pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

Remember a time when men would execute themselves in a gruesome fashion when caught doing wrong? Now they just run for a second term.

Biplane posted:

Holy gently caress, was that the cartoon with the underwater smurfalikes, and a dude trapped in a sunken ship???

Elfface posted:

The Snorks was the undersea smurfs, but no idea if there was a guy in a ship. I don;t remember anything else about it than 'underwater smurfs'

Elfface posted:

The Snorks was the undersea smurfs, but no idea if there was a guy in a ship. I don;t remember anything else about it than 'underwater smurfs'

BrianBoitano posted:

They needed to be even more covert than that, because the fix wasn't in the basement. There are a series of angled beams directing corner loads to the center of each face, pointing at the stilts. These were not all concentrated around emergency stairwells, which might have been covert. No, no, this was the era when structural components moved back to the outside, allowing less overall steel use and taller buildings. Citicorp Center was, when built, the 7th tallest building in the world.

The result? Their covert after-hours fix happened in offices and common areas:

Beauty of an architecture component, don't you think?

Another aggravating factor in the vulnerability was introduced, as so many are, in construction when a change of design was proposed. To save money these angled beams were joined not with the originally-planned welds but with cheaper and quicker bolts. This lowered their strength, but calculations showed it'd be fine with the cardinal-directions winds. As Data Graham said, quartering winds weren't considered and the change was approved.

So the fix required welders coming in after-hours, taking off finishing from these structural components, welding on plates over the joints, then refinishing so it looked like all that occurred was a new paint job.


Oh, and a category 4 hurricane headed towards it 6 weeks into the repair. Thankfully it decided to just buzz the east coast and gently caress off to retire someplace vikings used to live.


Another fun thing about the "beams near the outside" design was the need for a tuned mass damper. Basically, this is a huge counterweight in the upper floors which moves to cancel out any vibrations that get started. This was original design, and quickly caught on because besides making it safer it made taller buildings less vomit-inducing.

Here's a fun video showing both the tuned mass damper and the emergency fix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUImgTJHJOw&t=192s

e: added 2 pictures

BrianBoitano posted:

It was also in a politics thread since a feminist author wrote a book about misogyny in architecture and this was brought up as a feminine skyscraper

`Nemesis posted:

I feel like this really undersells what the student had discovered and was asking about. I think I heard him refer to the student using a male pronoun, but her name is Diane. Also she brought much more to the conversation than some idle questions, pretty sure she had figured out something was very wrong with the design and was calling him to figure out if her ideas were right or if there was some other aspect to the design that she didn’t know about.

Edit: talking about the video, not the whole post, sorry.

Biplane posted:

Holy gently caress, was that the cartoon with the underwater smurfalikes, and a dude trapped in a sunken ship???

BrianBoitano posted:

They needed to be even more covert than that, because the fix wasn't in the basement. There are a series of angled beams directing corner loads to the center of each face, pointing at the stilts. These were not all concentrated around emergency stairwells, which might have been covert. No, no, this was the era when structural components moved back to the outside, allowing less overall steel use and taller buildings. Citicorp Center was, when built, the 7th tallest building in the world.

The result? Their covert after-hours fix happened in offices and common areas:

Beauty of an architecture component, don't you think?

Another aggravating factor in the vulnerability was introduced, as so many are, in construction when a change of design was proposed. To save money these angled beams were joined not with the originally-planned welds but with cheaper and quicker bolts. This lowered their strength, but calculations showed it'd be fine with the cardinal-directions winds. As Data Graham said, quartering winds weren't considered and the change was approved.

So the fix required welders coming in after-hours, taking off finishing from these structural components, welding on plates over the joints, then refinishing so it looked like all that occurred was a new paint job.


Oh, and a category 4 hurricane headed towards it 6 weeks into the repair. Thankfully it decided to just buzz the east coast and gently caress off to retire someplace vikings used to live.


Another fun thing about the "beams near the outside" design was the need for a tuned mass damper. Basically, this is a huge counterweight in the upper floors which moves to cancel out any vibrations that get started. This was original design, and quickly caught on because besides making it safer it made taller buildings less vomit-inducing.

Here's a fun video showing both the tuned mass damper and the emergency fix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUImgTJHJOw&t=192s

e: added 2 pictures

dialhforhero posted:

I, too, found this amazing. And to answer the question above: all the loving time. A lot of poo poo gets fixed in time, though.

Architects usually make pretty solid plans, and each piece in a plan needs to be a certain material, torque, etc. However, because money is so important to many people and they don't know what they are talking about, corners get cut all the time by others involved in the building process that probably didn't design it in the first place.

Then, when it gets realized those corners can't be cut they get a band-aid, thus the ever rising price of a building project. Essentially, every time you hear of a project going 'over budget' it's because someone either sold the idea with corners cut and then found out you can't cut them, or someone tried to get corners cut and it caused additional problems.



This is not to say that architects are infallible, rather it's usually someone else that's the idiot.

Piss Meridian posted:

Didn't corner cutting and bandaid literally cause Chernobyl, or was that invented for the show

Johnny Aztec posted:

Wow! The Snorks! Hey, let's all sing the theme song together!

"Come along with the Snorks!"
.......*mumbles something*


Okay, that's all I remember.


They rode seahorses and shoved "Kelpburgers" into the protuberance jutting out their head.


It was pretty much " High school, but underwater?"
Main guy was your All-American sports star, and his lady interest.
There was a Rich bully-type guy. Maybe there was a Rich guy AND a Aggressive jock guy?

Nuts and Gum posted:

This is really fascinating. I wonder just how often society comes close to collapsing (literally and figuratively) and we never know it.

dialhforhero posted:

I, too, found this amazing. And to answer the question above: all the loving time. A lot of poo poo gets fixed in time, though.

Architects usually make pretty solid plans, and each piece in a plan needs to be a certain material, torque, etc. However, because money is so important to many people and they don't know what they are talking about, corners get cut all the time by others involved in the building process that probably didn't design it in the first place.

Then, when it gets realized those corners can't be cut they get a band-aid, thus the ever rising price of a building project. Essentially, every time you hear of a project going 'over budget' it's because someone either sold the idea with corners cut and then found out you can't cut them, or someone tried to get corners cut and it caused additional problems.



This is not to say that architects are infallible, rather it's usually someone else that's the idiot.

Cartoon Man posted:

dialhforhero posted:

This is not to say that architects are infallible, rather it's usually someone else that's the idiot.

Inceltown posted:

#notallmen

Owlkill posted:

I've just realised that liquefied natural gas carriers combine the phallic shape of a tanker with the breast-like qualities of a storage tank thanks to this thread

Milo and POTUS posted:

I think the student didn't get any credit too lol

Owlkill posted:

I've just realised that liquefied natural gas carriers combine the phallic shape of a tanker with the breast-like qualities of a storage tank thanks to this thread

dialhforhero posted:

I, too, found this amazing. And to answer the question above: all the loving time. A lot of poo poo gets fixed in time, though.

Architects usually make pretty solid plans, and each piece in a plan needs to be a certain material, torque, etc. However, because money is so important to many people and they don't know what they are talking about, corners get cut all the time by others involved in the building process that probably didn't design it in the first place.

Then, when it gets realized those corners can't be cut they get a band-aid, thus the ever rising price of a building project. Essentially, every time you hear of a project going 'over budget' it's because someone either sold the idea with corners cut and then found out you can't cut them, or someone tried to get corners cut and it caused additional problems.



This is not to say that architects are infallible, rather it's usually someone else that's the idiot.

StillFullyTerrible posted:

only the money motivation part is capitalism tbh, plenty of soviet projects had some middleman go "bah, how inefficient, i can finish this massive construction effort/sophisticated engineering feat in half the time!" and patted themselves on the back for being so clever until it all went horribly wrong
we're really kind of a fake-it-till-you-make-it species

Owlkill posted:

I've just realised that liquefied natural gas carriers combine the phallic shape of a tanker with the breast-like qualities of a storage tank thanks to this thread

Data Graham posted:

Maybe the best thing about the Citigroup Center debacle is that it was caused by the architect LITERALLY cutting corners

The Lone Badger posted:

LPG is stored in the balls?

captainOrbital posted:

in 2012 we missed a solar superflare by a few days that would have caused "serious damage to electronic systems on a global scale."

It's fun to imagine the idea of a solar flare suddenly destroying our electronics all over the planet. freedom!

captainOrbital posted:

in 2012 we missed a solar superflare by a few days that would have caused "serious damage to electronic systems on a global scale."

It's fun to imagine the idea of a solar flare suddenly destroying our electronics all over the planet. freedom!

Facebook Aunt posted:

Only the ones that are turned on, right? So the old computers and scratched monitors in the back of my closet are safe? Once the electricity was restored I could go right back to playing, uh, Heroes of Might and Magic and the Sims or whatever lives on those ancient hard drives.

AFewBricksShy posted:

I'm probably wrong, but I think a coronal mass ejection can actually induce a current in electronics that are powered off, unless they are in something like a faraday cage.

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

Also how would you play on the old computers when the power grid is shot