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i really hate the old guy, which i think is the intended response to him since he's unambigiously a predator, and i hope that Jun gets out of this relationship mr fahrenheit's last email hit pretty hard 
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Cephas posted:Are there any good manga that deal with being lesbian, bi, or trans with that kind of heavier, psychological treatment? I feel like most of the gay psychological dramas I've read are mostly about gay guys, like this one and Shimanami Tasogare. Trans ones I can think of off the top of my head are bokura no hentai and that one seifuku one about the three hot mess characters and their awful relationships Have you already read My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness?
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Jul 19, 2020 02:30
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Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness, I guess bc it's nonfiction it didn't cross my mind. It's really good. I was so happy to see that the sequel, My Solo Exchange Diary, was for sale at Barnes & Noble.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:43
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Cephas posted:Are there any good manga that deal with being lesbian, bi, or trans with that kind of heavier, psychological treatment? I feel like most of the gay psychological dramas I've read are mostly about gay guys, like this one and Shimanami Tasogare. Trans ones I can think of off the top of my head are bokura no hentai and that one seifuku one about the three hot mess characters and their awful relationships h-hime... himegoto? Does that count or no?
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Jul 19, 2020 04:29
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Octave and The Feelings We All Must Endure are probably worth reading if you haven't.Toalpaz posted:h-hime... himegoto? Does that count or no? That's the one with the three hot mess characters and their awful relationships, yes. It's good.
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Jul 19, 2020 04:30
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I -loved- himegoto. I love trashy people.
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Jul 19, 2020 04:38
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Cephas posted:Are there any good manga that deal with being lesbian, bi, or trans with that kind of heavier, psychological treatment? I feel like most of the gay psychological dramas I've read are mostly about gay guys, like this one and Shimanami Tasogare. Trans ones I can think of off the top of my head are bokura no hentai and that one seifuku one about the three hot mess characters and their awful relationships I forget the name offhand but there's the one about the crossdressing cafe, somewhat? Someone here definitely knows what I mean.
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Jul 19, 2020 05:23
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Acerbatus posted:I forget the name offhand but there's the one about the crossdressing cafe, somewhat? Someone here definitely knows what I mean. LOVE ME FOR WHO I AM, but it isn't really what I would call psychological drama.
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Jul 19, 2020 05:24
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Toalpaz posted:LOVE ME FOR WHO I AM, but it isn't really what I would call psychological drama. Depends on the chapter. While there's a lot of fun maid café antics, there's also a lot of mental struggle and attempts to deal with past trauma. I can very much recommend that manga, by the way.
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Jul 19, 2020 11:59
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They're asking for something a lot heavier than even the heavier chapters of Love Me, is the thing. Like it gets into the psychology of things and characters have stuff to unpack but the gay dude manga they're asking for things similar to but about lesbians had a suicide attempt, a guy with a lover who was like three times his age, and a scene where the MC yells at his mother that he hates her for giving birth to him.
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Jul 19, 2020 15:17
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It would be nice to see some trans representation in manga that isn’t cutesy happy perfect funtime, or near-pornography. I don’t see myself in manga which is often the point, but...it’s hard to actually relate to any of it. That’s why I really liked the autobiographical works, rare as they are.
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Jul 19, 2020 17:57
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Endorph posted:They're asking for something a lot heavier than even the heavier chapters of Love Me, is the thing. Like it gets into the psychology of things and characters have stuff to unpack but the gay dude manga they're asking for things similar to but about lesbians had a suicide attempt, a guy with a lover who was like three times his age, and a scene where the MC yells at his mother that he hates her for giving birth to him. I remember asking about that awhile back and people not really having much in the way of yuri, that seems to be more yaoi territory for whatever reason. People did have a few yaoi recs though.
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Jul 19, 2020 19:04
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if you want yuri that digs deep into the self-loathing that comes with being a lesbian, id recommend madoka magica rebellion
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Jul 19, 2020 19:17
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Ch 9 of the angsty gay manga was released, and ive been wondering if it will do that thing of 'the gay critic is actually super gay and projecting' re: ono, the guy who was the leading cause of jumping through the window
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Jul 19, 2020 19:54
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Endorph posted:if you want yuri that digs deep into the self-loathing that comes with being a lesbian, id recommend madoka magica rebellion That's true. I guess Madoka Rebellion and Utena are the lesbian psychodramas I was looking for. Still thinkin about Homuchan and her feelings after all these years.
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Jul 19, 2020 20:42
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Ch 9 of the angsty gay manga was released, and ive been wondering if it will do that thing of 'the gay critic is actually super gay and projecting' re: ono, the guy who was the leading cause of jumping through the window Oh, 100%, that's being foreshadowed super hard in this chapter.
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Jul 20, 2020 04:50
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Read Gunjo by Nakamura Ching
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Jul 21, 2020 06:20
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quote:The story of a woman who asks the lesbian who is in love with her to kill her husband and live their life on the road after the deed is done. Ooooooo 
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Jul 21, 2020 06:41
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Jul 21, 2020 13:12
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i like HM05 Flash
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Jul 21, 2020 13:34
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I still don't know what the tl was thinking, unerringly using 'homo' for Every. Single. Instance. of the concept.
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Jul 21, 2020 13:35
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i've come out to a few people by saying 'im a homo' because i saw a manga chapter on here years ago where a dude almost gets in a fight with another dude he doesn't know due to outside people egging him on and they end up making up and he tells the guy this really long story about how he got to this point and then te dude just says "im a homo" and the chapter ends and it was funny as hell to me. wish i knew what that was from... alright, what's the 'i like homos' manga. e; its on the previous page DisDisDis fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 14:32
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For me homo is an outdated slur in English I never hear outside of re-runs of films from the tubular 90s, and in another language I speak the word (same pronunciation) it just means human. So now it just sort of confuses me every time I see it in English where the fashion isn't skater dude terrible.
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Jul 21, 2020 14:39
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DisDisDis posted:i've come out to a few people by saying 'im a homo' because i saw a manga chapter on here years ago where a dude almost gets in a fight with another dude he doesn't know due to outside people egging him on and they end up making up and he tells the guy this really long story about how he got to this point and then te dude just says "im a homo" and the chapter ends and it was funny as hell to me. wish i knew what that was from... I wanna know what this is as well
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Jul 21, 2020 14:44
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read the edit man
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Jul 21, 2020 14:46
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I've had a couple of friends who have used "homo" irreverently, usually when referring to themselves. Same with "lesbo," which now that I think about it doesn't bother me except that the bo makes it sound like an insult instead of the name of an island, which is probably why middle schoolers liked it so much. I know some ppl who have been trying to reclaim "that's so gay" but I will never abide that, gently caress middle schooler language. Anyway I think using "homos" in 2020 feels kind of crude but it's not offensive to me. A scanslator sticking to "homos" is a lot less egregious to me than that weird trend a while back of translating otokonoko as "girlyboy"
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Pollyanna posted:It would be nice to see some trans representation in manga that isn’t cutesy happy perfect funtime, or near-pornography. I don’t see myself in manga which is often the point, but...it’s hard to actually relate to any of it. That’s why I really liked the autobiographical works, rare as they are. Four Sisters Starting Today? Not as heavy as what's being discussed but definitely not cutesy happy perfect funtime either.
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"Homo" and "lesbo" are also the standard non-offensive terms in multiple languages, with no more unpleasant connotations than gay or lesbian in English, so if you want to dig for a charitable interpretation I don't think "maybe this stranger on the internet who translates pirated comic books into a different language as a hobby is a foreigner" isn't anywhere near as big a leap as what some of us have made to justify much more egregious translation decisions.
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Jul 21, 2020 15:09
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dogsicle posted:read the edit man There's so many manga on the last page I ain't reading all of them for a chuckle
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Jul 21, 2020 15:10
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I can't get past the art. I'm shallow.
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the arts really fuckin good  GorfZaplen posted:There's so many manga on the last page I ain't reading all of them for a chuckle https://mangadex.org/title/34732/she-likes-homos-not-me the other manga i referenced i nthat post i think i asked about in the seinen thread once years later and someone told me what it was but that was like years ago too
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DisDisDis posted:the arts really fuckin good I won't disagree, but I don't like it. The ears are just too fuckin weird. I was kinda eh on the story otherwise anyways. I'm glad it exists and would like if more stuff like it came out, though. e: I think I'd like the story if it was a bit more grounded. I don't need stories to be 100% realistic or anything but it just didn't grab me for reasons I can't quite articulate. Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 16:30
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not the deep psychological drama that one poster was asking about but if you search the non moe art tag on dynasty there's a bunch of old comics from lesbian mags like anise where serious looking women murder their husbands and do drugs and then scissor eachother (not necessarily in this order) if you want something with more edge than usual
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Jul 21, 2020 16:31
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the art is the best part of gunjo as for the homo comic, the word choice weirds me out, but mostly because it's a word i've encountered like once every six months in the past five or more years and then suddenly bam it's like on every page and it feels super weird
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Acerbatus posted:I won't disagree, but I don't like it. The ears are just too fuckin weird. personally i really hated how the part with the lesbian's ex went i weirdly kinda grew up with this manga due to how long it took to release so i cant give a v useful summary beyond 'i like it'
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I was more commenting on the fact that nothing but 'homo' was used than if being used at all. Like, there were many times where it would sound much better and less awkward to just use 'gay' rather than 'homo'.
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a cartoon duck posted:the art is the best part of gunjo maybe there are really good scenes too but when I think of the art I think of stuff like this which is just... not good?  DisDisDis posted:personally i really hated how the part with the lesbian's ex went how far in was that, or for that matter is it still ongoing? I only read like 6 chapters. I think the reason I don't like it is I don't find the protagonists interesting or sympathetic, and also kinda dim. I like the premise but since I don't like the characters I don't find it engaging. I know a big part of it is the weird abusive sorta co-dependent relationship the two have going on, but it seemed like it would've been more in character for the one woman to just let the other one take the rap for everything and move on, idk. Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 16:39
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Not manga but I'll recommend the two Qiu Maojin novels Notes of a Crocodile and Last Words from Montmartre for lesbian stuff. Start with Notes I'd say cuz it's more colorful/funny even at times and ends hopefully, and she took her own life right after completing Last Words iirc. Reminds me a lot of Dazai if you've read any of his stuff (I only did No Longer Human). Also I was a literal teenager when I read Last Words I should probably reread it lol. I can't give a sensitive/smart sounding sell rn cuz i didnt sleep all night
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DisDisDis posted:personally i really hated how the part with the lesbian's ex went i think i forgot that part until you mentioned it. tell me if i'm wrong but wasn't it like she finally accepts it's time to move on from her ex, but then just kinda randomly falls asleep in the bath rub and drowns? it sounds silly typing it out but i think that's how it went
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Acerbatus posted:maybe there are really good scenes too but when I think of the art I think of stuff like this which is just... not good? It's finished. The bit with the ex is further in than that i think and is the only bit that felt like contrived melodrama rather than just 'poo poo sucks' (the rest of it is still very downtrodden.) There's development of their relationship and major catharsis in the end I really liked but no idea how you'd feel about it e; cartoon duck yes, it loving blows lol, but i just remembered now it sets up Important Plot Events later which are v well handled imo, but then it feels so 'done to set up important plot events later' you feel kinda lovely about it
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