilege, not a right. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 7, 2020 13:02
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Assuming the solution is through the system put in place to keep you complacent is the problem. feel free to become a martyr i guess then
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Jul 7, 2020 13:04
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The Persian Funk posted:Their presence in the country is a privilege, not a right. much like your posting
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Jul 7, 2020 13:05
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Hammerite posted:much like your posting by which i mean that your ability to post is a privilege you enjoy. your posts are definitely not a privilege to read
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Jul 7, 2020 13:07
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Just lol if you ever thought your murderous imperialist slave state was ever good
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Jul 7, 2020 13:11
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Statutory Ape posted:feel free to become a martyr i guess then I love posts like this. "Don't question the empire or else your life is forfeit" is how I read it. You act like discussion of what's wrong is verboten. I'm not wrong. It doesn't mean I'm throwing Molotov's out the window. You know, because I have a loving toddler that I have to keep safe and alive.
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Jul 7, 2020 13:13
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The Persian Funk posted:Their presence in the country is a privilege, not a right. gently caress yourself
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The Persian Funk posted:Their presence in the country is a privilege, not a right. maybe they should kill some current americans and take their houses over. then they would have the legitimate right to stay by the traditions of america
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