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FlamingLiberal posted:And don’t get me started on the whole ‘Seven takes control of the Cube, activates the drones, and they are immediately blown out into space’ thing And then it
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I would have watched an entire series of Weird poo poo Happens At The Borg Cube. They put forward the fantastic idea this was basically a haunted house investigation in space, and then completely ignored it.
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Jul 28, 2020 19:43
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The_Doctor posted:They put forward the fantastic idea this was basically a haunted house investigation in space, and then completely ignored it. Like they acted as though the other doctor Soji talks to is going to be an important character and then she just disappears When things go to hell on the Cube they also ignore them previously showing all of those Federation scientists on the ship
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Sometimes I feel like we read far more into the ideas they put forward in these shows in a desperate attempt to look for nuggets of gold in the sea of poo poo.
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Jul 28, 2020 19:49
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Well this is the kind of thing that happens when you rush the scripts and the story arcs
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Lizard Combatant posted:It's just made by untalented people.
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FlamingLiberal posted:God I was so disappointed with how they used that whole concept It was like they were trying to piss off anyone hoping to see any of what made Star Trek what it is.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well this is the kind of thing that happens when you rush the scripts and the story arcs Like most of Discovery
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Jul 29, 2020 03:00
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well this is the kind of thing that happens when you rush the scripts and the story arcs Take the time an episode spends in scripting and compare it to the time an episode is in post. I wonder what that ratio would be for TNG-ENT, in comparison with DIS-PIC. Obviously post is going to be a longer process, but the latter reeks of trying to paper over a flimsy script with shiny spectacle.
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I believe they have said with both Disco/Picard that they were still writing while shooting
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Disco in particular they were incredibly rushed because of the changes in showrunners and the desire to rewrite the entire plot arc to match the new vision. IIRC Fuller's season one had the war being much less urgent and just background at the start, more of lighter border skirmishes that drives Starfleet to new research and development (spore drive) and kills Michael's original captain. That sets up the flip to the Mirror Universe in the third or fourth episode and an extended stay there would've been the main Season One plot arc. We would've met Mirror versions of more characters and explored the differences and choices they made, and the ways in which they were similar people to our characters but made the darker choices. Then after the return, (not sure if the post-return plot would've been season one finale or season two arc), they would've found the skirmishes had turned into a full-blown war that was going badly in their absence, but the lessons they learned about those choices and the road not taken would've informed our crew as they drive towards the outcome. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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I wonder when Kirk inevitably shows up on Lower Decks (like on a holodeck or whatever) if he will be voiced by Shatner or John DiMaggio.
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How dumb do you have to be to set season 1 of your new show in an alternate universe
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Early Disco BoP work: wow that is a penis-y head.
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Arglebargle III posted:How dumb do you have to be to set season 1 of your new show in an alternate universe quote:The thing that really fascinated me in sitting down and crafting the story for Discovery was the human condition. I thought that there are elements in the Mirror Universe that we have seen that have sort of boiled to the broadest ends of the spectrum and everything felt really binary. And what I really wanted to do in setting out was looking at the minutiae of simple decisions that have a cascade effect on our lives. So, it’s not about gold lamé sashes and goatees versus no sash and clean-shaven. It is more about we are at forks in the road every moment of our lives and we either go left or right. Huh, interesting. So it might not have even been the Mirror universe, just a mirror universe. I genuinely do think that Fuller could've pulled it off and pulled it off well if he lived in a world without network time constraints. He's very good at writing, he's just way too slow. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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That is a cool premise that would have worked for season 2, imo
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MikeJF posted:Disco in particular they were incredibly rushed because of the changes in showrunners and the desire to rewrite the entire plot arc to match the new vision. The lesson the Disco crew learns from their time in the Mirror Universe is 'Nukes are great and win wars'.
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Alchenar posted:The lesson the Disco crew learns from their time in the Mirror Universe is 'Nukes are great and win wars'.
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Strong Convections posted:No, the lesson they learned in the mirror universe was that everything Lorca had taught them, and all the pride they took from his compliments on their ability to wage war, would lead them to becoming what the Terrans were. When they come back they don't just follow orders - they don't let their superiors blow up the Klingon homeworld with a nuke. No they just threaten to blow up the Klingon homeworld with a nuke and set up a puppet government who's legitimacy relies entirely on the threat of that nuclear blackmail, which is entirely a different thing.
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They reference the USS Defiant from TOS/the MU Enterprise episode so it is absolutely supposed to be the same MU
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FlamingLiberal posted:They reference the USS Defiant from TOS/the MU Enterprise episode so it is absolutely supposed to be the same MU That's the series we got, though, right, not the Fuller idea.
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I kinda love that the Defiant got its own weird mini-plot sprinkled throughout three different series.
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HD DAD posted:I kinda love that the Defiant got its own weird mini-plot sprinkled throughout three different series.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They reference the USS Defiant from TOS/the MU Enterprise episode so it is absolutely supposed to be the same MU Oh because the mirror universe can't have mirror universes of its own?
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There’s kind of been a running thing that the Mirror Universe is more closely connected to the regular one than other alternate realities
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Strong Convections posted:No, the lesson they learned in the mirror universe was that everything Lorca had taught them, and all the pride they took from his compliments on their ability to wage war, would lead them to becoming what the Terrans were. When they come back they don't just follow orders - they don't let their superiors blow up the Klingon homeworld with a nuke. I hate this take.
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Peachfart posted:I hate this take. Don't worry, none of it mattered because The Enterprise is here now! Look! LOooook! *clobbers you with 1200 dollar eaglemoss replica of the ship you've seen on screen for 30 seconds* consume! consuuuume!
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If lower decks displays any characteristics of classic trek: working towards building a more peaceful galaxy, exploration and better understanding, and characters facing/overcoming moral dilemmas in the midst of their low brow yuks, I could go along with it. Am I confident or even mildly hopeful that CBS made such a show? Absolutely not.
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Tighclops posted:Don't worry, none of it mattered because The Enterprise is here now! Look! LOooook! *clobbers you with 1200 dollar eaglemoss replica of the ship you've seen on screen for 30 seconds* consume! consuuuume! it'll make a good replacement for click-clack balls on the desk of a tech CEO
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God drat it CBS if you're going to put out a video don't geolock it. Who gives a gently caress if people in Canada watch a loving a Lower Decks preview? Region locking is so loving dumb. Sorry, little rant there.
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Martytoof posted:God drat it CBS if you're going to put out a video don't geolock it. Who gives a gently caress if people in Canada watch a loving a Lower Decks preview? Region locking is so loving dumb. ✊fight the good fight. I don't know why ctv thinks this was a good idea. don't make it harder to watch your show
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piratepilates posted:I don't know why ctv thinks this was a good idea. CTV decided renaming Space to CTV Sci-Fi was a smart move. They wouldn't know a good idea if it hit them in the face.
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Alchenar posted:No they just threaten to blow up the Klingon homeworld with a nuke and set up a puppet government who's legitimacy relies entirely on the threat of that nuclear blackmail, which is entirely a different thing. The nuke - which was planned by the admiralty, not the Discovery crew - is given to a woman who truly loves everything Klingon and believes in unification rather than warring amongst themselves, and gave up pretty much everything trying to achieve that. She's the one with the threats - as far as the other Klingons know L'Rell set up the bomb herself. Importantly L'Rell has the detonator - there is no puppet government. L'Rell will always put Klingon interests first, and the federation does not have the threat of blowing up their homeworld because they no longer have the detonator.
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L'Rell is a Bond Villain. At the point at which your argument is 'the person threatening to blow up the planet really does have your best interests at heart' you really need to step back a bit and think about what you are doing.
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Strong Convections posted:No, they defeat (but not destroy) an enemy that would have destroyed them. Also the detonator is given to L'Rell before they even suggest she use it to take power and unify the empire. There was no blackmail, they unconditionally gave away their leverage first.
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Alchenar posted:L'Rell is a Bond Villain.
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Strong Convections posted:The point is it's not a puppet government. There's a klingon in charge threatening other klingons. Nobody here is the puppet of the federation. She is still the person they chose to give that power to though. The other Klingons don't get a choice about it. She's the one in charge because she's the one
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