Who is the #1 Overall Pick This poll is closed. |
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Anthony Edwards | 17 | 26.98% | |
Cole Anthony | 3 | 4.76% | |
James Wiseman | 12 | 19.05% | |
LaMelo Ball | 19 | 30.16% | |
Other | 12 | 19.05% | |
Total: | 63 votes |
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DeimosRising posted:zogo.exe who're the bottom 10 for 3np Gotta assume 'Toine is shimmying it up somewhere on that list.
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 17:37 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 13:33 |
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Salvor_Hardin posted:The Anthony Davis to Anthony Bennett dichotomy of Anthonies. Does Karl-Anthony count? If so we're back to "Bad #1 pick Anthony"
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# ? Jul 20, 2020 18:54 |
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Oops wrong tab
Squinky v2.0 fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 26, 2020 |
# ? Jul 26, 2020 19:00 |
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https://twitter.com/TopBallCoverage/status/1287850421281681408?s=19
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 01:45 |
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Those arms are too long
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 01:46 |
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Metapod posted:Those arms are too long I swear he has a second set of elbows or something https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1225698382888325120
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 01:58 |
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Metapod posted:Those arms are too long This is the tweet I should have shared. It has video; he looks good. https://twitter.com/tirolibreNBA/status/1287907141869883392?s=19
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 02:09 |
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is the tweet I should have shared. It has video; he looks good. He moves shockingly well, this isn't Tacko Fall where he is huge, he has good skill for a 16 year old
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 02:13 |
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is the tweet I should have shared. It has video; he looks good. no one should be that big at 16, I worry about his body not imploding
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 02:26 |
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Well he's got my attention at least.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 03:13 |
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He looks so good. If you could draft anyone regardless of age he's probably at worst third behind Bates and Cade Cunningham.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 03:15 |
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I have a feeling this guy may be how the Spurs stay relevant forever.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 03:25 |
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Spacebump posted:I have a feeling this guy may be how the Spurs stay relevant forever. They're gonna have to really bottom out in the next two years to do it.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 03:29 |
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MourningView posted:They're gonna have to really bottom out in the next two years to do it. Look at their contracts. They are about to have barely anybody on the team and Pop is going to retire one day.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 03:52 |
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Vince the Mince
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 04:04 |
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is the tweet I should have shared. It has video; he looks good. How the hell does a 7'2 man move like that
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 11:41 |
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is the tweet I should have shared. It has video; he looks good. wild, he’s so fluid at 16 despite being a gangly mass of limbs i guess the only real question is how durable he is
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 12:17 |
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Getting Tsikitshlivi vibes
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 15:28 |
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I don't like how he lands, lower leg concerns. He'll need to put on weight for the pro game (NBA or EU) and for that he'll probably need to work on how he comes down. He's 16 so this isn't weird but that's probably the biggest thing for him right now. Everything else about his game is pretty fantastic (in the few minutes of clips).
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 16:40 |
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How did Obi Toppin end up as a 22 year old sophmore? Oh he did a prep school year and red shirted That's unfortunate
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 19:14 |
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Dejan Bimble posted:How did Obi Toppin end up as a 22 year old sophmore? He's only a day younger than Jayson Tatum lol
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 19:39 |
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MourningView posted:He's only a day younger than Jayson Tatum lol I don't want to write him off completely, we've seen the Raptors get good rotation guys by drafting older players. But it would suggest a lower ceiling than you might guess from just watching games I guess the question is, can he fix his lateral mobility and become the ranging defender you'd hope for from a guy who's like a 6'9 center/pf, and I suppose you'd hope that his offensive skills in general improve. All that makes him a sort of safe pick for some teams and a bad pick for others, just based on what they've done with guys who had similar limitations.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 20:46 |
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Age is a thing to factor in but I'm not flatly against drafting older guys at all. I have a decent number of seniors as first rounders or close to it right now. Age might put a cap on how much you can expect him to improve but he's pretty plug and play on offense already. Like you said the issue with him is his defense. He's really bad on that end even playing against crappy competition and it's hard to hide a bad defensive big.
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 21:07 |
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i can't see highlights of super tall guys dominating without thinking about this https://twitter.com/DesusandMeroVL/status/1009273382284726272?s=20
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 03:52 |
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MourningView posted:Age is a thing to factor in but I'm not flatly against drafting older guys at all. I have a decent number of seniors as first rounders or close to it right now. Age might put a cap on how much you can expect him to improve but he's pretty plug and play on offense already. Not that this isn’t generally the case, but e.g. Jimmy Butler was a 22 year old senior who might have improved more from game 1 to peak than any current NBA player but Giannis. Not to mention of course everyone drafted before the mid 90s, but obviously that’s a whole different environment
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 04:59 |
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DeimosRising posted:Not that this isn’t generally the case, but e.g. Jimmy Butler was a 22 year old senior who might have improved more from game 1 to peak than any current NBA player but Giannis. Not to mention of course everyone drafted before the mid 90s, but obviously that’s a whole different environment Siakam was drafted when 22, as well, and also belongs in this discussion.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 13:55 |
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Yeah there are exceptions. Where they're at in their development cycle also matters to some extent. Like Siakam was on a sharp upward trajectory when he got into the league and continued on it. Brandon Clarke is another older prospect who was clearly on the upswing, he was a totally different player at Gonzaga than he was earlier in his career at SJSU
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 14:53 |
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Remember when all the draft news was that Siakam was going to miss two years if he played at all? I half wonder if that was something that other teams threw out there to get a shot at him.
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# ? Jul 29, 2020 21:38 |
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https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1289274486894858240?s=19
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 05:11 |
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https://twitter.com/Isaiah_joe10/status/1289624115792367616?s=19 I could see this being a good decision for him, he's not high on most mainstream boards and he's a way way way better shooter than his 3pt% this year would suggest (I think he had a legitimate case as the best one eligible for this draft), but I would have taken him first round this year personally. He wound up being one of my favorite guys in the draft.
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 19:47 |
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i generally think staying in school is a bad decision, and i don’t know that there’s gonna be a season for him to actually play with the razorbacks
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 20:26 |
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Declan MacManus posted:i generally think staying in school is a bad decision, and i don’t know that there’s gonna be a season for him to actually play with the razorbacks He wasn't really a lock to get drafted and if he did it'd probably be in the second which makes the potential lack of a g-league really important. If they do have a season he could improve his stock a lot and get into the first round, there is zero chance he shoots as low a percentage as he did this year again and arkansas could be really good. I do really wonder if someone like Luka Garza, who is not an NBA player no matter what he does, decides to just go pro and take the certainty of a huge Euro contract rather than waiting around to see what happens with college basketball. Feel like smart Euro teams could lock up a bunch of the top g-league or second round type guys with the way things are looking right now.
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 20:34 |
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I spent the evening watching a couple Maccabi Tel Aviv games for Deni Avdija, plus the requisite clips before summing up what I think He's a really nice passer for a 6'9 guy, his handle is good for his size, he makes open threes when he has breathing room, his touch around the basket is soft, he seems like he has room to improve, even if he's not long armed or an elite athlete. In his rare post ups he can exploit the mismatch, which is good for a 6'9 wing without elite speed or length, just putting an athletic 6'5 combo guard on him won't be an automatic stop. Downsides, shooting in general is just ok. Teams were leaving no one to guard him, even with a head of steam, until he reached the lane. If he can't make say 36% of pull up threes, he's more of your third ball handler than secondary, and probably a bench player. He's not strong, and NBA length will make some of his smooth finger rolls and lay ins much harder. His wide open shooting is good, NBA teams might give him those, so we'll learn about that pretty quickly. Sometimes gets murdered on screens, and there's no scrambling back into the play just in time, he's out, like Trae Young or Dangelo Russell, once he gets hit. Like Obi Toppin he really needs to become better at lateral movement if he wants to play NBA defense. He only played so many mpg because Maccabi is a top team. Omri Casspi is the player that some people assume Deni is, but Avdija's strength is in passing and dribbling around bigs to get easy lay ins now, his ideal self is a distributor and a playmaker in a way Casspi only did in a small way, once in a while in Sacramento Him being a 95% righty player is going to add some difficulty with all the smaller lefty ball snatchers in the NBA. Quincy Acy was also on the court a decent amount for Maccabi, and he's still a beast. This draft is really bad if he's a top 5 pick, but you can sniff the outlines of a solid player whose versatility can make things easier for his teammates, and generally give the team different looks. If you're playing hitting-his-ceiling-Anthony Edwards at 2, you'd want a best version of Avdija at 3(We saw the sad version of this with Wiggins/Saric in Minnesota.) If he can rebound better and lead the break, hit a trailer for a 3, he makes a lot of bench units better in transition. I haven't seen the advanced stats projections for these guys, but I guess I can see the upside teams are seeing. I don't know how often 6'9 euro guards can stay guards, he's probably a 3/4. What all these top guys seem to have in common is that watching them a little bit reminds you of similar guys who've failed hard in the NBA. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Aug 2, 2020 |
# ? Aug 2, 2020 06:37 |
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He's definitely mostly a 3/4 in the NBA I think, he'd be at a pretty serious quickness disadvantage against most guards, and it's not like he'd be undersized as a big wing/small ball 4. I have him top 10 and he's a very good ball handler and passer for his size and age but I do worry that the shot isn't totally there and he can't score enough to be a starter in the NBA. Should have a pretty high floor just because it's pretty rare for guys who get serious Euroleague minutes that young to be outright bad, but might be just a 7th or 8th man, which isn't really what you're looking for that high. He did shoot much better after they restarted and seems to have worked on his form a lot, which is good, though small sample and I don't want to read too much into Israeli league stats given that it's a one team league and he's on the one team. Also still a really bad free throw shooter, which people insist is just a mental block and not related to his shooting everywhere else, but either way that could be a problem in the NBA if he winds up scared to draw contact because he doesn't want to take free throws.
MourningView fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Aug 2, 2020 |
# ? Aug 2, 2020 12:39 |
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So he's basically Dario Saric?
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 14:09 |
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tanglewood1420 posted:So he's basically Dario Saric? saric is a little taller and a little bulkier and fits neatly as a modern 4, and can hit free throws and generally shoots better i guess the player comp i’d make is maybe kyle anderson? that’s selling advija a bit short but it’s the closest to what his role will look like in the nba
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 15:19 |
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I think he's a little more perimeter oriented than Saric and a better ball handler and athlete. Also seems like a slightly better defender to me. Saric is probably a fairly realistic low end outcome for him though, and the similarities between the two are why I'm a little bit lower on him than, say, the draft express guys. College deadline to declare for the draft is today, so should be a lot of decisions incoming, though the NBA deadline is actually a couple weeks later so I suppose in theory a guy could say he's coming back and then declare again at the NBA deadline MourningView fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Aug 2, 2020 |
# ? Aug 2, 2020 15:39 |
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Dejan Bimble posted:
I'm probably alone in this amongst Raptor fans here but I always liked Acy in Toronto, dude has strong work ethic Also how would you guys rate the Israeli leagues collectively, quality wise?
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 16:13 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'm probably alone in this amongst Raptor fans here but I always liked Acy in Toronto, dude has strong work ethic Maccabi Tel Aviv is really good, the rest of it is kinda crummy. Still better than most college ball and a big step up over China or the Australian league that Ball and Hampton were playing it, but it's not at the level of the top European leagues like Spain or France on the whole. MTA plays in Euroleague though so you can see them against better competition for a few games. Acy was cool as poo poo in college, all that dude did was throw down massive dunks on people's heads. MourningView fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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MourningView posted:https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1283395346291400705?s=19 https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1290009872491307008?s=19 Hooray for avoiding Izzo's tricks and lol Dickie V
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