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Shenmue is good and interesting if you approach it as the martial arts themed adventure game it is, rather than the beat en up some people think it is. Which is also why the yakuza comparison is pretty bad. It's probably on the same level as comparing Yakuza to GTA. The only thing in common is the openish world.
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Shenmue isn't complicated. It's just a game that was incredible at the time that didn't age well. The idea of fully scheduled NPCs and a fully interactive environment of that scale was pretty crazy. The original game had a feature where if you had your Dreamcast online, you could have it pull the current weather reports in Japan and make the in-game weather for that area match.
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Jul 26, 2020 01:01
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Shenmue 2 was one of the coolest games I had ever played in 2002.
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Jul 26, 2020 01:06
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Hel posted:Shenmue is good and interesting if you approach it as the martial arts themed adventure game it is, rather than the beat en up some people think it is. Which is also why the yakuza comparison is pretty bad. It's probably on the same level as comparing Yakuza to GTA. The only thing in common is the openish world. I played both Shenmues on the Dreamcast at release - gently caress, I even competed on the internet leaderboards for Space Harrier - and Yakuza 0 had the exact same 'mouth feel' I remembered from those days when I played it, just with a bit more action and less weird questions about the Chinese.
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Jul 26, 2020 01:10
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Yakuza is if Shenmue was done with regards to financial performance. It's all well and good to make something artistic, but it has to have enough buyers relative to its cost. Stanley Kubrick may have been an auteur but even he had budgets, and all his movies turned a profit. Relevant quote:quote:It's telling that when a filmmaker succeeds in running his own studio, it's because he's learned to let his inner businessman veto his inner artiste. Coppola ran Zoetrope with his heart. It nearly destroyed him. Steven Spielberg runs DreamWorks with his brain, a decision that leads to much healthier returns on investment.
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Jul 26, 2020 01:23
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I always heard so much about Shenmue, wolf's video is a vicarious thrill. Another game I heard LOADS about was Panzer Dragoon Saga. That it's a jRPG to rival and even top FF7 back then, but Sega refused to print more because the Saturn was dying and they wanted to create artificial hype. Hell, until some time ago you couldfind copies selling for ridiculous amount. Might still be true. I'm surprised there has been no kickstart or talk of reviving that one.
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Jul 26, 2020 02:37
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Max Wilco posted:Aren't Nazbols those cloaked riders from Lord of the Rings? No. You're thinking of Nazgûl, and I can't believe none of you other nerds bothered correcting this
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Jul 26, 2020 04:30
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McCloud posted:No. You're thinking of Nazgûl, and I can't believe none of you other nerds bothered correcting this Seems like you're the only nerd, nerd!!!
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Jul 26, 2020 04:35
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Truly unbelievable.
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Jul 26, 2020 04:37
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fuckin hell dude
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Jul 26, 2020 04:52
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I like to think there is room for most kinds of games and that all games don't neccessarily "have" to be "modern". Shenmue is a game that some people like for its deliberate design choices and thats fine. It doesn't make it inherently worse (even if it embraces 90s design ideas) because the design exists as the developer(s) wish it to be to appeal to those who want it.
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Jul 26, 2020 04:58
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McCloud posted:No. You're thinking of Nazgûl, 
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Jul 26, 2020 05:13
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Yakuza ruined me on Shenmue. I'd probably would have liked 3 more had I never played Yakuza but 0 exists and I played it and it was phenomenal.
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Jul 26, 2020 05:47
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ButterSkeleton posted:I like to think there is room for most kinds of games and that all games don't neccessarily "have" to be "modern". Yep
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Jul 26, 2020 06:09
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do you say it "shen-moo", "shen-mu-ay", "shen-moo-ee"
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Jul 26, 2020 06:11
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Shenmö Pronounced Shen-Mae
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Jul 26, 2020 06:16
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We in the know just call it Shemp
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Jul 26, 2020 06:22
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Alaois posted:do you say it "shen-moo", "shen-mu-ay", "shen-moo-ee" Shen-Mew Sephyr posted:I always heard so much about Shenmue, wolf's video is a vicarious thrill. It backfired on them spectacularly because they lost the source code shortly after its initial print run so it couldn't be ported to any additional lifeboat systems like how the original Panzer Dragoon later got a PS2 port. Every now and again I check eBay to see what copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga are going for and the same guy has been trying to sell the same copy of Saga for like 10 years now, I swear, and in in response to it not selling he adds like $100 to its price tag a month so it's ballooned from about $500 to $2,000 in the time since I started checking on it. Anyone else with a complete English copy of Saga on eBay has followed suit and now they all sell for about ~$1,000 USD, with the cheapest ones going for about $800. I don't know how well the remake of Panzer Dragoon 1 did on the Switch, but I at least intend to pick up a copy on PC when its Switch exclusivity deal ends. The team behind it said they were at least going to try to tackle Zwei as well, but if they were also going to take a crack at Saga (which would be the loving holy grail of Panzer Dragoon developments), they would have to rebuild it from the ground up.
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Jul 26, 2020 06:39
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Panzer Dragoon Saga kicks rear end, too
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Jul 26, 2020 07:21
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With 60 new posts overnight I expected to find that the new Hbomb video had finally dropped. But no, it was all Shenmue chat.  Shenmue rules.
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Jul 26, 2020 09:26
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Yeah shenmue is a gently caress around simulator with lots of qtes and some fighting mixed in. Yakuza is a fighting game with some gently caress around stuff in it. Also stuff happens in Yakuza, which makes it different from shenmue.
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Jul 26, 2020 10:12
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Shenmue is extremely meticulously detailed tiny-world simulation and I love it for it, and it's exactly what Shenmue 3 delivered. One of the only other games I can think of that even attempted that kind of thing was Deadly Premonition, and Deadly Premonition 2 flubbed that part of it so hard that it was such a huge bummer. Yakuza rules, but it doesn't at all try to do the kind of weird pin-point tiny simulation that Shenmue does - the world moves around the player in Yakuza (and most games), where in Shenmue they put a lot of effort into trying to make it feel like the world moves without the player. I kinda lament that Shenmue 2 added automatically moving time forward for you if you arrived at certain events early - in Shenmue 1 there was a bit where I was... almost forced to just spend the afternoon in the arcade dicking around to get the clock to move to the right point so I could continue the story. It's an obtuse, objectively boring thing to force a player to do but I kinda loved it.
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Jul 26, 2020 10:37
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Shenmue 1 had this mission in the harbor to sneak past a guard at night. And if you failed, the game skipped ahead to the next night and I was so bad at that mission that my game moved ahead like 3 months before I was done 
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Jul 26, 2020 11:08
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Katt posted:Shenmue 1 had this mission in the harbor to sneak past a guard at night. And if you failed, the game skipped ahead to the next night and I was so bad at that mission that my game moved ahead like 3 months before I was done Shenmue 2 had a similar thing except you needed to fail a qte in a barbershop. Those are pretty much the only realistic ways to achieve a true game over.
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Jul 26, 2020 11:12
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I failed pretty much every single QTE in Shenmue 1. Makes me wonder what the game was like for people who caught them. Are the missions faster? I mean the story still continues after all.
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Jul 26, 2020 11:13
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Sephyr posted:I always heard so much about Shenmue, wolf's video is a vicarious thrill. Growing up, my parents made sure to give me and my brothers big gifts for Christmas, and since we were all gaming nerds, meant consoles and/or games. To make it easier on them, the three of us would get a specific console, and we would share play time on the consoles between ourselves. One brother got all of the Nintendo consoles, one got the Sony consoles, and I got the Sega consoles. This, of course, resulted in us asking each other to get games that were exclusive to their consoles. One of my brothers begged me to get, at different times, Panzar Dragoon Saga, and Shenmue 1 (I was working a job at this point and was buying my own games). I instead got, respectively, Magic Knight Rayearth and Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I don't regret those choices, but my brother wouldn't let me forget that I didn't buy those games he wanted for years. Anyways that's my Panzar Dragoon Saga/Shemue story.
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Jul 26, 2020 11:20
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I played the original Shenmue for the first time last year once the Steam port had come out, and I just found it boring and frustrating for the most part. It probably seemed a lot more impressive back when it was on the cutting edge of graphics and world design, though, so I don’t begrudge people for being nostalgic about it. The sidequest where you help the stray cat was nice, I suppose. But then again I’d enjoy just about any game mission where you help a stray cat so that’s not saying much.
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Jul 26, 2020 11:46
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Shenmue came out in 1999. Compare that to other games released the same year graphic wise. Resident evil 3 Final Fantasy 8 Silent Hill Morrowind came out 3 years later looking like this.  Shenmue looked and played better in comparison than our wildest VR demos look today.
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Jul 26, 2020 12:06
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Tbf after a decade delay making your third game still be part three of seven and not even try to wrap up the narrative is a pretty ballsy move. I dunno I never played Shenmue myself but its hard to be mad that a kickstarter sequel resulted in a game that played just like the originals. Like how Yooka Laylee was just Banjo Kazooie but new and bigger, like yeah I'm sure it didn't live up to the nostalgia but you got exactly what was promised why be angry about it?
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Jul 26, 2020 13:11
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I only played like as far as the forklift section when I had Shenmue on the Dreamcast but I still felt physically angry when I got to the end of the video and saw that nothing happens when you meet Lan Di. Give us some loving closure!
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Jul 26, 2020 13:37
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mother's basement does a deep dive in one of his fight analysis videos about the final boss fight in RE:Zero, and it's great. That whole fight was fantastic and the way it evolves over the course of his attempts to defeat Betelgeuse is fantastic and brutal. man, RE:Zero is good. Big ol' spoilers obviously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzogLLIDbE&hd=1
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Jul 26, 2020 14:59
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Captain Invictus posted:mother's basement does a deep dive in one of his fight analysis videos about the final boss fight in RE:Zero, and it's great. That whole fight was fantastic and the way it evolves over the course of his attempts to defeat Betelgeuse is fantastic and brutal. man, RE:Zero is good. Big ol' spoilers obviously i was confused reading this post because the boss fight at the end of Resident Evil Zero is incredibly bad, but apparently this is something else and not about killing an old man who turns into a barefoot bishounen who sings in falsetto and turns into a giant leech made of tentacles
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Jul 26, 2020 15:25
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gently caress Anthony Fantano. giving MBDTF a light six. shut up spade-headed bitch. you don't understand the divine ineffable nature of music. you don't understand that perfection is created by imperfection. you don't understand that the attitude of the girl in the Chris Rock skit is what makes it funny. stop talking
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Jul 26, 2020 15:46
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Bonaventure posted:i was confused reading this post because the boss fight at the end of Resident Evil Zero is incredibly bad, but apparently this is something else and not about killing an old man who turns into a barefoot bishounen who sings in falsetto and turns into a giant leech made of tentacles Missed opportunity really
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Jul 26, 2020 16:17
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Bonaventure posted:i was confused reading this post because the boss fight at the end of Resident Evil Zero is incredibly bad, but apparently this is something else and not about killing an old man who turns into a barefoot bishounen who sings in falsetto and turns into a giant leech made of tentacles It's one of the better "transported to another world"(isekai) series out there, if you're at all into anime, I highly recommend giving it a shot. Subaru really sucks sometimes and the world is utterly, utterly unforgiving in dealing with his attitude most of the time.
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Jul 26, 2020 16:41
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Captain Invictus posted:RE:Zero is about a dude who is walking home from the convenience store and suddenly is walking down a medieval fantasy city street in his blazer and shopping bag, and has to make do with essentially nothing but what he has on him, as well as the curse that has been put on him when he entered that world. I've given isekai enough chances and I'm thoroughly convinced the genre is 100% irredeemable trash.
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Jul 26, 2020 22:40
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cool world is an isekai
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Jul 26, 2020 22:46
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konosuba is good
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Jul 26, 2020 22:52
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Nuebot posted:I've given isekai enough chances and I'm thoroughly convinced the genre is 100% irredeemable trash.
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The best isekai ever made is Garzey's Wing.
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