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FlamingLiberal posted:Is 343 the worst studio with a major IP? I’m thinking yes There might be worse but idk if there's anyone else who was specifically built from the ground up to make just one game who not only failed to make a good one of those games but also failed at a rolling start where all they had to do was remaster some of the old ones. Fat_Cow posted:The Pathing holy poo poo
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Stux posted:i think ea probably has some stuff that beats it but 343 are def up there halo's still going after a few failed tries, but it only took bioware one game to kill mass effect, one of the biggest franchises of the entire 360/ps3 gen (...one and a half games, i guess, but while people might have been pissed about mass effect 3's ending it seemed like people were still rooting for a new mass effect, in theory)
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Pirate Jet posted:I haven’t played Halo since Reach. I thought the point of the new trilogy was building up a rampant Cortana as the villain? Have we just forgotten about that, who’s that generic bland orc rear end in a top hat at the end of the preview I was apparently supposed to be real intimidated by They state in the IGN stuff this will be closing out that storyline and setting up the storyline going forward.
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Pirate Jet posted:I haven’t played Halo since Reach. I thought the point of the new trilogy was building up a rampant Cortana as the villain? Have we just forgotten about that, who’s that generic bland orc rear end in a top hat at the end of the preview I was apparently supposed to be real intimidated by They straight up admitted today that this story line was stupid and so they have changed it back to the Covenant being the threat again.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So it's a Games as Service title. Like Destiny
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abraham linksys posted:halo's still going after a few failed tries, but it only took bioware one game to kill mass effect, one of the biggest franchises of the entire 360/ps3 gen
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Pirate Jet posted:I haven’t played Halo since Reach. I thought the point of the new trilogy was building up a rampant Cortana as the villain? Have we just forgotten about that, who’s that generic bland orc rear end in a top hat at the end of the preview I was apparently supposed to be real intimidated by It sold poorly. The only curve america flattened was 343 halo series sales
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Stux posted:the ps4 has been per unit profitable since 6 months after launch, the xbone after about 12 months When you factor in marketing, shipping, and operation costs they still likely lose money. You don't often get a profit when the hardware is only $10 to 20 cheaper than the selling price. Apple makes a killing on iPhones because they cost less than half to make than they are sold for. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:When you factor in marketing, shipping, and operation costs they still likely lose money. i mean that analysis says the manufacturing was actually below sell price at launch but other stuff pushed into a per unit loss. this ended within 6 months for ps4 and 12 months for xbone (kinect lmao), which we know from both companies yelling about it in their financial reviews. last gen was horrific for both of them on hardware. the 360 couldve been profitable overall eventually but the rrod thing demolished profit margins, and the ps3 was so ridiculously expensive to make and did so poorly it caused severe issues for sony. that directly led to this gens production costs being much more sensible and both of them aiming for per unit profit, although i think the xbonex mightve messed this up for ms? the ps4 pro was profitable day one, as was stuff like the psvr. i dont think they have any interest in ever trying to loss lead heavily and for a protracted period ever again. sony at least, ms might just because they have far far far more financial backup and it matters a lot less if their gaming stuff is losing money to build them a brand. they obviously dont need to aim for as high a margin as someone like apple who makes most of their money off of it, but even a $10 margin on the majority of 100-150 million sales is an incredible amount of money. again the end of that very article says that part of the reason for moving on to a new gen is a slowing in hardware sales, but this wouldnt matter if we were to go off of people saying "they dont want new generations they want to just sell games on one platform forever". also please dont take the stuff all these weirdo "analysts" say seriously its such a trash industry of just making 50% of what you say up wholesale. even going off of stuff like how much it mightve cost them to make is tough to quantify without actually knowing their costs, its all custom built hardware. its difficult to know what those costs are, or what savings they gain from moving up in scale.
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Woke up at 4am in Australia to see the scoop and despite cautious expectations they managed to heavily disappoint. I'm leaning towards ps5 despite preferring Xbox in general.
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fwiw with the game pass model being "subscription gets you games, but you still pay for DLC"... I'm expecting a lot more "live games" goin forward they can't charge for Halo Infinite 2, but they can charge for Halo Infinite Season 2
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abraham linksys posted:fwiw with the game pass model being "subscription gets you games, but you still pay for DLC"... I'm expecting a lot more "live games" goin forward The Outer Worlds DLC is planned to do that model
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes i could see that yeah, Destiny's also doing expansions on Game Pass but seasons will be individual purchases I do wonder about the lifespan of these things. Like, the next Forza apparently is not Forza 8, and I wonder if the goal is to make it a live game. Does Forza work as a game with a four, five year life cycle? Will these games get "reboots" with new graphics or large new worlds, like what appears to be happening with PSO2? If you're going to be playing the same games for years, what's the point of Game Pass, when it'd be cheaper to just buy Halo Infinite and Forza outright as long as you're playing them for more than four months, considering you're paying for the DLC either way? abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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abraham linksys posted:yeah, Destiny's also doing expansions on Game Pass but seasons will be individual purchases Who knows, MS is going full bore on the services stuff it seems. Guess we'll see if something like Forza can sustain that, I assumed they just got rid of the number cause when you're getting up to like the 8th iteration it looks weird.
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PS5/PC is definitely the combo of champions, especially when garnished with a Switch. Get your main console fix on PS5, get games that perform better on PC as well as the few games that don't make it to PS5.
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abraham linksys posted:yeah, Destiny's also doing expansions on Game Pass but seasons will be individual purchases yeah its almost like moving to a big sub model wasnt done to sacrifice potential income for the good of the consumer
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I said come in! posted:They straight up admitted today that this story line was stupid and so they have changed it back to the Covenant being the threat again. The Covenant isn't in this game at all so far.
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FlamingLiberal posted:‘Please play our game for 10 years’ is all I am hearing "We're not allowed to make any more Halo games" is what I'm hearing. Like we were talking about 343 deserving a big reckoning for their sins and like...maybe this is it? I couldn't tell you what possible Halo game they actually want to make but I can tell you exactly what sort of Halo game an MS executive with Gamepass on the brain would make and it's a games-as-service foreverial upgradeable microtransaction machine. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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abraham linksys posted:yeah, Destiny's also doing expansions on Game Pass but seasons will be individual purchases Ideally there are at least full price three games (basing this on gpu at $180 a year) this coming out each year you'd want to, but if they're moving more towards services and sell you dlc, that drops the appeal of keeping gamepass going. It's gonna be interesting to see how it goes but this feels like Microsoft is forcing a push into focusing on a new model. And look what happened to them with always online for 2013.
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General Battuta posted:The Covenant isn't in this game at all so far. You know exactly what he meant, don't be a pedant.
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See I think something like Forza as a service is not a terrible idea. It’s when you take a franchise that is story-heavy and try to make it a GAS game that I get annoyed.
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Forza is already pushing it with how much Buy me! Buy me! poo poo they do in a supposedly 60 dollar game I would not be looking forward to what it would look like when that's the entire idea.
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Real hurthling! posted:Time to just get a pc It's always that time.
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Having said that I would definitely give Microsoft money to have the Japanese drift mountain back in whatever forza is on gamepass at the moment
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Having said that I would definitely give Microsoft money to have the Japanese drift mountain back in whatever forza is on gamepass at the moment Drift mountain isn't in the Xbox. It's in the controller.
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I still really want to get a chance to watch that footage at full 4k/60fps but now I really want Digital Foundry to chime in on all this and break it down some. Also... someone thought 'yes these are the screenshots we've taken that we feel best represent the graphical fidelity of this game, send them to the press'... like you could randomly take a screenshot at a bad moment in a game from footage, but these are the ones they specifically selected to put in their press kit.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:You know exactly what he meant, don't be a pedant. Pedants? HERE!?!?
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Red Warrior posted:I still really want to get a chance to watch that footage at full 4k/60fps but now I really want Digital Foundry to chime in on all this and break it down some. This is really what I'm waiting for. I think they are gonna tear it up. Maybe not the Forza stuff but oh boy a lot of the other stuff for sure.
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American McGay posted:DF guys are chuds What the gently caress are you on about
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American McGay posted:I don't think I've ever actually seen them tear into a big studio before. Pretty much
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That fable trailer was interesting. Looks like the dev team is into vore
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Quantum of Phallus posted:What the gently caress are you on about You see when someone does something that you don't like they are a chud.
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