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So I made a subtle improvement to that page: Then this happened: Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Jul 10, 2020 |
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i don't like how long it took me to realize what was different about any of those images
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Jul 10, 2020 09:33
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The big guy's nose is upsetting in profile.
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Jul 10, 2020 10:54
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skeleton warrior posted:I mean, what is the action taken by the big ugly guy? He pushed his arm halfway forward, his hair fluttered backwards, and Snout flew back ten feet. Is the intention that he’s just a mega powerful super wizard who can knock Snout aside with the flick of a wrist, or is this just Mookie’s complete lack of ability muddying the scene? If this were a real comic being written by someone who doesn't eat paint, I would say skullet shot a magical blast of wind out of his hand at Snout, which is why he's being pushed backwards in a perfectly straight line and why the pages from his book are being scattered and blown around instead of just falling on the ground. My basis for this would be that the artist didn't draw the windup for a punch before and didn't show me the followthrough of a punch after, so I should not assume a punch has taken place. There would also probably be some motion lines in this version. The actual answer is Mookie doesn't know you're supposed to draw the windup and then the followthrough to a punch without showing the actual impact to make it clear what has actually happened, so I assume next comic they're going to tell us skullet gave Snout an open palm strike like a martial artist. He's definitely got monk on his character sheet from whichever of Mookie's old dnd games he dug him up from, hence the big piece of fabric on his waist. Not that we're going to get an answer to this soon (or ever, realistically) but is skullet an ink witch? Can males be ink witches? Why does inkwich 2.0 need him here? It's not as a bodyguard since the mild edge doesn't actually affect ink magic. EDIT: I also did not notice the face replace was an edit initially. Great job. Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Jul 10, 2020 |
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Jul 10, 2020 11:40
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Van Kraken posted:Imagine witnessing an argument where you have literally no idea what it's about, then intervening when it's over to wordlessly hand one of the participants this while glaring at them: 
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Jul 10, 2020 12:16
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Invisible Clergy posted:It's not as a bodyguard since the mild edge doesn't actually affect ink magic. We have been explicitly shown that it does affect ink magic, with the "wayfinder spell" the ink witch disguised herself as and her ship crashing because of it. Of course, the ink witch could have been lying about that, but I think if that were the case it would have been found out within half a strip.
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Jul 10, 2020 12:48
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Also the ink witch says her getting nude and cuddly is also ink magic because that made it okay.
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Jul 10, 2020 13:05
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There's something about Snout's naivete that is really grating to me. Like here we see that he reacts to conflict like a child, getting angry that people are fighting and deamnding that they stop. And because he's portrayed as so innocent, what we're seeing is like watching someone kick a puppy. But the fact that he's obviously the stand-in for the author, that he's been in all these weird sexual situations with the Ink witch, and that his deafness cutshim off from understanding situations until they are spelled out to him by the other characters just lends this almost fetishistic quality to things, like his relative helplessness and lack of agency is the point. Just feels weird and uncomfortable.
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Jul 10, 2020 14:05
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It's really irritating how Snout keeps getting all self righteous and petulant about people fighting when he genuinely has no idea how valid or not anyone's complaints are. Also he should really just write a sign that says "stop fighting" instead of using the Endings one as if that will mean anything.
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Jul 10, 2020 14:48
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Especially as has been pointed out going by the symbols on her divinations it's like basically the equivalent of a death tarot card, so just angrily pushing it in someone's face could definitely be seen as a threat.
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Jul 10, 2020 14:51
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The Little Death posted:what we're seeing is like watching someone kick a puppy. It's almost impressive how the opposite is true and while I would straight up get mad enough to get my arse kicked over someone kicking a puppy, I'm laughing at this fucker getting repeatedly owned.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:09
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Tesseraction posted:It's almost impressive how the opposite is true and while I would straight up get mad enough to get my arse kicked over someone kicking a puppy, I'm laughing at this fucker getting repeatedly owned. I should have said "what mookie's going for" is the feeling of someone kicking a puppy. Snout doesn't understand the situation and is getting hurt by it, it's supposed to get you angry. It doesn't work, but I just see what Mookie's trying to do and it creeps me out. His treatment of deafness is really terrible. It's gross.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:29
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Snout's problem isn't that he's deaf, it's that he's incredibly stupid.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:49
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This isn't the first piece of media I've seen that seems to equate deafness with "inability to read a room". In reality, Snout just has a very simplistic way of viewing reality that has nothing to do with his disabilities. Which, I suppose, is meant to be charming? It seems like Mookie might be going for the Messiah arc-type, where Snout is meant to be very compassionate and willing to overlook people's flaws for the sake of better understanding them. It's just like, Snout is so bad at understanding, and his attempts at peacekeeping are so simplistic and inept that it's failing to work for me. Also, again, his complete lack of coherent motivation for being involved with this at all keeps distracting from any show of virtue he might have. He's just remarkably incurious despite that supposedly being his defining motivation. Like, you'd think that a character whose driving force is curiosity and compassion might ask these newcomers what's wrong as opposed to angrily shoving a Death tarot in their face when they arrive with grievances against Arudak and Ink Witch that may be entirely justified.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:49
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You'd also think that someone whose defining trait is curiosity wouldn't be living as a hermit a scant few miles away from a city made up of people just like him, but here we are.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:52
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...yeah Snout is just the next prophet of the Word of Deegan, huh. Or at least an overly simplistic and reductionist fundamentalist view of a saint/prophet.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:53
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The Little Death posted:There's something about Snout's naivete that is really grating to me. Like here we see that he reacts to conflict like a child, getting angry that people are fighting and deamnding that they stop. And because he's portrayed as so innocent, what we're seeing is like watching someone kick a puppy. But the fact that he's obviously the stand-in for the author, that he's been in all these weird sexual situations with the Ink witch, and that his deafness cutshim off from understanding situations until they are spelled out to him by the other characters just lends this almost fetishistic quality to things, like his relative helplessness and lack of agency is the point. Just feels weird and uncomfortable. I think the problem is that Mookie sees Snout more as pure than innocent. He’s a simple country boy going on an adventure to satisfy his own curiosity, who doesn’t understand modern society and their conflicts. Mookie’s just so bad at writing that his idea of someone who’s pure is a complete and total idiot. Snout’s so pure that he’s never even experienced basic concepts like buying a book or understands that someone might have ill intentions for him (unless that someone fits a child’s idea of a scary monster, like a demon or a Minotaur). Snout's only personality trait is liking books because it makes him look so pure of heart, and despite it being his sole interest Snout has shown a total lack of knowledge about anything. He only enjoys spooning because it gives him dreams of idyllic countrysides and not cause he gets to rub his gross hog up against a woman he doesn't know. Snout refuses to have a negative opinion about anyone because surely whatever personal beefs they have are just a misunderstanding. And since Mookie just randomly decided to make Snout deaf when he started this comic it's all blended together to look like a pretty insensitive portrayal of someone in that community.
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Jul 10, 2020 15:55
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Yeah a ton of the twitter comments are people who like how good of a guy Snout is. Mookie clearly feeds on that.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:05
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Rotten Red Rod posted:You'd also think that someone whose defining trait is curiosity wouldn't be living as a hermit a scant few miles away from a city made up of people just like him, but here we are. Yeah, this tidbit is still killing me... it feels like Mookie set Snout up as a hermit because it was convenient for cultivating his sense of naivety and not because it suited his personality at all. Hostile V posted:...yeah Snout is just the next prophet of the Word of Deegan, huh. Or at least an overly simplistic and reductionist fundamentalist view of a saint/prophet. That's what I expect, yeah. I imagine that Snout is supposed to be some special new breed of prophet, perhaps specific to some Deegan created school of dream bullshit.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:08
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Riot Bus posted:Yeah, this tidbit is still killing me... it feels like Mookie set Snout up as a hermit because it was convenient for cultivating his sense of naivety and not because it suited his personality at all. More than likely Mookie set Snout up as a hermit because he had no idea where he was going with any of this poo poo more than a few pages ahead.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:14
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PoptartsNinja posted:Snout's problem isn't that he's deaf, it's that he's incredibly stupid. I was about to make some joke about being dear and dumb, and then I remembered that dumb as a general insult came about because of the mistreatment of people with disabilities and then I made myself generally sad and annoyed at myself for thinking of that in the first place. Basically, I'm annoyed at Mookie for reminding me that I'm pond scum.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:18
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Riot Bus posted:That's what I expect, yeah. I imagine that Snout is supposed to be some special new breed of prophet, perhaps specific to some Deegan created school of dream bullshit. What the gently caress does this have to do with Snout? Well. It's been a loving year and 8 days (christ) since this whole revival started and Snout just sticks out as a masterclass in being written by a white American man trying to write a prophet or a saint or what-have-you. The stories are watered-down so the debates over heresy and defending the doctrine you'd see in past religious movements are just like "Snout had a little moment of doubt until he didn't". Snout is purestrain Good Ineffectual Reactive Hero in that he's deaf so you know he's an underdog hero who doesn't fit in with society but will probably affect great cultural change and like American education portrayals of social movements he doesn't do much besides be like "I will stand around and make my statement and that'll be good enough to change minds". He has no agency. All he does is respond to the ever-changing whims of the world around him. Someone else does the heavy lifting and sometimes he has a moment of doubt until he doesn't. Snout is probably one of the more...interesting and effective products of the circumstances that allow him to exist. Like he sucks and he's boring but tracing everything back to the root ingredients and how they're cooked and molded and served by questioning poo poo around us is interesting.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:57
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Hostile V posted:It's been a loving year and 8 days no loving way
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Jul 10, 2020 17:22
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rudecyrus posted:no loving way Or three days since Snout's house exploded, however you prefer to mark the time.
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Jul 10, 2020 18:19
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Everything about Snout's deafness is made infinitely worse by deaf characters like General Amaya here existing (spoilers for The Dragon Prince, season 3. There is no reason, literally none whatsover, for Snout to be this incapable of communication beyond making him seem as childlike and helpless as possible. Like this show went out of its way to add ASL, a complex language which necessitates focus on one of the most difficult parts of the body to draw and animate, and he has this guy holding up pieces of paper with Xs on them when he gets mad about a conversation that, once again, he has been excluded from for no reason.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:31
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Dragon Prince was better than anyone had reason to expect and a large part of that was the sheer effort that was put into it. Meanwhile, Mookie doesn't want to tell a story about a deaf person and has put zero effort into actually researching what life is like for the deaf. He wants to tell a story about a dumb idiot* who feels cut off from the world for reasons Mookie wants to believe are beyond his* control but are directly caused by his* own staggering incompetence; even though Mookie has a powerful need to believe he* could make the whole world better if only people would stop and pay attention to all the important things he* has to say. Despite showing time and time again that he* has nothing to add but his own idle musings and everyone around him* is conspiring to give him* everything he wants. * Mookie or Snout, take your pick PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 00:54
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This is my actual limit. I could take the pointless slapstick filler, the weird and traced art, the character writing that made no sense and the distinct lack of a plot. Reading that at least mostly just left me baffled, and there was some amusement to be found in analysing those slapdash events and drawings that were clearly nonsensical. But this is just... poo poo. It's like the author decided to drop in an entirely different comic strip for no reason other than to try and define a clear villain. It removes even the accidental ambiguity of the earlier characters, adds pointless and shallow conflict but most importantly it is nonsensical in a way that doesn't entertain, it just annoys . We have no idea who these people are other than random assholes, and them attacking Snout for no reason at all doesn't create tension or drama, it just annoys the reader.
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Jul 11, 2020 01:55
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evilmiera posted:We have no idea who these people are other than random assholes, and them attacking Snout for no reason at all doesn't create tension or drama, it just annoys the reader. Sure we do, one is Rannon Mhorgs, and he is evil because he is evil. The other is boobs, and she is evil because boobs.
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Jul 11, 2020 02:10
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It's not even any fun to make fun of because nothing ever actually happens. Good luck, shitposters, I'm out.
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Jul 11, 2020 02:10
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Also Mookie confirmed on Twitter that that the ink witch and the orc guy are "his friends" so we can expect the ambiguity to die for both of them entirely now. https://twitter.com/mookiebean/status/1281620954809085953
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Jul 11, 2020 02:15
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VanSandman posted:It's not even any fun to make fun of because nothing ever actually happens. I am in this until the end. I will not allow Mookie to defeat me.
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Jul 11, 2020 02:19
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i can not loving believe he's walking around in some good 'ol boy overalls with "DEAF" written on the front holy poo poo
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Jul 11, 2020 02:45
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evilmiera posted:This is my actual limit. I could take the pointless slapstick filler, the weird and traced art, the character writing that made no sense and the distinct lack of a plot. Reading that at least mostly just left me baffled, and there was some amusement to be found in analysing those slapdash events and drawings that were clearly nonsensical. It is an extremely mookie thing to see readers being conflicted about your characters and to think "oh no, I didn't want my characters to have this much depth!". It sucks even more because we can tell mookie has poo poo-all for character plans. We know that the Ink Witch is a designated good guy because he wants to gently caress her and that's all, there's probably a handful of things that mookie wants to have happen to resolve the ~mystery of Dominic Deegan~ by the end of Legacy and that everything else is freeform around them (to the point that the real villain introduction was clearly fast-tracked to ensure no-one thinks the Ink Witch might be a bad person again). So he has the creative freedom to pick up the accidental depth of character and rework the Ink Witch's role in the story into something neat or interested, and he is refusing that freedom. We know mookie's not reading this thread because he did react to criticism on a different platform, but in the off chance that that's wrong: it's not too loving late to muddle the waters and make the Ink Witch something other than a good guy. You can still do it. fake edit: also give the Ink Witch a loving name it's tiring to write that out every time jesus gently caress
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Jul 11, 2020 08:31
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Pyrotoad posted:Everything about Snout's deafness is made infinitely worse by deaf characters like General Amaya here existing (spoilers for The Dragon Prince, season 3. There is no reason, literally none whatsover, for Snout to be this incapable of communication beyond making him seem as childlike and helpless as possible. Like this show went out of its way to add ASL, a complex language which necessitates focus on one of the most difficult parts of the body to draw and animate, and he has this guy holding up pieces of paper with Xs on them when he gets mad about a conversation that, once again, he has been excluded from for no reason. For the rest of that, I've heard some good stuff about The Dragon Prince, but that's pretty cool. It's also a brutal condemnation for how half-assedly Snout's deafness has affected the story. Elysiume fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jul 11, 2020 |
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Jul 11, 2020 09:18
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Marin Karin posted:i can not loving believe he's walking around in some good 'ol boy overalls with "DEAF" written on the front holy poo poo DEAF or DGAF? 
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Jul 11, 2020 14:31
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Elysiume posted:For the rest of that, I've heard some good stuff about The Dragon Prince, but that's pretty cool. It's also a brutal condemnation for how half-assedly Snout's deafness has affected the story. Overall, it’s decent, but it unfortunately took until the last season for it to start really feeling like a worthy successor to Avatar... and even then, it had it’s stumbles. Mainly for the exact opposite reason than this strip: it paced itself a bit too fast at points.
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Jul 11, 2020 16:26
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Jul 11, 2020 16:49
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This may end up being a more insulting depiction of the hearing impaired than The Quiet Man.
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Jul 11, 2020 19:09
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Jul 11, 2020 19:12
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Maxwell Lord posted:This may end up being a more insulting depiction of the hearing impaired than The Quiet Man. They both made their deaf protagonists look like morons, but I think I agree. If nothing else the Quiet Man didn't come off as utterly infantile. I think that's what impresses me. Mookie managed to make an incredibly insulting character completely by accident because off his inability to write a character with agency.
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