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A big flaming stink posted:i am legit trying to drill down into what you actually believe regarding how the democrats ought to react to hypothetical endorsements from objectively terrible people Good thing for you I already posted my opinion: Xombie posted:
Conveniently, this is already what's happening in reality.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1280588663106211846 what a loving dumb ghoul.
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'grandmas lived long enough' hasn't worked, so they're going with 'do you really need two kids?'
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:'grandmas lived long enough' hasn't worked, so they're going with 'do you really need two kids?' https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1280593596287266816 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1280593833600921601 yep
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Jul 7, 2020 21:07
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Xombie posted:Good thing for you I already posted my opinion: this appears to not so much be an answer to the question as it does to be a massive dodge? i mean, it's not -hard- not to brag about having the endorsement of someone with the blood of millions on his hands. it's piss easy. the bragging about it involves more effort than not bragging about it. someone has to go out of their way to say that the guy you spent from 2002 to ~2015 considering the functional equivalent of the antichrist is good and cool now. this is not a huge ask, why the continued evasiveness
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Jul 7, 2020 21:08
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1280588663106211846 He closes out by doubling down on his own joke. "Great job on the therapeutics. And we'll hold you to that. September, right?" I thought he was referring to the efficacy of the therapy, rather than to hold the scientist man to a promise he tactfully avoided.
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Xombie posted:Good thing for you I already posted my opinion: At the risk of inserting myself late into the discussion, I think the question is whether they should actively tout it. That is, if they advertise that Bush is on board with Biden, they may gain some Republican/conservative support, but how much will they lose on the left? And moreover, if someone even worse, Kissinger or Hitler Jr or whoever, decide to endorse Biden, do the Dems have a responsibility to reject or push back? If so, where are you drawing that line?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1280588663106211846 I want to know who he thinks St. Louis is named for.
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Jul 7, 2020 21:13
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Trump admin is formally withdrawing us from WHO. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/us-withdrawing-world-trade-organization/index.html
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You’re not stupid enough to think the Biden campaign making traditional ‘oh yes sure we’ll consider anyone, GOP included’ is anything more than platitudes to try to look reasonable. So why did you make that post?
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Decision effective mid-2021, so plenty of time for the next administration to revisit it.
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Uncleanly Cleric posted:Trump admin is formally withdrawing us from WHO. WHO let the dogs out.
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Xombie posted:I want to know who he thinks St. Louis is named for. apparently its some 13th century king of france who is also a saint when the french first colonized it and the name stuck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IX_of_France
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Xombie posted:I want to know who he thinks St. Louis is named for. I had to look it up, so: Louis IX of France, not that bad as medieval kings go but still, medieval king with a couple of Crusades so not that great to be honest.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this appears to not so much be an answer to the question as it does to be a massive dodge? There's nothing to evade. Because you're right, it's easy not to do, and that's why they haven't done it. This entire conversation is about the accusation that they've "given the keys" to never-Trumpers. The reality is, they haven't. Any situation where they have is fantasy, based on the assumption that they would if they could. But there's no real basis to that.
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Rust Martialis posted:You’re not stupid enough to think the Biden campaign making traditional ‘oh yes sure we’ll consider anyone, GOP included’ is anything more than platitudes to try to look reasonable. I, too, don't remember Obama, Biden's more-left-of-center-than-Biden-himself-is former boss, appointing Republicans to his cabinet.
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Rust Martialis posted:You’re not stupid enough to think the Biden campaign making traditional ‘oh yes sure we’ll consider anyone, GOP included’ is anything more than platitudes to try to look reasonable. hey, yeah, what kind of moron would figure that Joe Biden would do something like actively campaign for increased republican power at the expense of the democratic party, particularly mid-election cycle how dumb would you have to be to think that could happen
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e: dammit zpRust Martialis posted:You’re not stupid enough to think the Biden campaign making traditional ‘oh yes sure we’ll consider anyone, GOP included’ is anything more than platitudes to try to look reasonable. this claim is not self-evident to me, especially since biden himself campaigned for a republican in the recent pass.
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Unkempt posted:I had to look it up, so: Louis IX of France, not that bad as medieval kings go but still, medieval king with a couple of Crusades so not that great to be honest. pretty much. so a medieval king than. sounds about right. i always assumed it was one of the later kings or some Jesuit who got killed in the americas.
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Majorian posted:I, too, don't remember Obama, Biden's more-left-of-center-than-Biden-himself-is former boss, appointing Republicans to his cabinet. Do you remember every administration in the 100 years before Trump appointing people of the other party to their cabinet as well?
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Majorian posted:This would be a lot more convincing if Biden wasn't cozying up to Republican ghouls and outright neocons already: Yeah, I was referring more to the Lincoln Project ads, which by their mere existence has seemed to convince a lot of people ITT that we believe we should be besties with David Frum and Rick Wilson. But you do you, I guess.
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Xombie posted:There's nothing to evade. Because you're right, it's easy not to do, and that's why they haven't done it. This entire conversation is about the accusation that they've "given the keys" to never-Trumpers. The reality is, they haven't. Any situation where they have is fantasy, based on the assumption that they would if they could. But there's no real basis to that. Xombie posted:Do you remember every administration in the 100 years before Trump appointing people of the other party to their cabinet as well? "they would never do such a thing" and "suggesting that doing that thing would be wrong is laughable naivete" are two angles that play really, REALLY badly together.
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Rust Martialis posted:You’re not stupid enough to think the Biden campaign making traditional ‘oh yes sure we’ll consider anyone, GOP included’ is anything more than platitudes to try to look reasonable. do we take Biden at his word or should we just project whatever we want onto him
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Xombie posted:Do you remember every administration in the 100 years before Trump appointing people of the other party to their cabinet as well? To the top cabinet-level positions, ie: State, Defense, Energy, Treasury, etc? I see a lot of that in Democratic administrations - considerably less in Republican ones, though. I wonder why that is... 
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Unoriginal Name posted:do we take Biden at his word or should we just project whatever we want onto him If you really think that Joe Biden would make a Republican his running mate, I'm not entirely sure you can be convinced of, well...anything, really. I mean, I guess Joe Biden has also NOT explicitly said that he won't round up Bernie supporters into camps and sell them to zoos for meat, so maybe we should worry about that too 
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Majorian posted:I, too, don't remember Obama, Biden's more-left-of-center-than-Biden-himself-is former boss, appointing Republicans to his cabinet. Which of Obama’s appointments were “ghouls” as you claimed Biden was courting for such roles? LaHood? Huntsman? Again, your response contradicts your claim. Try again?
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Unoriginal Name posted:do we take Biden at his word or should we just project whatever we want onto him It's astonishing to me that anyone is still using that moment, where you have to cut out literally everything else he said to salvage the supposed point, as a gotcha like that.
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Majorian posted:To the top cabinet-level positions, ie: State, Defense, Energy, etc? I see a lot of that in Democratic administrations - considerably less in Republican ones, though. I wonder why that is... Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_political_appointments_across_party_lines Bush: Sec. of Transportation, Surgeon General, Secretary of the Army Bush Sr.: Sec. of Education, Ambassador to the USSR Reagan: Sec. of Education, Fed. Reserve Chairman Ford: Sec. of the Treasury, Ike: Sec. of Labor, Fed. Reserve Chairman, Sec. of Navy, Sec. of Treasury.
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Rust Martialis posted:Which of Obama’s appointments were “ghouls” as you claimed Biden was courting for such roles? LaHood? Huntsman? Gates and Hagel come to mind. I don't know if Biden is courting them specifically for those roles, but given that he's already courting even worse people like Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:If you really think that Joe Biden would make a Republican his running mate, I'm not entirely sure you can be convinced of, well...anything, really. thank you, Salena Zito, for reminding us that we have to take candidates' campaigns seriously, but not literally.
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Unoriginal Name posted:do we take Biden at his word or should we just project whatever we want onto him Is there really anyone stupid enough to take that at face value, though? In this terminally-online forum?
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Xombie posted:Yes. Transportation and Education are pretty weak positions, especially in Republican administrations. The fact that you have to go back to Ford for one of the top positions kind of proves my point. Rust Martialis posted:Is there really anyone stupid enough to take that at face value, though? In this terminally-online forum? The point is that if he's willing to say that, there's a good chance he's going to appoint some pretty conservative Republicans to important positions.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:thank you, Salena Zito, for reminding us that we have to take candidates' campaigns seriously, but not literally. Thank you, YMB, for a flawed analogy that proves nothing, I guess?
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Rust Martialis posted:Which of Obama’s appointments were “ghouls” as you claimed Biden was courting for such roles? LaHood? Huntsman? Again, your response contradicts your claim. Try again? remember James Comey, the Republican Obama decided should be his head of domestic intelligence, and in so doing rendered himself more singularly responsible for the election of Donald Trump to President of the United States than any other person on the face of the planet
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:remember James Comey, the Republican Obama decided should be his head of domestic intelligence, and in so doing rendered himself more singularly responsible for the election of Donald Trump to President of the United States than any other person on the face of the planet I'm confused; is "himself" referring to Comey or Obama? Because if you're insinuating that Obama is more responsible for Donald Trump than, say, the 60+ million people who voted for him, the godawfully terrible candidate he ran against, or the media that freely signal-boosted him, fuckin 
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:remember James Comey, the Republican Obama decided should be his head of domestic intelligence, and in so doing rendered himself more singularly responsible for the election of Donald Trump to President of the United States than any other person on the face of the planet this is hillary erasure and i will not stand for it Fritz Coldcockin posted:I'm confused; is "himself" referring to Comey or Obama? Because if you're insinuating that Obama is more responsible for Donald Trump than, say, the 60+ million people who voted for him or the media that freely signal-boosted him, fuckin pretty sure the post was implying that obama was more responsible than any other single person. which is again, pretty obviously wrong because, yknow, hillary
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:If you really think that Joe Biden would make a Republican his running mate, I'm not entirely sure you can be convinced of, well...anything, really. I don't think he will but I think he would if he could get away with it.
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