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Jedit posted:Not an RPG, a computer game. I played it, it was probably crap in retrospect but when you're 19 running a black ops intelligence division is cool. The computer game was based off the RPG system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_13
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The computer game was based off the RPG system. Yeah, and Richard Tucholka thought that anything that even resembled anything from his games was directly ripped off from it. JMS dropped it rather than having to deal with the drama.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 11:58 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The computer game was based off the RPG system. Ah, that I didn't know. But it's OK, because it turns out the game isn't the one I played either.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 12:28 |
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Jedit posted:Ah, that I didn't know. But it's OK, because it turns out the game isn't the one I played either. Greetings, fellow innocuous employee of Wildlife and Fisheries!
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 15:02 |
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We just started a rewatch on Vudu because of the 4:3 versions and it's going great. I'm just so happy with the cgi. But anyway I really wanted to talk about how much Christopher Franke's score is integral to the feel of this show. Just in the pilot and Midnight on the Firing Line there are a couple of really heartfelt monologues that just have a subtle, quiet theme in the background that adds so much. Even the worst episodes (like The Gathering) usually have, as you might say, one moment of perfect beauty.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 18:13 |
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I played the first few minutes of the dvd version and the vudu version of episode one side by side and I couldn't really notice one was better than the other. Like, they clearly looked a little different, the color tones were different, and the vudu version looked a little grainer.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 18:16 |
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:We just started a rewatch on Vudu because of the 4:3 versions and it's going great. I'm just so happy with the cgi. But anyway I really wanted to talk about how much Christopher Franke's score is integral to the feel of this show. Just in the pilot and Midnight on the Firing Line there are a couple of really heartfelt monologues that just have a subtle, quiet theme in the background that adds so much. Even the worst episodes (like The Gathering) usually have, as you might say, one moment of perfect beauty. The Gathering wasn't scored by Franke, though. It had a score by Stewart Copeland of The Police.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 18:16 |
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Jedit posted:The Gathering wasn't scored by Franke, though. It had a score by Stewart Copeland of The Police. IIRC the special edition was rescored by Franke.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 18:25 |
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I really liked Star Trek's secular humanist future because it was what it was without actually calling religious people stupid, I think it sucks that they walk that back every chance they get because it just makes whatever they produce even more generic. Meanwhile everybody laughs when they have the Mormons step on a rake in every space opera
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 19:55 |
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The expanse had them as earnest and kind, for all they got mercilessly punked
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 21:29 |
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CainFortea posted:I played the first few minutes of the dvd version and the vudu version of episode one side by side and I couldn't really notice one was better than the other. Like, they clearly looked a little different, the color tones were different, and the vudu version looked a little grainer. The live action scenes are probably similar, just the dvds got to use the full widescreen. It's the cgi where the real difference lies. What size screen are you watching on though? I mean it's like 360p to 480p, and still an ancient analog master, so it's not going to be night and day, but the cgi is noticeably fuzzier on the dvds to me. Part of it is the cropping too, there's just more to see in the 4:3.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:The live action scenes are probably similar, just the dvds got to use the full widescreen. It's the cgi where the real difference lies. What size screen are you watching on though? I mean it's like 360p to 480p, and still an ancient analog master, so it's not going to be night and day, but the cgi is noticeably fuzzier on the dvds to me. Part of it is the cropping too, there's just more to see in the 4:3. I had them side by side on my 1440 monitor. And I went far enough to see some CGI.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 23:09 |
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CainFortea posted:I had them side by side on my 1440 monitor. And I went far enough to see some CGI. The CGI was always OK (though not optimal because of the cropping and sometimes bad framing), but the real issue were the composite shots which stood out super bad. The 4:3 version doesn't really improve the picture (except that you get to see the complete frame in the CGI/composite shots) but it's a massive improvement in terms of getting a consistent experience with minimal unwanted visual distractions. It's just a much more pleasant watch, and I wish they'd authored the DVDs like this in the first place, given the limitations of the material they had to work with.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 23:31 |
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If you could, I'd like to see if you could point to a specific part that's bad cause all the cgi in the opening shot of Ragesh 3 looks widescreen and good.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 23:47 |
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CainFortea posted:If you could, I'd like to see if you could point to a specific part that's bad cause all the cgi in the opening shot of Ragesh 3 looks widescreen and good. Quickly skimmed through episode 1 and didn't really find anything glaring there (hardly any composite shots), but right in episode 2 there's some pretty bad stuff with the Soul Hunter e.g. from 35:05, and then 37:25. And stuff like this just gets more and more frequent as the series goes on.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 00:08 |
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There are a couple notable scenes. I remember the one in Soul Hunter. They actually do drop off for a while. IIRC they filmed the interior shots in 16:9 but lost some of the master footage and had to grab it from stations or something.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 00:17 |
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Talking about this change? then flips to this after a cut back to the Soulhunter
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 00:43 |
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I can't recheck the video right now but the really bad-looking shots were the ones where the guy was floating one or more of his little soul balls. The shots were obviously very blurry compared to the other shots before and after, and also nastily cropped (like in one shot the top of his head was cut off in order to keep the device at the bottom of the frame visible). At least one shot also seemed to be slightly squished to avoid losing too much information via the crop. One important scene whose DVD presentation I always hated was in "Into the Fire" with the Vorlon and Shadow representatives appearing as holograms on the White Star. That was such a blurry mess all around that it ruined the emotional moment for me, while the Vudu version that I just watched a few days ago looked totally fine. Zat fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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While trying to find that part, I saw the bit when Londo begs Vir to kill him to try and save Centauri Prime. Even after all he's done he's still willing to die for his planet. How different does this look from the vudu version?
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 01:33 |
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:We just started a rewatch on Vudu because of the 4:3 versions and it's going great. Between cropping CGI scenes to fake widescreen and the "no subtitles for alien speech" (at least from the episodes I've seen thusfar) I've gotten really displeased with the dvds (hello thread, my dad and I taped b5 as it aired. we only missed one episode for the whole run! it was Confessions & Lamentations) Ayin fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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CainFortea posted:
Just taller. Don't expect any added detail, but the picture quality just looks more consistent from shot to shot. I tried to match your screenshot from Into the Fire. Vudu version: Zat fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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Zat posted:Quickly skimmed through episode 1 and didn't really find anything glaring there (hardly any composite shots), but right in episode 2 there's some pretty bad stuff with the Soul Hunter e.g. from 35:05, and then 37:25. And stuff like this just gets more and more frequent as the series goes on. Any of the scenes where they go into the great machine and they show you that bridge are a loving nightmare
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Tighclops posted:I really liked Star Trek's secular humanist future because it was what it was without actually calling religious people stupid, I think it sucks that they walk that back every chance they get because it just makes whatever they produce even more generic. I mean they had a chapel on the ToS connie in Balance of Terror.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 12:40 |
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Ayin posted:Man I'm glad someone has the original 4:3. Is vudu good in general? If I'm getting boxed into one of these digital video services I guess I might as well use it. :v Honestly this is the first time I've used it. We have some movies on there for the kids, but mostly we've used it to download local copies to the iPad for car trips. It's not a monthly subscription that I'm aware, we purchased the series for $70.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 13:02 |
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Zat posted:Just taller. Don't expect any added detail, but the picture quality just looks more consistent from shot to shot. Thank you for this!
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I mean they had a chapel on the ToS connie in Balance of Terror. Didn’t Kirk cuck the crewman after he died also?
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 15:05 |
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Someone's been rendering again. https://i.imgur.com/1Axmz3t.jpg I'm breaking the link for size - it's 15000x4320.
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TraderStav posted:Didn’t Kirk cuck the crewman after he died also? Kirk canonically had sex with everyone on the Enterprise at least ten times so sure, I guess.
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Jedit posted:Someone's been rendering again. I appreciate the effort but checking the full render, I guess that budget shortfall included the inability to match paint hues between any two contiguous hull plates, producing the distinct impression that the station was finished with discount bathroom tiles.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 17:27 |
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Appropriations guy hitting up all the space Re Stores in the quadrant so they can finish the station
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 17:35 |
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Jedit posted:Someone's been rendering again. I know that from an art design perspective it was to create details that were visible from some distance away, but those orange tanks on top of the station have got to hold enormous amounts of... whatever they do. Is that the original model/texture? What's the source?
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McSpanky posted:I appreciate the effort but checking the full render, I guess that budget shortfall included the inability to match paint hues between any two contiguous hull plates, producing the distinct impression that the station was finished with discount bathroom tiles. I mean... probably not outside canon.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 18:41 |
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In Star Trek it’s called aztecing and it’s to add visual interest to large swaths of hull that would look sort of fake otherwise. B5 isn’t actually aztecing exactly, because the textures don’t connect in larger patterns.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 19:07 |
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I'm doing a rewatch at the same pace as TheAardvark, godamn I'm really looking forward to him starting the third season so I can get my fix.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know that from an art design perspective it was to create details that were visible from some distance away, but those orange tanks on top of the station have got to hold enormous amounts of... whatever they do. I don't know. It's up on Reddit, I only saw it because a friend linked it.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know that from an art design perspective it was to create details that were visible from some distance away, but those orange tanks on top of the station have got to hold enormous amounts of... whatever they do. Maybe deuterium tanks for the fusion reactor? Water reclamation and recycling? Those are two things I imagine you'd want to have a lot of extra supply and redundancy.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 21:29 |
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Spoo tanks.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 22:40 |
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Angry Lobster posted:I'm doing a rewatch at the same pace as TheAardvark, godamn I'm really looking forward to him starting the third season so I can get my fix. I'm so glad this thread cued me into the vudu version, thank you. I was dreading have to witness cropped fleet battles.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 23:17 |
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Doctor Zero posted:In Star Trek it’s called aztecing and it’s to add visual interest to large swaths of hull that would look sort of fake otherwise. B5 isn’t actually aztecing exactly, because the textures don’t connect in larger patterns. I'm aware of aztecing, and had I considered overnight that an ultra HD render would need some kind of texturing pattern to not look like a big cylindrical eggshell. A lot of people tend to go overboard in equating contrast with quality and end up making something that looks like a badly aliased game mod though(see fig. 1).
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I really, REALLY wonder if the doctor is playing a long game here, given the comment about 'Grey' sector. Still, a nice synopsis.
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