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slidebite posted:Oh god, I hope not. That would have significant impacts on everyone, not just rear end in a top hat shortsighted billionaires. https://twitter.com/djulik/status/1286053695956881409 I’m so happy that some US corporation has the ability to completely gently caress up the sky in the name of unproven broadband. This isn’t even close to the final amount they want to launch. When a company has to continually launch satellites forever to keep a network in operation... maybe it’s not sustainable.
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The more I read or hear about Musk the more he seems like a complete pillock. If someone is living somewhere with electricity, they can and should have a (subsidized) wire strung for broadband. I don’t see the reasoning in being able to blanket every square inch with spotty network access reliant on a fleet of soon to be space junk.
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What does having electricity have to do with it? There are diesel generators that serve communities well out of the way of a strung wire. Not that I'm in favour of the space pollution though.
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odiv posted:What does having electricity have to do with it? There are diesel generators that serve communities well out of the way of a strung wire. Yep, sure, there will be special cases but blanketing everywhere is stupid and pointless. Hell most of the internet traffic to southern vancouver island used to go over microwave transmission towers. There are a whole host of other, more sensible options than “cover everything with a fleet of tinysats”
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Yeah, we're in agreement about sensible options. I just figured a lot of the idea behind this whole thing was to cover the "special cases".
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I know most of you don't care because you don't need it, but having pretty quick satellite internet will still be good for a lot of people. I don't care who does it because who gaf about brands but it would happen sooner or later. It's good to see these problems now imo and maybe we'll see something actually be done about them. I would rather see such a global installation run by more than one company, but i guess that'll come.
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Oh for sure, let's have the 400,000 satellites in low orbit for amazon and spacex and apple and google. Who cares really?
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Yeah doing it without any kind of real oversight in the tech-bro-yest way possible is what ticks me off. There should be some kind of consideration of a shitload of things but nah let’s just shoot all this poo poo into orbit why not.
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mediaphage posted:I know most of you don't care because you don't need it, but having pretty quick satellite internet will still be good for a lot of people. I don't care who does it because who gaf about brands but it would happen sooner or later. It's good to see these problems now imo and maybe we'll see something actually be done about them. I believe it's possible to service remote areas with terrestrial infrastructure but the main roadblock is spectrum licensing, according to a small ISP operator who posts in this thread. The spectrum license just goes to the big three who then sit on it because providing internet services to small communities isn't profitable enough to them. Most of my ISP knowledge has to do with wired service to the premises so I'd love to hear more about the finer details of wireless ISPs.
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It's a long con to both trap humanity on the planet, and sell safe passage routes through the Skynet to NASA. 
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Coxswain Balls posted:I believe it's possible to service remote areas with terrestrial infrastructure but the main roadblock is spectrum licensing, according to a small ISP operator who posts in this thread. The spectrum license just goes to the big three who then sit on it because providing internet services to small communities isn't profitable enough to them. Ish. That still requires transmitters and receivers, and there will still be communities that can't easily take advantage of it. I think cheap fast satellite is honestly gonna be a game changer in many ways (including perhaps getting govs to open up some spectra as you suggest, as companies push to monetize it (or municipally run networks?? (lol))). I see a network of satellites like this as something that is simply a matter of time. If teslanet doesn't do it, someone else will be in the next five years. in that vein, i think it makes more sense to pressure governments to pass laws regarding things like reflectivity, etc. of satellites launched / operated within their jurisdiction rather than just try and stop it outright (of course, nothing stopping you from doing both i guess if you feel strongly about it). mediaphage fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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mediaphage posted:Ish. That still requires transmitters and receivers, and there will still be communities that can't easily take advantage of it. I think cheap fast satellite is honestly gonna be a game changer in many ways (including perhaps getting govs to open up some spectra as you suggest, as companies push to monetize it (or municipally run networks?? (lol))). You know that old saying? Fast, Cheap, Reliable, Choose 2? That applies here. This satellite play isn't going to be cheap, as much as the musk mob fanbois want you to believe you're getting symmetrical gigabit 1ms latency for $50 with no setup cost. This is stupid. You're going to see $100+ per month, $2000 setup, varying degrees of latency from 30-200ms, signal issues, weather problems, poor installs. It's not going to be a "game changer". It's going to be a method for people with lots of money who want to live off the grid and their job enables them to work online to survive. Nothing more. Anyone who wants to change the world has already moved into an area that can provide them with internet. As I've mentioned before, there's nothing stopping the government from opening up swaths of spectrum for ISP's and just letting people go hog wild. Open up some 2.5GHz frequency, put in some high powered LTE, you'll get signal and it will work fine. The government wants to "auction" off this spectrum to get more revenue. In reality the auctions are just between Bell, Telus and Rogers. You can have a system right now that would coordinate spectrum with other operators, allow anyone to use the spectrum to provide services, and deploy reliable 100+Mb/s internet to the boonies where people want to live. Right this second, the government could flick the switch and we'd be there.
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There were some small communities we serviced that had wireless backhaul, although I can't remember if it was microwave or satellite. I remember one where the guy who lived down the hill from the headend got free service for occasionally going to the dish and brushing off the snow to make his community's internet and TV work properly again, which I found quaint.
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Look at this poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaqO-rup65w I'm really looking forward to seeing how people install these. All of sudden you have a huge influx of people who don't know what they're doing trying to mount a dish to their roof, run ethernet inside, make sure it's not leaking into their roofs, put the router in a good spot for their house, and pray it doesn't snow. We have thousands of customers and each one is installed by one of our staff, specifically so our radio gets the best signal possible from a tower, proper grounding, router placed central to their house for best coverage possible, extenders installed if required. Spacex approach... "Or just throw it on your lawn or in your garden or whatever it's got motors in it" -elonmusk. Nitr0 fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Oh yea it's also dummy huge lol. Look at that "pizza box". Gotta overcome weather somehow right, can't use more power so you have to make your antenna bigger. My customers would laugh and boot us off the property if they saw we were going to install this huge thing on their roof. Looks like a 2.5ft antenna. Gross.
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I don't know what's more funny, the face censoring despite the person's username and face showing up in the video and thumbnail, or the snitches in the comments.Nitr0 posted:Oh yea it's also dummy huge lol. Look at that "pizza box". Gotta overcome weather somehow right, can't use more power so you have to make your antenna bigger. I thought it was a coffee table at first.
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Nitr0 posted:You know that old saying? Fast, Cheap, Reliable, Choose 2? That applies here. All of that is still going to be better for some people in rural areas, some of whom barely even get cellular service. If you want to get the other wireless ISPs started, I fully support those endeavours too. I just think there is middle-ground between "best internet ever" and "muskfans manage yet another helping of cock" mediaphage fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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I disagree, the very logistics of making sure a satellite company consistently launches satellites every 2nd week, forever in order to keep the network operational is ridiculous. What happens when spacex goes tits up and they can't launch more starlink satellites? Everyone who was paying for service has now got nothing, or spacex goes seeking government funds and uses the users as leverage for a bailout.
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What happens when transceivers fail and they can't guide the dead ones into the ocean
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spacex already said they don't care, they've designed the sats to "burn up" even though there's been substantial claims from other scientists that this is impossible and there's a not 0% chance that aluminum will withstand the forces of re-entry and crash into someone or something. There's also no mechanism to steer them into the ocean, so we have no idea what will happen until these things start plummeting back to earth in a couple years.
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Mister Facetious posted:What happens when transceivers fail and they can't guide the dead ones into the ocean Apparently they're supposed to be fully autonomous and will be able to do orbit adjustments and collision avoidance on their own. Musk companies have a pretty good track record with that. (Ah hahahahahahah)
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Coxswain Balls posted:Apparently they're supposed to be fully autonomous and will be able to do orbit adjustments and collision avoidance on their own. Musk companies have a pretty good track record with that. Well, Musk's products are certainly good at crashing and/or burning by themselves. 
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Coxswain Balls posted:Apparently they're supposed to be fully autonomous and will be able to do orbit adjustments and collision avoidance on their own. Musk companies have a pretty good track record with that. Good thing there are no firetrucks in orbit
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Mister Facetious posted:What happens when transceivers fail and they can't guide the dead ones into the ocean The serious answer is that they fall out of orbit by themselves within about a year. All satellites in low earth orbit require boosting to stay up or their orbit rapidly decays due to atmospheric drag. The major limit to satellite operational life is the amount of propellant carried onboard. Refuelling in orbit is not yet possible.
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"Yeah, they crash back to Earth by design, but if you pay a little extra, we guarantee it won't crash in your country."
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They're too small to survive re-entry
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Pivo posted:They're too small to survive re-entry Citation needed.
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Nitr0 posted:Citation needed. He got 2/3rds of the way through a pilots license and once nearly few a Beechcraft into LEO.
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Elon May He Rain... Satellites Down Upon Us
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Nitr0 posted:Citation needed. https://www.space.com/13049-6-biggest-spacecraft-falls-space.html For example UARS was 6.5 tons and NASA estimates 532kg survived re-entry, about 10% of the mass. Starlink satellites weigh about 227kg. That isn't going to "crash" into anything.
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Pivo posted:https://www.space.com/13049-6-biggest-spacecraft-falls-space.html roughly similar orbits, too
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Nitr0 posted:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/spacexs-starlink-could-cause-cascades-of-space-junk/SpaceX%92s/ Your url is broken (just remove the last bit), but also that article doesn't even suggest that they shouldn't launch - just that someone should keep an eye on them.
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Pivo posted:They're too small to survive re-entry
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My internet has been out since Saturday. The ISP (eyesurf) says that the modem isn't getting signal and keep sending techs to fix the line. The techs (Rogers) claim that the line has signal and it's the ISP's fault. As you can imagine, this isn't a very productive relationship. What can I do rather than move closer to a Starbucks so I can steal their wifi?
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Do what my friend did for a year, get a USB wifi dongle, put it in a dollar store metal mixing bowl, and point that at the Starbucks.
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I was wondering why we got a Telus overage fee when they are waiving overage fees during the pandemic, but it looks like they specifically said "Until June 30th". Cool cool good thing the pandemic is over and we're not working from home anymore. On the upside, my work is going to reimburse me for it and I might get a 15 dollar a month pandemic 'raise' to purchase unlimited 
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After a week of back and forth with Shaw support they are now saying my random 5 minute bursts of 50% packet loss that happen 2-4 times a day that started only a week ago are coax quality issues somewhere between the wall and the CMTS in the sac box on the street. I rent. I can't fish through the walls to replace all the coax on a whim. I love the place I live in but I'm genuinely considering moving to a city that has PureFibre to finally get away from this lovely abusive pseudo-monopolistic shitfest of a cable ISP.
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