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Conquest Chapter 10 (the defend map) is kinda cool I guess. But I'm a bad FE player that heavily used Benny despite everyone raining fire and brimstone on armour knights, so what do I know.
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I just remembered fe9 got a randomizer the other week and I today I hit kirian, who is a brigand with adept  Also, ike just promoted to falcon knight so he gets ragnell and most is running around robbing people from dragon back. A+ experience. Would random again. Fake edit: That said it's with normal growths(str/mag flipped where appropriate) because after ike rolled a 0% speed growth on my first attempt I didnt feel like dealing with that. I really wish more randomizers had a setting that produced growths you would actually find in a baseline fe game. Right now I have to code my own algorithm into it when I can be bothered.
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Jul 19, 2020 22:49
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In vacuums, several of Conquest's maps' designs are really good, and in a better Fire Emblem game would probably be among the best maps of all time. But yeah in the context you get them in they suck rear end because you're just getting slammed over and over and over by horrible gimmicky ninja slogs.
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Jul 19, 2020 23:03
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ApplesandOranges posted:Conquest Chapter 10 (the defend map) is kinda cool I guess. Benny is a giant brick wall in a game where not taking lots of damage is a really good trait. I mean, I personally never liked him much since his base speed is in that “get doubled by literally everything and not just ninja/samurai” but if your Beruka/Effie/Keaton didn’t turn out having more tanks than Xander isn’t the worst thing ever.
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Jul 19, 2020 23:51
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Benny is honestly too good of a tank, because if lategame Conquest enemies can’t damage anyone in range they straight up won’t move sometimes
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Jul 20, 2020 01:10
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If you invest all your Speedwings into Benny, and then have him marry Azura to get access to Falcon Knight, he can double CQ's final boss. That's the kind of dumb meme content we all live for.
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Jul 20, 2020 05:22
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We have finally finished up Chad's skill in MoD, Shadowstep.  It's a god damned short-range teleport. Of course he can't attack or use items or lockpit after doing it, it ends his turn, but he has a god damned SHORT RANGE TELEPORT!
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Jul 25, 2020 04:25
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Oswin is one of the best units in fe7, armor knights are fine mostly. Their main issues are movement (which conquests compact maps help alleviate) and speed (you fight so many ninjas everyones getting doubled anyway)
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Jul 25, 2020 04:27
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Onmi posted:We have finally finished up Chad's skill in MoD, Shadowstep. I'm guessing the big use of this is to get him a few extra spaces on an approach/retreat but idk i think i'd like it if he could lock pick after it. It'd probably be my first thought at getting it, to help expedite the chesting process
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Jul 25, 2020 04:35
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rannum posted:I'm guessing the big use of this is to get him a few extra spaces on an approach/retreat but idk i think i'd like it if he could lock pick after it. It'd probably be my first thought at getting it, to help expedite the chesting process He can warp through walls. Does that explain it?
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Jul 25, 2020 04:38
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rannum posted:I'm guessing the big use of this is to get him a few extra spaces on an approach/retreat but idk i think i'd like it if he could lock pick after it. It'd probably be my first thought at getting it, to help expedite the chesting process Onmi posted:He can warp through walls. Does that explain it? Yeah, my though was more of jumping over the enemy lines to gank a squishy in the back or jumping over walls to loot in safety.
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Jul 25, 2020 04:54
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Onmi posted:We have finally finished up Chad's skill in MoD, Shadowstep. Man. Astohl and Cath are gonna need something dumb to compete with that.
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Jul 25, 2020 05:23
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What's the promotion situation for the thieves in MoD? Assassins? Rogues? A mix? Some out of left field fourth option?
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Jul 25, 2020 05:35
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Cattail Prophet posted:What's the promotion situation for the thieves in MoD? Assassins? Rogues? A mix? Some out of left field fourth option? Rogues. If I'd done Trickster, this skill would not exist on Chad. Hellioning posted:Man. Astohl and Cath are gonna need something dumb to compete with that. Astolfo has freedom of movement, no terrain penalties. He's also a prepromote, so he very much has a stat-lead on Chad and Cath. Cath doesn't have a movement skill, and she has the only %proc skill in the personal skills. She turns kills into Red Orbs.
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Jul 25, 2020 05:43
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The Kitsune map is good actually. The gimmicks actually encourage you to use weird formations and multi turn tactics you never would anywhere else in the franchise.
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Jul 25, 2020 08:54
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Discounting the paralogues almost every map in Conquest maintains a consistent standard of quality that's so high it often dwarfs the greatest highs of previous entries. Like a Thracia that's not a strung out methhead with moth ridden clothes. Birthright Lunatic endgame was a far more miserable experience considering the horde of enemies you have to wade through, though at least it's not Awakening levels of bad
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Jul 25, 2020 09:26
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if by consistent standard of quality you mean consistently miserable, i agree. thracia is much more fun because it actually lets you do stuff instead of constraining you to incredibly specific winning strategies and using the five OP units you have and no one else.
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Jul 25, 2020 15:49
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Perfect Potato posted:Discounting the paralogues almost every map in Conquest maintains a consistent standard of quality that's so high it often dwarfs the greatest highs of previous entries. Like a Thracia that's not a strung out methhead with moth ridden clothes.
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Jul 25, 2020 16:39
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quality maps like the jar map, where I came within 1 tile of winning on the last turn, lost to the time limit, and had to start over. quality maps like takumi's warp staircase hell, where I looked at it, went "wow, this looks annoying; I'll play it tomorrow" and never picked up the game again
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Jul 25, 2020 16:49
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Elephant Parade posted:quality maps like the jar map, where I came within 1 tile of winning on the last turn, lost to the time limit, and had to start over. quality maps like takumi's warp staircase hell, where I looked at it, went "wow, this looks annoying; I'll play it tomorrow" and never picked up the game again
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Jul 25, 2020 16:52
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Fates is the game where it’s easiest by far to use the not-OP units and do weird gimmick builds. Use attack stance, it’s really powerful
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Jul 25, 2020 18:00
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Takumi's Warp Map is actually pretty straightforward, as far as Conquest maps go. Just a bunch of enemy groups that won't break formation so you're supposed to engage them all at once, group by group.
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Jul 25, 2020 18:12
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I think the 3 parts I dread doing from several FE games are: 1. Wanting to "train" Lachesis early becaused landing that killing blow on Voltz to obtain the Elite/Paragon ring is kind of a pain and her dumbass triplet bodyguards are a danger to themselves and everyone in my party. Across the years I've gotten good at keeping/steering the three bozos clear away from doing their BS but I hafta admit that the whole Voltz section is kind of a pain, even if trying to figure out a good outcome can be hella fun! 2. Some desert maps/sections. While they often work in helping you "train" units that might be lagging behind, they're not super fun, especially compared to weather chapters. 3. What is(was? I dunno) called "Frederick Emblem" early on Lunatic runs of FE13. Sorry, not a fan. 
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My take on Conquest, which seems to be shared with most of this thread at least, is that it holds up for one playthrough gameplaywise. There's a few annoying maps (kitsune, wind) but by and large the gimmicks are fine to experience, once on replays it's just miserable and does not hold up Endorph posted:a consistent standard of quality so high that i, a person who replays every fe game once a year, literally never want to play it again. there's like 4 actually fun maps in conquest. how do you have time to play anything else
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Every now and then I think about replaying Conquest, but then memories of Ninja Hallway Hell come back. Birthright may be 'worse' but at least it's easier for me to ease back to again.
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Jul 25, 2020 19:45
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cheetah7071 posted:how do you have time to play anything else
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I don't know what everyone means by Conquest only allowing one strategy/team composition. I had tons of fun doing things like a run where everyone was on horses (non-flying). Believe it or not it actually didn't make the Kitsune map undoable, as everyone being mounted opens up a lot of fun tactics. Ya'll need to try more gimmick runs.
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Lex/Tailtiu is...fine. There just aren't that many spots in the game where you can really vantage kill everything with Lex!Tine's stats but there are a few/ You have to slow down to even take advantage of it though because she's infantry. Arthur is more or less a lost cause with that pairing.
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galagazombie posted:I don't know what everyone means by Conquest only allowing one strategy/team composition. I had tons of fun doing things like a run where everyone was on horses (non-flying). Believe it or not it actually didn't make the Kitsune map undoable, as everyone being mounted opens up a lot of fun tactics. Ya'll need to try more gimmick runs. like yeah they're beatable but for a game with so many options the game sure makes a ton of them inconvenient
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Endorph posted:wait, the warp staircase map was fine if its the one im thinking of. the staircase tile is one way, its not a massive teleporter puzzle.
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Jul 25, 2020 23:05
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FE4 is a game where I dont have to particularly worry about who ends up havign a kid with who, right?
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i stand by the conquest "hold out for X turns" map being the best map of its type and probably one of the best maps in the series, but like...every other chapter in the entire game is just kinda annoying and bad
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Junpei Hyde posted:FE4 is a game where I dont have to particularly worry about who ends up havign a kid with who, right? so long as both parents are of the same 'type' (physical units with physical units, mages with mages) they'll be alright, and you absolutely want to pair lewyn with either erinys or tiltyu, but A) you definitely want everyone paired up by the end of gen 1 and B) you can absolutely create really bad units by having tiltyu marry arden or whatever but most of the pairings the game pushes you towards by default are decent enough (for instance erinys is basically the default pairing for lewyn)
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Jul 26, 2020 00:15
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Arden will never marry anyone, he doesnt have enough move to make it to dates
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Junpei Hyde posted:Arden will never marry anyone, he doesnt have enough move to make it to dates arden/ayra has a really funny conversation and the kids wind up okay
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Jul 26, 2020 00:17
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Endorph posted:arden/ayra has a really funny conversation and the kids wind up okay Sold
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CH7 - enemies become hostile in predetermined waves CH8 - speedrunning houses for rewards/stopping enemy reinforcements, optional CH9 - Azura is isolated but in no real danger CH10 - defense chapter CH11 - enemies do not move unless engaged, probably introduction of status staves CH12 - turn limit escape/pot mechanic that works almost solely in the player's favor, can be disabled instantly and turned into a standard escape map CH13 - relatively standard map CH14 - relatively standard map CH15 - maybe turn limit escape and clone mechanic with 3 units , completely optional CH16 - find the boss/speedrunning for money, can be safely done at a normal pace CH17 - ninja cave, wall separation mechanic under the player's control, makibishi traps CH18 - turn limit double boss CH19 - kitsune invulnerability CH20 - wind mechanic, follows a set pattern CH21 - escape map that actually encourages escaping CH22 - wall separation mechanic not under the player's control, siege weapons CH23 - enemies do not move unless engaged, siege weapons CH24 - movement speed dragonvein, can be exploited by player CH25 - turn limit/solo boss, can be ended on turn 1 if built for or otherwise done normally CH26 - status staves CH27 - teleporting separation of party I guess, barely matters END - like a reverse escape map to the boss, marred by Fates' poor handling of endgame saves The gimmick thing is grossly overblown and turns "basic game mechanics" and "franchise staples" into some sort of affront sacrilege
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Jul 26, 2020 00:22
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Perfect Potato posted:CH7 - enemies become hostile in predetermined waves
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The problem with Conquest is that you can still just barely beat its most interesting maps with strategies that make them into boring, awful slogs. Like 17 says maybe you should try using bows and the wall mechanic, but you can still march through with Javelins and Hand Axes and eat a million Poison Strikes if you want. It'll just suck, that's all
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