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im watching through ds9 for the first time and i think Sisko just committed a war crime? Am i confused or in season 4 ep For the Uniform he just nukes a planet to catch one guy. And the end of the ep sisko and dax just laugh it off?? I know ds9 is supposed to be edgier but i cant ever see starfleet not court martialing him for that, or hell any of the crew going along with him and following orders to actually do it, even worf.
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Jul 28, 2020 04:52
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He makes it impossible for humans to live on that one planet but nobody dies It was in retaliation for the Maquis doing the same to Cardassian colonies
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Jul 28, 2020 05:11
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The staging is bizarre but yeah he chemically contaminated an inhabited world, although I think it was like Eddington spread anti-Cardassian gas on Planet X, and Sisko spread anti-human gas on Maquis Planet Y, and in the end they swapped planets because the relevant toxins were harmless to each other? The entire situation gets weird because the SF framing does not map 1:1 to things in real life very well. Like in both cases it doesn't destroy the planet's ecology, it doesn't even make it so sentient life can't live there, it makes it so one particular intelligent species can't live there.
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Jul 28, 2020 05:18
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Fortunately, both planets can entirely evacuate on a moment's notice. Also, despite there being anti-Human gas that's so easy to make that the Defiant can whip some up on a moment's notice, the Cardassians don't start mass producing it and hitting every planet they occupy during the war.
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Jul 28, 2020 05:34
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It's a little strained as a concept but the script makes clear that Sisko isn't a good person for having done it, just kinda doing a non-committal renegade run in Mass Effect.
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Jul 28, 2020 05:54
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Angry Salami posted:Fortunately, both planets can entirely evacuate on a moment's notice. Also, despite there being anti-Human gas that's so easy to make that the Defiant can whip some up on a moment's notice, the Cardassians don't start mass producing it and hitting every planet they occupy during the war.
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Jul 28, 2020 05:58
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Angry Salami posted:Fortunately, both planets can entirely evacuate on a moment's notice. Also, despite there being anti-Human gas that's so easy to make that the Defiant can whip some up on a moment's notice, Actually that's the most realistic thing in the show. 
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Jul 28, 2020 05:58
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Sodomy Hussein posted:It's a little strained as a concept but the script makes clear that Sisko isn't a good person for having done it, just kinda doing a non-committal renegade run in Mass Effect. Everybody looking at Sisko mildly shocked and uncomfortable as he's having his screaming meltdown and demanding the poison gassing of a planet is kind of counterbalanced by the episode ending with a grinning Dax stating "doing evil things is fun, actually"
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Jul 28, 2020 06:03
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Seemlar posted:Everybody looking at Sisko mildly shocked and uncomfortable as he's having his screaming meltdown and demanding the poison gassing of a planet is kind of counterbalanced by the episode ending with a grinning Dax stating "doing evil things is fun, actually" i think that's the curzon and that guy is a for real villain
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Jul 28, 2020 06:07
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Jadzia has got big chaotic neutral energy
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Jul 28, 2020 06:11
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Jul 28, 2020 06:12
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Tunicate posted:Actually that's the most realistic thing in the show. I imagine Worf and Dax probably thought of this as some bizarre human cultural thing.
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Jul 28, 2020 06:14
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Seemlar posted:Everybody looking at Sisko mildly shocked and uncomfortable as he's having his screaming meltdown and demanding the poison gassing of a planet is kind of counterbalanced by the episode ending with a grinning Dax stating "doing evil things is fun, actually" Nothing like a little forced displacement to brighten one's mood
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Jul 28, 2020 06:25
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yeah even if he didnt kill people (which seems doubtful), it is absolutely ethnic cleansing at a minimum. And Dax at the end says "sometimes its good when the bad guys win  "very weird episode
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Jul 28, 2020 06:34
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Nessus posted:Weird, I thought it was just a common allergy. I don't react to poison ivy myself... generally people get sensitized to it after repeated exposure. My grandpa was a doctor who treated someone who was immune to poison ivy up until the time he ate a leaf to prove it to his friends.
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Jul 28, 2020 06:38
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Tunicate posted:generally people get sensitized to it after repeated exposure. My grandpa was a doctor who treated someone who was immune to poison ivy up until the time he ate a leaf to prove it to his friends. My uncle was immune until he tore up a bunch from some land he was working and threw it on the burn pile. Like the comic says, urushiol vaporizes in smoke, Uncle Mark was in the hospital for a while until his lungs healed up enough.
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Jul 28, 2020 06:49
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HD DAD posted:Jadzia has got big chaotic neutral energy taking a vacation to murder a senior citizen is one of the best/worst episodes
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Jul 28, 2020 06:52
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How exactly does it work to be poisonous enough to be uninhabitable to human life, but also not cause any damage to anybody. And then somehow being made into refugees and losing everything you can't carry with you isn't a horrible atrocity in its own right that will cause its one damage. Are the Maquis supposed to have the same kind of post-scarcity deal that the Federation does? Or are they just gonna be accepted back into the Federation after they no longer have homes to fight the Cardassians over? Arivia posted:What do you think of Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres, then? I don't think much about them, since I never watched voyager. It's the one everybody poo poo-talks and it's not like I'm a big enough fan to watch through the whole franchise anyways.
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Jul 28, 2020 07:23
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On the first point, I think It Just Does. (To be fair to Sisko he did not initiate the tactic.) On the second, I suspect the Maquis have replicators and power supplies, which seem to be all you fundamentally need to have a high material standard of living, at least as long as the replicators work. It's not clear how citizenship works exactly but the Federation clearly saw the Maquis as at least kind of citizens - if not in their territory. They offered to resettle them in the first place.
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Jul 28, 2020 08:00
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The Maquis are absolutely (insufferable) Federation citizens.
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Jul 28, 2020 08:20
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Pick posted:Why is Star Trek so loving weird about the Irish I have to wonder what Colm Meaney thought about ehhhh everything FlamingLiberal posted:Shatner doesn't run that account, it's all done by his daughter who is a MAGA CHUD I have only ever heard that on these very forums and I wish I could find a source for it because I want to believe that Shatner is not quite that level of insane.
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Jul 28, 2020 13:02
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womb with a view posted:I have to wonder what Colm Meaney thought about ehhhh everything At least he got to tell them to gently caress off when they wanted to have a leprechaun in If Wishes Were Horses! Although we did dodge one bullet - Garrett Wang wanted to do an Irish accent in the Fair Haven episodes but was thankfully vetoed. If his previous ‘impersonations’ are anything to go by, we dodged a very racist bullet.
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Jul 28, 2020 14:14
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Zaroff posted:At least he got to tell them to gently caress off when they wanted to have a leprechaun in If Wishes Were Horses! is a korean man impersonating an irish man racist, or just payback
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Jul 28, 2020 14:22
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Which episodes are worse for the Irish- Up the Long Ladder or Fair Haven/Spirit Folk?
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Jul 28, 2020 14:23
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At least the holodeck stuff had the excuse of being lovely fiction written by Paris.
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Jul 28, 2020 15:08
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:im watching through ds9 for the first time and i think Sisko just committed a war crime? Am i confused or in season 4 ep For the Uniform he just nukes a planet to catch one guy. And the end of the ep sisko and dax just laugh it off?? it wasn't just to catch Eddington, because Eddington was planning on going on to gas all the other Cardassian colonies in that sector like, that was the whole point of Eddington sabotaging the Defiant and ambushing the Malinche (under a false distress call!!) and setting a civilian freighter in a decaying orbit, to try and make sure Starfleet couldn't stop him from his campaign of ethnic cleansing
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Jul 28, 2020 15:45
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FlamingLiberal posted:Which episodes are worse for the Irish- Up the Long Ladder or Fair Haven/Spirit Folk? Up the Long Ladder. One is a lovely period piece. The other is... I don't even know where to start.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:06
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I wonder what Colm Meaney thought of that one
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Jul 28, 2020 16:10
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Arivia posted:is a korean man impersonating an irish man racist, or just payback It depends. If presumed-Korean-based-on-name Harry Kim is doing the impersonation, then yes. If actual-Taiwanese-descent Garret Wang is doing the impersonation, then also yes, but for a few extra reasons.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:43
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CPColin posted:It depends. If presumed-Korean-based-on-name Harry Kim is doing the impersonation, then yes. If actual-Taiwanese-descent Garret Wang is doing the impersonation, then also yes, but for a few extra reasons. Welp I’m a loving idiot
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Jul 28, 2020 16:46
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Nessus posted:It's not clear how citizenship works exactly but the Federation clearly saw the Maquis as at least kind of citizens - if not in their territory. They offered to resettle them in the first place. I wonder if all humans (and Vulcans, Andorians, and all the rest of the member species), whatever their location or background, are welcome to come to the Federation and claim citizenship, like Israel does for Jews. Although now that I think about it, New Eden (the planet of humans that the Red Angel took away during WW3) kind of disproves that notion, since Disco treated them as if they were pre-warp aliens. Oh well, it was a neat idea.
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Jul 28, 2020 16:58
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FlamingLiberal posted:I wonder what Colm Meaney thought of that one I'd bet he hated it, but since at that point he was a glorified extra he wouldn't have had the clout to object and be listened to.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:06
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Powered Descent posted:I wonder if all humans (and Vulcans, Andorians, and all the rest of the member species), whatever their location or background, are welcome to come to the Federation and claim citizenship, like Israel does for Jews. I don't recall them treating them as pre-warp aliens, just as a pre-warp society (which is true). If Discovery had taken the not-religious-fanatic guy with them instead of leaving him behind with a souvenir 23rd century lightbulb, he'd probably have been welcomed as the human he is. Gillian Taylor was able to jump forward in time and then immediately get on board a Federation science ship as a crewmen like a month after getting off the proverbial boat in Star Trek 4. I used to kinda think the Federation had, as with many things, evolved beyond the very 20th/21st century idea of citizenship, but that's another minor detail that Picard nixed, what with the whole "Hugh is a Federation citizen and so the Romulans on the Artifact have to treat him special" thing.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:06
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I have decided that I'm actually going to bid on this.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:21
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I'd bet he hated it, but since at that point he was a glorified extra he wouldn't have had the clout to object and be listened to. this is when he started turning his back to the camera during any 'techno babble' scenes, so even if he flubbed the line it still only took one take. the man was all about that paycheque.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:35
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echoplex posted:I have decided that I'm actually going to bid on this. I applaud you. But only if instead of putting it in a glass case you actually wear it.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:36
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If anything, DS9 was really weird for having a Chinese woman play a Japanese woman who is inordinately fond of old school culture and comes across as worse of a weeb than Worf and Klingon culture.
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Jul 28, 2020 17:39
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Arivia posted:is a korean man impersonating an irish man racist, or just payback it's only payback if it's a korean man impersonating a perfidious Finn
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Jul 28, 2020 18:28
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From Popbitch:quote:During his 2005 world tour, Henry Rollins was telling people how William Shatner's garage was chock-full of portraits of the former Starship captain. Paintings of Shatner as TJ Hooker, as Captain Kirk, as himself - at all ages and stages of his career.
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Jul 28, 2020 18:53
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https://twitter.com/manuintiraymi/status/1287959067642589185?s=21 I just wanted to post the saddest thing I’ve seen today
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Jul 28, 2020 20:36
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