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Serperoth posted:What bugs me with Alonso and Kimi (and to a lesser degree Vettel and Stroll. Hulk and Kubica don't count cause they're out) is how there's decent fast kids out there who could be taking these spots. Kimi is doing nothing (bwoar ice cream and poo poo!) and it's not like the car is improving much with his experience, send him out to pasture and get some kid from F2 in there.
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There’s been several instances where a car’s development has been completely lost under Alonso’s watch. This is the man that made Mclaren ditch the Honda engine when their own car was the actual issue.
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the corona quid posted:There’s been several instances where a car’s development has been completely lost under Alonso’s watch. This is the man that made Mclaren ditch the Honda engine when their own car was the actual issue. i was kinda excluding that period because i don't think that the best developmental driver would've been able to fix mclarens shitshow
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Khablam posted:This is a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgXo0509S28 lol "GG boys." What a nerd.
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the corona quid posted:There’s been several instances where a car’s development has been completely lost under Alonso’s watch. This is the man that made Mclaren ditch the Honda engine when their own car was the actual issue. To be fair, it was both the engine and the car that were poo poo. But Ron forcing Honda to size zero the engine 6 months before it was due to start racing really didn't help matters when they had what 2 years lead development time? Also wasn't helped by the stupid engine token system at the time where they couldn't actually fix/develop the engine during the season.
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Jul 8, 2020 00:31
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All these rookie boys seem like nice lads and I can't wait to watch which ones develop egos the size of a small planet over the next decade
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the corona quid posted:There’s been several instances where a car’s development has been completely lost under Alonso’s watch. This is the man that made Mclaren ditch the Honda engine when their own car was the actual issue. There's a big difference between providing feedback to a technical team that disseminates that knowledge properly and sets up proper boundaries on just what kind of information they want and how much. And then you had the McLaren situation where you had Zak Brown basically hand over the entire technical show to Alonso and did everything Alonso wanted in the most impulsive kneejerk reactionary manner.
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Jul 8, 2020 00:32
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Lewis was always a humble lad, who is good and means well. 
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Jul 8, 2020 00:32
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The car didn’t get any better under his Ferrari stint, if anything it went backwards. The engine was nowhere near as bad as people thought it was when Mclaren dropped Honda and I think it’s pretty debatable if it was even that bad the season before.
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:All these rookie boys seem like nice lads and I can't wait to watch which ones develop egos the size of a small planet over the next decade WDC Charles will be a loving monster.
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Jul 8, 2020 00:33
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Alonso’s skill set basically was he is unbelievably quick in the races and could drag better results than most out of a car when motivated. I seriously doubt either of those things are ever going to materialize again.
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I bet he'll hang with Ocon for a season or two, though.
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Serperoth posted:What bugs me with Alonso and Kimi (and to a lesser degree Vettel and Stroll. Hulk and Kubica don't count cause they're out) is how there's decent fast kids out there who could be taking these spots. Kimi is doing nothing (bwoar ice cream and poo poo!) and it's not like the car is improving much with his experience, send him out to pasture and get some kid from F2 in there. Part of the problem is that none of Renault's own younger drivers have superlicenses yet. In fact, I can't think of any F2 drivers that do have them and the ones that do are already in FE (not that they wouldn't jump at the chance in an F1 car). the corona quid posted:There’s been several instances where a car’s development has been completely lost under Alonso’s watch. This is the man that made Mclaren ditch the Honda engine when their own car was the actual issue. The Honda engine was at least 50% of the issue, but the Honda wouldn't have gotten better with McLaren unless they ditched their stupid "Size 0" philosophy. I heard a story that one of the first things Honda did when they moved to Torro Rosso was make the engine 4" longer. MustardFacial fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jul 8, 2020 |
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Jul 8, 2020 00:50
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its max verstappen, he’s the giant ego one george russell and lando norris seem fine comedy option latifi develops a villeneuve sized ego
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Jul 8, 2020 01:05
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i still cant believe that f1 allowed two canadians into f1, canada is an extremely lovely land and we all hate canada
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track day bro! posted:i still cant believe that f1 allowed two canadians into f1, canada is an extremely lovely land and we all hate canada Oh for gently caress's sake are you off to New Zealand too?
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canada: duuuuuuuur look at my lovely country thats 99% barren wasteland, with all the fail elements of america, britain and france? nothing good will ever come from this country let me poo poo cheese on these chips hurrrrrrrrrr
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track day bro! posted:canada: duuuuuuuur look at my lovely country thats 99% barren wasteland, with all the fail elements of america, britain and france? nothing good will ever come from this country let me poo poo cheese on these chips hurrrrrrrrrr I'm sure you and quid meeting up in Auckland can share a laugh over it while watching IndyCar in the local sports bar and making fun of how terrible F1 & Canada is.
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Renault need a name to attract sponsors, they were pinning their hopes on Dan being that guy, but they incompetenced him out. So it's a straight competition between Vettel and Alonso, really. Who else is there? Vettel is clearly and obviously past it, Alonso has passed his peak but is still capable of wringing results out of a car. Some of the Alonso revisionism is ridiculous - even in the worst of the McLaren doldrums he pushed that car further up the order than it had any right to be. He's clearly difficult and he's going to walk all over Renault management for sure, but he will attract attention and sponsors and get more points out of that car than it deserves. And again, who else is there that fits the bill? On Alonso's side it's a chance to close out his career getting reasonable results in a midfield car rather than retiring in a shitbox, and if he sticks it out there's the wafer thin possibility that team gets the 2022 regs right and that last shot to get a third title and go out on a high.
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Tsaedje posted:Renault need a name to attract sponsors, they were pinning their hopes on Dan being that guy, but they incompetenced him out. So it's a straight competition between Vettel and Alonso, really. Who else is there? Vettel is clearly and obviously past it, Alonso has passed his peak but is still capable of wringing results out of a car. Some of the Alonso revisionism is ridiculous - even in the worst of the McLaren doldrums he pushed that car further up the order than it had any right to be. Well, at least Alonso earned his 2x WDCs and didn't fluke into it like Button did.
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Alonso's first WDC was very literally "this is the car on-pace that broke down least" Raikkonen out-drove the poo poo out of him that season.
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Khablam posted:Alonso's first WDC was very literally "this is the car on-pace that broke down least" Honestly if Raikkonen gave a poo poo about qualifying more often, he'd probably place pretty highly for how old he is in F1 years.
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kimi still has race pace given how badly he dumpstered gio in their race duel then again that guy sucks lmao
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Gio is literally just seat warming for Mick.
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Wirth1000 posted:Well, at least Alonso earned his 2x WDCs and didn't fluke into it like Button did. I'm easy to bait, but not this easy
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Tsaedje posted:I'm easy to bait, but not this easy 
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:All these rookie boys seem like nice lads and I can't wait to watch which ones develop egos the size of a small planet over the next decade All famous streamers eventually get banned for saying the gamer word so this doesn't bode well for Lando.
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i didn’t know about that super not good lmao
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:All these rookie boys seem like nice lads and I can't wait to watch which ones develop egos the size of a small planet over the next decade Max. It’s already happened.
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Wirth1000 posted:I'm sure you and quid meeting up in Auckland can share a laugh over it while watching IndyCar in the local sports bar and making fun of how terrible F1 & Canada is. Sorry our borders are closed. Also, no thanks
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Zeta Acosta posted:WDC Charles will be a loving monster. Agreed.
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Red_Fred posted:Max. It’s already happened. Max was born and raised to be a douchebag. He was beaten every time he showed anything remotely resembling basic human decency.
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marshalljim posted:Max was born and raised to be a douchebag. He was beaten every time he showed anything remotely resembling basic human decency. For real? What’s the background on this?
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Red_Fred posted:For real? What’s the background on this? Jos Verstappen is Lowtax's favourite F1 driver.
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Red_Fred posted:For real? What’s the background on this? This and other similarly horrific things.
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The thread's tendency to make jokes about Max having to live with Jos makes me sad. We should all celebrate Max being a good lad who means well despite this.
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Yesssssssss, get hosed forever Mercedes
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Have they considered making a good car?
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Sorry, but Khablam already refuted this as being all made up propaganda by Mercedes to make their cars look really lovely for some reason by showcasing the poor unreliability of their engineering might so you'll definitely go and not buy their cars and get a Toyota instead. And to also make their wins seem like Minardi winning or something.
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