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The only thing you really need to know about FF7 Original in order to understand FF7 Remake is that it exists, I think, which is hinted at pretty hard by the Remake title. I'm pretty sure all the other questions raised in Remake were things that weren't addressed until the party left Midgard in the original anyway.
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anakha posted:Wall Market didn't delay them from reaching the pillar since they still turned up at the right time to get involved. If they were held up to the point that they wouldn't have gotten to the pillar on time, the Whispers may have involved themselves. In fact. they turned up early enough that the Whispers tried to block them from getting to the pillar if you recall the first battle of Chapter 12. So in other words they rewrote the story, changed events and shuffled the timeline to make a fun and compelling story happen that was mostly the same but switched things up as needed, and didn't need a single Whisper to make it happen?
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Why are you guys insisting on full-spoiler-blocked discussion in the general remake thread when there's a Spoiler-specific thread Right Here?.Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Sure thing. The new characters and plot beats didn't need Whispers because the new stuff didn't actively interfere with the Big Plot Points that needed to happen. It's clear that minor divergences don't matter, as long as the big important beats do. Obviously the designers could've just written a different story without using the Whispers. Some people would've liked it, and some people would've thrown fits that they're "throwing out the perfect original story". Or they could've exactly retold the same story, and some people would've liked it, and some people would've been disappointed at the complete lack of creativity and rehashing a story that's already been told. However, I think it's pretty obvious that the Whispers are there because the writers wanted to tell a story that sub textually analyzes the pressures and expectations of remaking a hugely popular and influential story, contrasted against an artist's desire to do something new instead of just retell what's already been done. And once again: some people like it, and other people are throwing fits. It's almost as if there was no "right way" to remake a classic hugely burden with fan expectations. Schwartzcough fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Jul 29, 2020 18:22
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:So in other words they rewrote the story, changed events and shuffled the timeline to make a fun and compelling story happen that was mostly the same but switched things up as needed, and didn't need a single Whisper to make it happen? If the events of Wall Market remained true from the original, there would have been a lot of protests made. Chapter 9 being rewritten the way it was stemmed from a need to avoid the non-PC pitfalls of the OG. That the rewrite of Wall Market was very good is irrelevant to the changes in the remake's overarching storyline that from Squeenix's perspective required a separate vehicle like the Whispers to tell. E: Yeah, the poster above is correct - take this to the Spoilers thread.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:28
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The true final boss's theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSCeXgLxK2o
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:So in other words they rewrote the story, changed events and shuffled the timeline to make a fun and compelling story happen that was mostly the same but switched things up as needed, and didn't need a single Whisper to make it happen? You are like taking the metaphor of the ghosts way too literally.
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Jul 30, 2020 01:58
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Man Aerith and Cloud are such dorks, in the best way. Also the scene when they threaten Don Corneo
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Just started playing this and I'm sure this has been brought up before but when I look at Biggs all I can see is Charlie Sheen and I cant deal with it
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fridge corn posted:Just started playing this and I'm sure this has been brought up before but when I look at Biggs all I can see is Charlie Sheen and I cant deal with it It's actually never been brought up
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Aug 6, 2020 18:04
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Moola posted:It's actually never been brought up Oh. Well, he looks like Charlie Sheen from his role in Platoon, and I guess maybe Hot Shots as well lol?? Anyway, now the game is ruined for you too
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Aug 6, 2020 18:30
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You fool its been brought up before! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
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Aug 6, 2020 19:04
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He lies, it's definitely been brought up. Embrace the Sheen.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:05
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fridge corn posted:Just started playing this and I'm sure this has been brought up before but when I look at Biggs all I can see is Charlie Sheen and I cant deal with it fridge corn posted:Oh. Well, he looks like Charlie Sheen from his role in Platoon, and I guess maybe Hot Shots as well lol?? Anyway, now the game is ruined for you too Huh, I looked that up and you've got a good point. I was thinking Bardock at first but your example has now supplanted my own.
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Moola posted:You fool its been brought up before! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! How could you do this to me
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:So in other words they rewrote the story, changed events and shuffled the timeline to make a fun and compelling story happen that was mostly the same but switched things up as needed, and didn't need a single Whisper to make it happen? It seemed pretty straight-forward to me. They involve themselves when something might derail the end outcomes, so changes don't matter unless they would actually alter said outcomes. And since it's from the perspective of the planet, it's likely mainly concerned with the end results of the original FF7 plot (that obviously have ramifications for the planet as a whole). It's the difference between someone taking a different route to arrive at the same destination and taking a different route that goes somewhere else entirely. There are still some questions someone could have, though it's not too hard to come up with plausible answers to them. Someone could wonder how the Avalanche folks dying is necessary to the end outcome, but it's plausible that if they live it could affect Cloud and company leaving Midgar at the same time they originally do.
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fridge corn posted:How could you do this to me 
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Aug 6, 2020 21:10
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Just got to Chapter 14 where the game opens up again. Time to grind a bit. I managed to finally get weapon proficiency for everyone while doing some of the side quests. The boss in the previous chapter was pretty disappointing, he lived up to his name. So far all the boss fights have been really hype from the battle itself to the music and cinematics.
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fridge corn posted:Just started playing this and I'm sure this has been brought up before but when I look at Biggs all I can see is Charlie Sheen and I cant deal with it It’s so similar it has to 100% be intentional I remember back in 2001 or something they asked one of the artists where they can design so many brand new realistic characters for FFX. And the designer was like “yeah it’s just an actor. I can’t tell you which one because then you’ll see it too” Everything about Avalanche is so 90s down to the music and the scene with them parachuting down to midgar. Haven’t figured out which 80s/90s actress Jessie is yet
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Thinking back on it I wonder if he was talking about Auron in FFX clearly being Jeff goldblum
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Thinking back on it I wonder if he was talking about Auron in FFX clearly being Jeff goldblum I always thought of him more as 1980s Michael Keaton.
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Aug 7, 2020 16:32
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Then who was Wakka supposed to be
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Aug 7, 2020 16:34
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Bender
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:It’s so similar it has to 100% be intentional
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Aug 7, 2020 16:43
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https://twitter.com/finalfantasyvii/status/1291675455188279298 https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1291649523815575552 https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1291644880184209408 theyre also putting out lets see music boxes and an album of the distant worlds orchestra tour. and i'm sure a million other things Super No Vacancy fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Thinking back on it I wonder if he was talking about Auron in FFX clearly being Jeff goldblum Ah yes... uh, you see.... hmm. The important things is... uh... Sin is... ah... Sin is Jecht...
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I think Auron could also be Toshiro Mifune
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DarkLich posted:In summary, he only made sense as a villain in this game if you were familiar with the original game. If you come at it from a first time player perspective, Seph does clarify that he killed Cloud's mom at some point in the past, giving him an automatic villain status. But yes much of his presence is playing off the context of whispers and timeline preservation, which specifically rewards those who played the OG. Sindai posted:Remake's version of Wall Market is very different from the original. It was actually about as bad as you might expect of a 90s game which is why it was almost completely changed. I liked the changes, except for the new music which is loving horrendous.
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Arkage posted:I liked the changes, except for the new music which is loving horrendous.
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Arkage posted:I liked the changes, except for the new music which is loving horrendous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2VbBAWJbA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhhV-rIOuA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibr2ZRCqVEI That's a big nope there.
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Guys I think he's just saying he didn't like the Wall Market music specifically. Maybe even just the dance number song.
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No I agree, the song that plays when you're walking around wall market is nowhere near as good as the original
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Aug 8, 2020 02:58
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I'm kinda low-key really irritated by the fact that they use the Main Theme of Final Fantasy 7 so liberally like when you're walking around sector 7 slums and stuff. I dont think you ever hear that track in the original until you leave Midgar and hearing it for the first time is a big part of that moment imo
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The designers talked about that in a recent interview, they wanted sector 7 to have a real homey feel to it.
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Aug 8, 2020 12:45
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Well they hosed up!!!
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ImpAtom posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2VbBAWJbA Ya the music is great, I also collected most of the original music in game, both are great imo.
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RareAcumen posted:Guys I think he's just saying he didn't like the Wall Market music specifically. Maybe even just the dance number song. Gonna assume it's this track which I find pretty obnoxious too even though I love the Remake OST overall.
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FuriousGeorge posted:Gonna assume it's this track which I find pretty obnoxious too even though I love the Remake OST overall. I really dislike it, but I'd like to clarify; it's just such a huge departure from the tone of the original wall market that I find it very distracting. The rest of the soundtrack is of course 99% baller as gently caress, especially the tracks in the tunnels leading up to wall market. Speaking of, I just find it so weird they did a fantastic remix of the ORIGINAL wall market theme, but then made something totally different for the actual theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWT_egN4Mw8
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FuriousGeorge posted:Gonna assume it's this track which I find pretty obnoxious too even though I love the Remake OST overall. Lol no that song owns
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Moola posted:I really dislike it, but I'd like to clarify; it's just such a huge departure from the tone of the original wall market that I find it very distracting. And that's just the amped-up combat version, they could've just used this for Wall Market. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF6jz-A9fsc
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Hand over Hand has been on my running playlist for months and I think is the only video game track on there atm.
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