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Can someone screenshot the tweet Atwood is responding to there? That TERF has me blocked and I'm trying to figure out the conversation.
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Arivia posted:Can someone screenshot the tweet Atwood is responding to there? That TERF has me blocked and I'm trying to figure out the conversation. quote:How did the people in Gilead know which people to make into Handmaidens?
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Gosh, how *do* fascists rule on gender!? We have no examples of how militant patriarchy treats edge cases, but I'm guessing they're really flexible
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Melissa seems to think this is a huge gotcha and I have no idea why.
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RoboRodent posted:Melissa seems to think this is a huge gotcha and I have no idea why. It's this: https://twitter.com/duncanoe2/status/1280508330184671236 edit: It's a gotcha because if Atwood is correct and sex is a spectrum full of messy categories that can't be neatly explained by XX and XY chromosomes, then Gilead would have been unable to enforce its rigid patriarchy. But in the books Gilead was able to do so, so they must not have had any trouble telling the difference between men and women. Therefore Atwood is a hypocrite for posting her link about the biology of sex since clearly Gilead did not require any such nuance to carry out its oppression. wizzardstaff has a new favorite as of 16:28 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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RoboRodent posted:Melissa seems to think this is a huge gotcha and I have no idea why. She's not the only one. "Oh, your evil fictional patriarchal society doesn't recognized trans people?! And yet you do?! How curious! I am very smart!"
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RoboRodent posted:Melissa seems to think this is a huge gotcha and I have no idea why. Same here, I read the book a couple years ago and I can't understand what point Melissa thinks she is making. Can someone translate IOSM for me? Fake edit: Is it that if a brutal, misogynistic regime treated trans men the same way they treated cis women, then our society should do the same?
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If you guys don't want to read the book you could at least read the responses to that dumbass comment which explain why she's a dumbass: https://twitter.com/theangelremiel/status/1280499161360748545?s=20 edit: Arivia posted:Can someone screenshot the tweet Atwood is responding to there? That TERF has me blocked and I'm trying to figure out the conversation. here you go: https://imgur.com/a/tprLXxP link to margaret's original tweet that pissed off the terfs: https://twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1280262917506641922?s=20 Guilty has a new favorite as of 16:40 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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wizzardstaff posted:It's this: "Fuhrer! Fuhrer, I know you were going to murder the gender traitors and homosexuals, but according to this fascinating book from a Doctor Hirschfield it may be more complic--" *the book is roughly grabbed out of their hands and pitched into the bonfire* "-alright, nevermind."
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jjack229 posted:Same here, I read the book a couple years ago and I can't understand what point Melissa thinks she is making. Can someone translate IOSM for me? she's very poorly trying to argue that sex organs = gender by pointing out that the brutal misogynistc regime reduced gender to sex organs, thus bing bong so simple "if the church nazis who had a system of institutional rape could call women women, then surely you can do the same without pretending that such a thing as 'gender fluidity' exists - i mean, even the nazis got it!"
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"How can you reduce sex and gender to a binary and build a society around that if it is not accurate?" I say, living in reality.
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The big question is: Is Wu Flu just yet another new flu, worse than most, less bad than some, with a death rate around 0.1% or less, or is it something considerably more serious, with a death rate around 1% or more? And we are seeing a pile of compelling evidence, for example New York City, that it is 1% or more, and a pile of compelling evidence, for example most of the rest of America, and a great many countries around the world, that it is 0.1% or less. We also see that the elites are not happy with the evidence that it is 0.1% or less – for example they took down the Dr Erickson video. They want it to be 1% or more. so what explains this mysteriously massively discrepant evidence? Why is it so? When a dangerous disease is going around the normal response is to lockdown the sick, not the healthy, that you quarantine those infected or suspected of infection and turn away strangers and outsiders. The sick and travelers temporarily lose their civil rights, but life goes on as normal for everyone else. That was the spontaneous mass response to Ebola. It is what people have always done for over a thousand years, because it works. Peoples, elites, and authorities have often responded to extremely serious plagues with extremely severe travel restrictions but no one has ever locked down the healthy, even in response to very serious diseases such as Ebola that were obviously far more deadly. Some governments responded to the disease by imposing quarantine on carriers and plausibly suspected carriers. The East Asians simply locked them up, the Australian and New Zealand government imposed “voluntary” quarantine – and if you do not “volunteer” with sufficient enthusiasm, they lock you up even if you are a big star and very important person and have very important things to do. Places that impose quarantine on carriers have only a minor problem. But strangely in many places, we are seeing drastic measures imposed on the normal population, while carriers are free to cough all over the subway and are forced into old people’s homes. Where governments have acted vigorously and effectively to quarantine and treat the sick, where governments do what has been done for well over a thousand years in response to plagues, Wu Flu has caused very little sickness and death, irrespective of whether they imposed lockdown or not, South Korea being the most dramatic example. We have had millenia of travel blockades and quarantines in response to pandemics, and they have worked. We have never had a lockdown of the healthy, and it is not working. And where governments do not very much want the death rate to 1% or higher, we are not seeing anything like 1% or higher. Exhibit number one for an extremely seriously death rate is New York city, where the government forces Wu Flu patients into old folks homes, and people with a fever are free to cough all over the subway. In much of the world, there is a guard at the door of every major shopping center who points a thermometer gun at your head to check you for fever, but in New York City, which is exhibit A for Wu Flu being a serious disease with a high death rate: We saw Cuomo deliberately send coronona virus into old people’s homes, knowing the death rate is more like 70% in an old people’s home – but not however for old people being cared for by their families. quote:The CEO of a hard-hit Brooklyn nursing home, where 55 patients have died from the coronavirus, told The Post last week that he’d been warning state Health Department officials for weeks he had staffing and equipment issues — yet received little help. Hydroxychloroquine is being widely blocked. To be effective, has to be given before the lungs are adversely affected. Impaired lungs can lead to low oxygen levels of which the patient is unaware, resulting in cascading organ failure if some of his other organs are a bit on the marginal side and even if the corona virus goes away before he dies, which it often does. If you have two marginal organs, and then you have a third marginal organ, you are apt to get cascading organ failure. And if you have several marginal organs, you are a lot more likely to get cascading organ failure in an unpleasant and hostile alien environment where you have no control, than in a pleasant and supportive home environment where you have substantial influence and control. And, similarly ventilators. If someone has a bunch of marginal organs, and you stick him on a ventilator, he will very likely die from the ventilator, irrespective of oxygen levels. We know that oxygen masks are way better for people that are conscious and alert. It is absolutely obvious that some people very much want this to be a dire crisis, and are prepared to take drastic action to make sure that it actually is a dire crisis. Remember the much promised alarming shortage of hospital beds. Notice that we have quarantine for the healthy, not the sick. The USNS comfort was intended as a hospital and quarantine center and it is not being used because Cuomo wants people who are coughing up corona virus to ride the subways. New York is indeed having a death rate closer to 1%, and we see ample evidence that the New York government wants a death rate closer to 1%. That is what explains the discrepancy. When someone is already frail, and you would prefer that they died, it is easy to make sure that they do. With the best will in the world, iatrogenic death is a huge problem, and we have been seeing a great deal of the worst will in the world. Rt over all America has been dropping independent of lockdown, which seems to have small effect, probably for the reasons given in the Dr Erickson video. Therefore, except perhaps in Wyoming, we are getting a significant fraction of the population immune, at least among the superspreader subpopulations, such as homeless and subway riders, and we have not been getting 1% of a significant fraction of the population dying, except in states and cities where it is absolutely obvious that the the government wants a significant fraction of the population to die. We have a plague of state sponsored iatrogenic deaths, not a plague of yet another new flu. The old and the frail are most at risk, partly because flu always kills the old and the frail, and mostly because old people separated from home and kin are extremely vulnerable to iatrogenic mistreatment. Some years ago I was detained against my will in a very unpleasant hospital, on the grounds that my vital signs needed to be continually monitored, until I managed to arrange to have myself transferred to a much nicer hospital, where I actually received useful and effective treatment in a pleasant environment while my vital signs were being monitored in a polite, pleasant, respectful, and unobtrusive fashion. If I had been frail, would have been at risk of iatrogenic injury or death in the unpleasant hospital. If we look at who is dying and where they are dying, the big risk factor is a state system that wants you to die, and health problems that make you vulnerable to being killed iatrogenically. The distribution of deaths indicates the primary cause of death is not disease, but the biggest killer of the twentieth century: Government. San Francisco has the same risk factors as New York City; crowding, dirt, public transport, and homelessness; and yet there is an enormous difference in the death rate. Both have comparable levels of Wu Flu among superspreader subpopulations. One place is generating stats consistent with a 1% death rate and grossly inconsistent with a 0.1% death rate, the other place is generating stats grossly inconsistent with a 1% death rate, and consistent with a death rate considerably lower than 0.1%. Why does the the New York government send old people sick with corona virus into old people’s homes, when the USS Comfort sits empty? The government want to atomize, to “socially distance” groups that it hates and fears: Observe white get busted for surfing and going for a walk in the park, while non asian minorities have no problem throwing big parties. Observe orthodox Jews get the stick, while progressive Jews and Muslims are fine. Wu Flu is an opportunity and justification for locking down people you fear and dislike, and, in some places such as New York City, an opportunity for killing off groups you fear and dislike, hence the seemingly discrepant facts on death rates. Cuomo is refusing to send people to facilities that he does not have authority over, where he cannot make sure that they will die.
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Trying to take down LoB only makes them stronger.
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And back on ignore for prolixity.
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I don't know if it's worse when the person with those kind of views is a competent writer or when they talk Like This....it boggles THE MIND!!!
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gleebster posted:And back on ignore for prolixity. The wuflu was a surprise to every nation it would appear. An accident? No, it is something we were warned about many years ago. Sweden, unaffected by the flu AND no lockdown torture either, their economy by and large unaffected. Ditto much of Asia, Japan totally unaffected, South Korea, even China (which panicked) hasn’t suffered much. They all grab a few more authoritarian powers of course, that’s The State for you. Five nations have suffered the most from the wuflu itself, mostly thanks to medical negligence/killings, but their numbers stand out far above any other. These same nations are also suffering the most from deaths and pain due to lack of availability of routine healthcare and procedures and treatments. I know someone with severe MS, who has been denied his usual medicines, for reasons unknown. These five nations also have suffered the most restrictive lockdowns, with life effectively reduced to house arrest, plus food shopping, plus a walk or cycle ride, only once per day, if you’re lucky. Those nations: America, UK, Italy, France, Spain. I bet no one here, or perhaps anywhere, can spot the common denominator between these five nations, and from that arrive at the cause and level of their suffering, when compared to every other nation on the planet. Prediction: those 5 nations will see wuflu return every year, maybe twice a year, and the lockdowns will become ever more onerous, and new laws will result in people being taken away to be killed, for no reason whatsoever. UK law already allows this, no coronoer, no family members need even be informed, nothing, just..gone. The State just needs to pin wuflu on you, and that’s it, your life is over. Tough times, but these nations deserve it, and more besides. I will reveal later today, if no one guesses.
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The Wuflu Plan ain't nothin to gently caress with.
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gleebster posted:And back on ignore for prolixity. You fool.
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chitoryu12 posted:You fool. You're terse, at least.
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Found this today while doing some shopping.  This isn't exactly social media, is there a better thread for dumb reviews?
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pseudorandom posted:Found this today while doing some shopping. Oof! I hated stuff like that when it affected ratings for my job. Our main metric was “likelihood to recommend.” I had given the client great service, they even said so in the review but they 1-star’d that metric citing “none of my friends use computers.” I don’t blame them for that situation, but it was also like a “drat!” moment.
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Probate anyone who reports a LoB post.
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pseudorandom posted:Found this today while doing some shopping. Are you certain that's not a gimmick reviewer? Either way, I want to see more of their reviews.
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I've been here since 2004, I literally just found out about LoB today, and while their gimmick doesn't bother me it sure does suck hot rear end and made the last few pages garbage... so let's not support that. MizPiz posted:Are you certain that's not a gimmick reviewer? Either way, I want to see more of their reviews.
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MizPiz posted:Are you certain that's not a gimmick reviewer? Either way, I want to see more of their reviews. I just went back to check their profile to see if there was more hilarity to be found, but strangely that appears to be the only review where they went on an evangelical rant, all of the other seem normal  That actually makes me think it's real.
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does amazon let you change your display name ala twitter or was that person just first in line for jesuslover?
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https://twitter.com/DeutscheBank/status/1280490499007283201 "Woopsy!"
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Can’t find a pic but there was a guy on Yelp a while back who would rate everything he liked one star because “#1 means the best!!!” - it may have been a moderately amusing gimmick but my money is on he was just that dumb because, you know, Yelp.
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280522973003362312
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T-man posted:am i allowed to say Oh, and just for the record, you absolutely are not.
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I can’t believe he can seriously think that way while not choking to death on his own saliva. It is so much easier to assume he’s a troll
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ah poo poo apparently I've been Had! https://twitter.com/woodmuffin/status/1280553101653676038
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lol Twitter like envy
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Cernunnos posted:Already gone. Matty just deleted all of his tweets loving lol what a baby
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Already gone. Good Citizen posted:Matty just deleted all of his tweets loving lol what a baby Now I really want to know what it was.
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ultrafilter posted:Already gone. He signed that stupid rear end harpers open letter on cancel culture and was defending why he did it
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