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They didn't mention much about equipment in BG3 in the videos but yeah, I don't remember Divinity having interesting gear. It was mostly just better stats and sometimes the weapons would have a chance to inflict a status effect.
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The big problem with D:OS 2, and what I actually think is legitimate criticism, is that the loot system wasn't very good. No matter how OP your current Helmet of Complete One-Sided Annihiliation +69 was, as soon as you leveled up the garbage-tier helmet you could buy from random vendors would be significantly better no matter what. There was no time or incentive to get attached to a particular piece of equipment. I hope they learn from the reception to that aspect of the game.
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UrbicaMortis posted:They didn't mention much about equipment in BG3 in the videos but yeah, I don't remember Divinity having interesting gear. It was mostly just better stats and sometimes the weapons would have a chance to inflict a status effect. Even with downplaying the gear in DOS (which wasn't close to the worst item system), that is still infinity more interesting with plain items.
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Jul 9, 2020 19:51
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I did see a brief shot in one of the videos of some boots being looted that had the effect of making the wearer immune to webs, which is not a vanilla 5e magic item, which goes to show that Larian are being allowed to make their own magical items. This makes me a lot more hopeful for the item variety in this game, as ordinarily low level 5e D&D has basically fuckall for interesting gear.
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Jul 9, 2020 19:55
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Sickening posted:Even with downplaying the gear in DOS (which wasn't close to the worst item system), that is still infinity more interesting with plain items. If my options were the gear system in DOS2 or no gear at all, I would go with no gear at all. It's by far the worst thing about an otherwise stellar game
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Jul 9, 2020 19:59
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Andrast posted:If my options were the gear system in DOS2 or no gear at all, I would go with no gear at all. I appreciate your honesty about what would or wouldn't make it fun for you. I would say though that the game in your head would have been a financial disaster.
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Jul 9, 2020 20:03
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Sickening posted:I appreciate your honesty about what would or wouldn't make it fun for you. I would say though that the game in your head would have been a financial disaster. OS2 except with no terrible scaling and more interesting itemization is what I really wanted
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Jul 9, 2020 20:07
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Andrast posted:OS2 except with no terrible scaling and more interesting itemization is what I really wanted Sounds good tbh download unity and get cracking
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:Sounds good tbh download unity and get cracking OS2 was indeed pretty fun with a mod that modified the scaling
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Jul 9, 2020 20:17
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Why do you guys get so defensive about literally any criticism of your game
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Sickening posted:In that last video did they talk about weapons, armor, or items at all? Because again, DOS3 with generic weapons and armor is going to be a huge downgrade. My guess is it's going to take its cues from 5th edition D&D, where a character can equip at most three "special" magic items. Items that are just like +1 longsword, +2 leather armor or whatever are unrestricted, but anything that has a unique on-use effect or proc or something has to be "attuned," and a character can only have three attuned items at once. That said, if they do have attunement, that does mean there'll be magic items/relics/etc. that have impactful unique effects.
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Jul 9, 2020 20:21
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Harrow posted:My guess is it's going to take its cues from 5th edition D&D, where a character can equip at most three "special" magic items. Items that are just like +1 longsword, +2 leather armor or whatever are unrestricted, but anything that has a unique on-use effect or proc or something has to be "attuned," and a character can only have three attuned items at once. Have they said they'll have attunement in? That doesn't strike me as very video game-y and I'm not sure it'd translate well to be honest. Capping certain magical items without it and not others would be strange though so I wonder what they have in mind.
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"You have to activate some item abilities by spending an attunement slot" is pretty gamey, imo. It wouldn't even be a complicated UI - show the three attunement slots on the character sheet, empty or filled with a link to the item in question, and on the item itself have a checkbox on the relevant ability that's disabled if you have no free slots.
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Jul 9, 2020 20:38
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I hope they don't limit the number of cool things we can wear tbh.
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Chairchucker posted:I hope they don't limit the number of cool things we can wear tbh. Bring back the bug from Fallout 3 where you can wear infinite hats, but it's your full wardrobe and a feature.
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Phlegmish posted:The big problem with D:OS 2, and what I actually think is legitimate criticism, is that the loot system wasn't very good. No matter how OP your current Helmet of Complete One-Sided Annihiliation +69 was, as soon as you leveled up the garbage-tier helmet you could buy from random vendors would be significantly better no matter what. There was no time or incentive to get attached to a particular piece of equipment. I hope they learn from the reception to that aspect of the game. The definitive edition patch gives you an option to add certain vendors that can upgrade old gear to your current level, but the mechanic is super confusing and and expensive.
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this game needs the bg2 bonus merchants
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Miftan posted:Have they said they'll have attunement in? That doesn't strike me as very video game-y and I'm not sure it'd translate well to be honest. Capping certain magical items without it and not others would be strange though so I wonder what they have in mind. It's not too far off from, say, Destiny's exotics. Destiny 1 and 2 let you equip a total of two exotic-rarity pieces of equipment per character--one weapon, and one armor piece--no matter which slot. If you're wearing exotic boots, you can't wear an exotic helmet, etc. Attunement is basically the same thing only with three slots and it doesn't differentiate between weapon and armor. The easiest way to make it understandable in a video game would just be rarity colors. Color code "normal" magic items, that just have simple numerical bonuses, as blues or greens or something, and items that require attunement as purple or orange. Then just say "you can equip as many blues/greens as you want, but only up to three purples/oranges at a time." D&D 5e actually already has magic item rarities (uncommon -> rare -> very rare -> legendary) but I don't think whether an item requires attunement is neatly divided by rarity--I think there are "rare" items that require attunement and others that don't--but for the purpose of a video game I think it makes sense to just divide it by rarity so it's easy for players to immediately understand. Harrow fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jul 9, 2020 |
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Mailer posted:Same, though for different reasons, with the very important exception of the PoE games. The biggest reason is because in every other game "save vs" might as well read "non-player-characters are immune to this". Pathfinder Kingmaker is literally just BG3. Pathfinder is just the good version of DnD with more classes and stuff. If you had a degree in 2E, you should automatically get a certificate in 3.5 because if you can be comfortable with thac0 and the insane XP and class rules, 3.5 rules are a cakewalk.
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Chairchucker posted:I hope they don't limit the number of cool things we can wear tbh. I think Attunement is good because it doesn't necessitate getting rid of items, item types, etc. and it addresses the potential for obscene stacking without requiring stacking rules. You can collect and keep all of the goodies you find, you just can't benefit from them all simultaneously.
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Khanstant posted:Pathfinder Kingmaker is literally just BG3. Pathfinder is just the good version of DnD with more classes and stuff. If you had a degree in 2E, you should automatically get a certificate in 3.5 because if you can be comfortable with thac0 and the insane XP and class rules, 3.5 rules are a cakewalk. 3.x/PF char-op is way more complex than 2e's especially since feats were a major thing in both and had insane amounts of bloating. This goes to a much further degree for martial types even though they absolutely suck compared to wizards, especially when the entire spell list for those games is allowed like in a P&P rpg.
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Khanstant posted:Pathfinder Kingmaker is literally just BG3. Pathfinder is just the good version of DnD with more classes and stuff. If you had a degree in 2E, you should automatically get a certificate in 3.5 because if you can be comfortable with thac0 and the insane XP and class rules, 3.5 rules are a cakewalk. Kingmaker had a bunch of annoying and bad design features like time limits and cheating on encounters.
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rope kid posted:A/D&D has been doing this with rings forever. I should be allowed to equip 20 rings on each character. 
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Chairchucker posted:I should be allowed to equip 20 rings on each character. Not 21?
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Can't I just shove two or three dozen rings up my rear end one by one and reap the benefits? Like why do they have to be on my fingers?
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Dillbag posted:Can't I just shove two or three dozen rings up my rear end one by one and reap the benefits? Like why do they have to be on my fingers? Reading this post with no context is really awesome.
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Khanstant posted:Pathfinder Kingmaker is literally just BG3. Pathfinder is just the good version of DnD with more classes and stuff. If you had a degree in 2E, you should automatically get a certificate in 3.5 because if you can be comfortable with thac0 and the insane XP and class rules, 3.5 rules are a cakewalk. I'm not going to defend 2nd edition, but at the time it was what I knew so BG being wrapped in it didn't cause me any distress. The point was it's probably always been bad but 3.5/Pathfinder was when I noticed it. When 3rd edition came out I remember reading the rulebook and rolling my eyes at all the stuff in there because it felt like a game designed by and for rules lawyers. I'm definitely the min/maxing that guy in videogames but keep that poo poo off of my table. I was surprised when 5e had what looked like a sane evolution of the simpler game I remembered instead of tables of numbers that read like GURPS.
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Chairchucker posted:Kingmaker had a bunch of annoying and bad design features like time limits and cheating on encounters. And feat taxes! Wizards cant hit poo poo with their spells until they take one or two archery feats.
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You would have to do wheelies in the Tors mountains for like 20 real life minutes for the Kingmaker time limit to affect you in any way
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I refunded Kingmaker when it made me fight hordes of spider swarms with an extremely finite supply of fire bombs & acid flasks which kept missing/not working. Honestly what a loathsome bit of game design
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multijoe posted:I refunded Kingmaker when it made me fight hordes of spider swarms with an extremely finite supply of fire bombs & acid flasks which kept missing/not working. Honestly what a loathsome bit of game design It's still just as bad in the "extended edition" too. All the fights in the game were bollocks but those (even on super easy) are extra bad. I'm going to say 2nd edition D&D is way less complex than anything Pathfinder has. You're just a single class and everyone levels up and does exactly the same. A level 10 fighter in my game (outside of stats) is the same as a level 10 fighter in yours - but that's not the case in pathfinder. Don't get me wrong I like crunchy character stuff but with feats often having bad descriptions and etc it's really not easy to make a decent character without already knowing how the game works from playing tabletop.
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multijoe posted:I refunded Kingmaker when it made me fight hordes of spider swarms with an extremely finite supply of fire bombs & acid flasks which kept missing/not working. Honestly what a loathsome bit of game design I tried to refund after this, but had spent too many hours in character creation (lol thanks pathfinder mechanics). I finally uninstalled after the next encounter which triggered when I rested on a nearby map. A blue flaming skull spawns and instakills your team. I say this as one of the most nostalgic and groggiest people I know for Baldurs Gate, but Pathfinder Kingmaker was just too much grog trap poo poo. Even for me.
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Kingmaker can be a good game with liberal use of cheats and mods at least. And even then the last chapter I just turned down to easy becasue that's where the unfair bs gets turned up to 11. I did enjoy it though (mostly for the characters and story) but yea don't play this vanilla.
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This is sounding more and more like Kingmaker was made by folks who played Baldur's Gate with difficulty mods. Fuckin Tactics mod.
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mitochondritom posted:I tried to refund after this, but had spent too many hours in character creation (lol thanks pathfinder mechanics). I finally uninstalled after the next encounter which triggered when I rested on a nearby map. A blue flaming skull spawns and instakills your team. You rested in a pre-placed camp that was surrounded by corpses and scorch marks and you can kill that enemy with like 1 low level lightning resist spell
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Avalerion posted:Kingmaker can be a good game with liberal use of cheats and mods at least. And even then the last chapter I just turned down to easy becasue that's where the unfair bs gets turned up to 11. I did enjoy it though (mostly for the characters and story) but yea don't play this vanilla. Kingmaker's last few areas were so bad that they really soured my opinion of it for awhile. I quite like the game now in retrospect, but I definitely held a different view immediately after subjecting myself to that garbage. Ended up cheating through the last of it even though that's something I pretty much never do in games otherwise. The only other example I can think of is noclipping through the sewer in Vampire: Bloodlines, which is of extremely similar quality and is mercifully much shorter. When you're worse than the Bloodlines sewers you've really hosed up.
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Just remembered beating BG2 legit but getting tired of ToB and cheating my way through the last half or quarter to see how it ended.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:And feat taxes! Wizards cant hit poo poo with their spells until they take one or two archery feats. Someone made the mistake of trying to be a blaster wizard. Fireball is good and reliable, but almost every other damage doing spell should be replaced with a save or lose type spell, like hold person, sleep, or scare
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ikanreed posted:Someone made the mistake of trying to be a blaster wizard. Blaster arcane trickers are actually silly strong in kingmaker because of how they implemented sneak attack and with touch attacks being one of he more reliable ways to actually hit the bs endgame mobs they throw at you.
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