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FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


https://github.com/jeanropke/RDR2CollectorsMap/wiki/Naturalist-Update-Changes

Jean Ropke posted:

In the update, Rockstar made changes to the collectible spots to make them less predictable. Unlike a cycle change which we can update easily daily, this is a more complicated change that prevents anyone from using a map to rush to a specific spot and gather a specific collectible they need. In other words, what item you get from a spot will be completely random with no way to tell which item you're going to get, other than the loot tables.

This change has been made for Arrowheads, Coins, most Jewelry, some Heirlooms and the new Fossil sets. These being the best sets in terms of rewards is annoying, but also probably the reason why the changed the Collector role to now be this way.

So, what does this mean? Give me a TL;DR.

This all means that you will not be able to easily complete the above sets every day anymore. Instead, what collectible you get will be luck-based. However, if you go to a spot where a coin was in the past, you will still get a coin, just not the specific coin you're looking for.

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Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service

Diephoon posted:

From what I've read on reddit/discord it seems like Harriet just won't work with you if you killed animals recently. You can get around it by waiting a while before you talk to her or switching instances.

Yep, if you've been killing too much and try to talk to her you get a cutscene where she yells at you then she gasses you again and you're locked out for a few minutes.

The lockout is pretty quick and then you're back in with no penalty.

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010

zooted heh posted:

yeah can someone explain if you can do the new role and trader together? is it a branching path?

Not really a branching path, more like parallel, the two new NPC’s are at odds with each other but don’t really cause a problem for your side hustle with Cripps.

Gus is like the trapper in single player and wants you to bring specific pelts, carcasses, and other bits so he can pimp your closet. Harriet wants you to bring her samples from most of the animals in the world (small animals and birds are exempt) and like the collectibles whole sets are worth more than singles. Sets are broken up mostly by habitat and legendary are grouped in a few sets.

They both work with the trader role, just give Cripps anything Gus doesn’t have on his shopping list. Harriet will give you a hard time about killing animals and not deal with you for a few minutes but she gets over it pretty quickly.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
If they fixed the animal spawns, honestly that's all I ever wanted from them really.

I don't mind grinding for money, I understand that's the game, but at least let me actually do the grinding instead of wandering around in vain.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


I don't mind grind but goddamn does this system illustrate how annoying the game's multiple layers of menu systems are.

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010

skooma512 posted:

If they fixed the animal spawns, honestly that's all I ever wanted from them really.

The few hours I played last night were packed with more wildlife than I think I’ve ever seen in the game. I literally killed a couple animals that ran between me and the other animals I was shooting at.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Should I click the button? :ohdear:

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

So I signed in after a couple months of not playing, and my character looks old as gently caress. Like the age slider went from 20 years old to a hard 50. Has anyone else seen that happen? Is Rockstar passive aggressively punishing me for not signing in?

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Good hunter, free us from this waking nightmare

Mod menus are already working, cool

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:coolspot:
Seashells by the
Seashorpheus

antisocial86 posted:

The sheer amount of animals running around now is absurd. I've been herding 30 deer in front of me every time I run around emerald station.



winter.mute posted:

The few hours I played last night were packed with more wildlife than I think I’ve ever seen in the game. I literally killed a couple animals that ran between me and the other animals I was shooting at.

Any word on if this is the case in SP too? :pray:

Morter fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 29, 2020

Clavavisage
Nov 12, 2011
maxed out the naturalist role with the help of alot of pigs and sheep blood

friendship ended with harriet, now me and gus are best budz

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
They hosed up the collector role so each spot is just a slot machine gamble instead of a specific item

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

Word on the street is the naturalist horse has top tier bravery around predators but that's one of those hidden stats that's hard to measure and can apparently vary a lot.

Bravery doesn't actually exist.

and if it did, even the most "least brave" horses can get through any situation by holding the calm button. Which means it should be absolutely last in your priority of stats.

Don't let "bravery" factor into your horse selection.

Zesty fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jul 29, 2020

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Naturalist sounds too annoying to even cheese.

Oh and you need to gold to start? :effort:


Like I'm down to 7 gold and I'm really not in the mood to commit to a month of logging into this game lol.

hakimashou posted:

They hosed up the collector role so each spot is just a slot machine gamble instead of a specific item

So whoever said they were gonna nerf collector was right.

skooma512 fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 29, 2020

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service
if you still clear out every coin or heirloom or whatever on the map in one day though it won't make a difference, right?

it just makes it harder to track down specific pieces

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Gatoring it up, myself. Not even doing any reviving any more, if someone else is around they get a freebie, otherwise critter just wakes up. And sine I'm gatoring, HORF has a conniption and runs off.

Remember to lasso unconcious animals out of the water to harvest their purity of essence.

Made my level 5 Nudist Naturalist loving around, time to go see Gus about trinkets I guess...

Speaking of loving around, level 10 Outlaw Pass. Dailies are... well, splitting them up into role caragories and poo poo is nice, anyway. Guess I need to find fossils for collector now, and random items from location_item_catagory, I can live with.

Rockstar: please add in a single-shot falling-block pistol in carbine caliber for tranking bigger game/humans.

And getting my Mad Dog/Emil Fouchon on, when using non-tranquilizer slugs. :getin:

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010
trip report day 2: ALL of my former Bayou travel shortcuts are gone now... we can't ride here, this is gator country.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Au Revoir Shosanna posted:

if you still clear out every coin or heirloom or whatever on the map in one day though it won't make a difference, right?

it just makes it harder to track down specific pieces

It won’t be full sets there will be multiples of some and none of others

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist

winter.mute posted:

trip report day 2: ALL of my former Bayou travel shortcuts are gone now... we can't ride here, this is gator country.

Because of the gators scaring your horse? Use the calm button.

XBOX Controller: Press Left Stick
Playstation Controller: L3 (correct me if I'm wrong!)
Keyboard/Mouse: g

hakimashou posted:

It won’t be full sets there will be multiples of some and none of others

Eh, then you got some extras sitting around. Just collect everything and eventually you can turn sets in. You just lost the ability to go find the very specific item you needed if you needed an influx of cash now.

The silver lining is that you can just spend time grabbing the collectibles in your favorite zones and never have to go to the lovely ones for them anymore.

Zesty fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jul 30, 2020

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
Did they fix animal spawns?

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010

Zesty posted:

Because of the gators scaring your horse? Use the calm button.

Not a horse calming issue, more of a running across the river and getting chomped issue.
I do prefer the more wildlife over never needing to eagle eye the water but it has slowed me down a little in some areas.

RenegadeStyle1 posted:

Did they fix animal spawns?

they turned them up to 11

FungiCap
Jul 23, 2007

Let's all just calm down and put on our thinking caps.
Is there any fix for vehicles being broken?

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012

The Great Twist


I don't have Twitch Prime or amazon or any of that. :rockstar:

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Zesty posted:



I don't have Twitch Prime or amazon or any of that. :rockstar:

Same. I'll take all the goodies, though, thanx for the Bunnies'n'Guppies Xp taking me from level 5 to 8 before I'd even spawned in. :v:

Hippie girl maced me, just for whacking three gators... I was just across the river from her Lagras shop though, it was kinda blatant.

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Good hunter, free us from this waking nightmare

I don't suppose any of the new weapons are in single player yet, are they? The elephant gun is way too fun to be limited to 20 rounds before needing a resupply.

Count Freebasie
Jan 12, 2006

winter.mute posted:

trip report day 2: ALL of my former Bayou travel shortcuts are gone now... we can't ride here, this is gator country.


We had two bags of Indian tobacco, seventy-five pellets of prairie poppy, five bottles of high powered miracle tonic, a salt shaker half full of salted offal, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored coins, earrings, necklaces, arrowheads... and also a quart of Tennessee whiskey, a quart of guarma rum, a case of absinthe, a pint of raw moonshine and two dozen packs of cocaine gum
Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious role progression, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

Count Freebasie fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jul 30, 2020

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
Played with a friend for a while. Found some new bugs (the biggest being not able to summon any of my wagons) and only had one DC! Ended our session while he delivered my moonshine and I sat at a black loading screen. #Reddead

its all nice on rice fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jul 30, 2020

antisocial86
Dec 8, 2003
yes sirs
If anyone else is doing pigs and sheep for grinding, the wilderness camp resets animal spawns so you can do that after you snooze the pig pen and then walk 5 feet and snooze another batch of piggies.

Freudian slippers
Jun 23, 2009
US Goon shocked and appalled to find that world is a dirty, unjust place

I logged in today an apparently got some rewards for linking my Rockstar account to my (non-existent) Twitch account? Yay? One of the rewards was a coat that Gus could make if I brought him a Katata Elk hide and I can't for the life of me figure out what this is supposed to be. Can anyone help?

E: Is there any point to Gus apart from the (somewhat) useful trinkets and butt-ugly custom clothing? Can I make money off him in any meaningful way?

Freudian slippers fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Jul 30, 2020

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Good hunter, free us from this waking nightmare

Joined a protect/escort a legendary animal free roam event. Free and protect a cougar in 20 minutes, ok.

At the one minute mark, the cougar started moving and the goal became escort the cougar to its destination.

We did not succeed as we had nowhere near enough time to get there.

Well... alright? At least I got a picture of it I guess.

TorakFade
Oct 3, 2006

I strongly disapprove


I was drunk yesterday and spent a lot of money on stupid things. Is there a quick way to make a buck now that collector has been nerfed? I am a bit sick of trader runs

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Count Freebasie posted:

We had two bags of Indian tobacco, seventy-five pellets of prairie poppy, five bottles of high powered miracle tonic, a salt shaker half full of salted offal, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored coins, earrings, necklaces, arrowheads... and also a quart of Tennessee whiskey, a quart of guarma rum, a case of absinthe, a pint of raw moonshine and two dozen packs of cocaine gum
Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious role progression, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010

Count Freebasie posted:

We had two bags of Indian tobacco, seventy-five pellets of prairie poppy, five bottles of high powered miracle tonic, a salt shaker half full of salted offal, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored coins, earrings, necklaces, arrowheads... and also a quart of Tennessee whiskey, a quart of guarma rum, a case of absinthe, a pint of raw moonshine and two dozen packs of cocaine gum
Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious role progression, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

:snoop:

sirbeefalot
Aug 24, 2004
Fast Learner.
Fun Shoe
We can't stop here. This is boah country!

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

I got ganked by the feds doing a moonshine run and some random posse rolled in, cleared the checkpoint and revived me. So that was nice of them.

Also I'm loving tranquilizing alligators. The way they flop over when they go down is hilarious.

Looking through the naturalist book though I'm supposed to get data on snakes and some other small creatures, but the .22 tranq bullets will kill them won't they? Is there a different method for collecting data on those animals?

Tragedienne
Sep 7, 2007

"I need your stage no longer. I dance for myself."

sinburger posted:

I got ganked by the feds doing a moonshine run and some random posse rolled in, cleared the checkpoint and revived me. So that was nice of them.

Also I'm loving tranquilizing alligators. The way they flop over when they go down is hilarious.

Looking through the naturalist book though I'm supposed to get data on snakes and some other small creatures, but the .22 tranq bullets will kill them won't they? Is there a different method for collecting data on those animals?

The .22 Sedative rounds will not kill snakes. For small animals like squirrels, chipmunks, frogs, birds, etc, you should use your binoculars and press the button that reads Study or Info.

The .22 Sedative rounds will also kill: Horses, dogs, and cats.

sinburger
Sep 10, 2006

*hurk*

Tragedienne posted:

The .22 Sedative rounds will not kill snakes. For small animals like squirrels, chipmunks, frogs, birds, etc, you should use your binoculars and press the button that reads Study or Info.

The .22 Sedative rounds will also kill: Horses, dogs, and cats.

Awesome. I didn't realize the "Info" button would work for that, I figured there was something I was missing otherwise there'd be a more context specific prompt.

I've killed many squirrels accidentally with the .22 sedative rounds, so figured that one out eventually.

winter.mute
Jan 5, 2010

sinburger posted:

Also I'm loving tranquilizing alligators. The way they flop over when they go down is hilarious.

Looking through the naturalist book though I'm supposed to get data on snakes and some other small creatures, but the .22 tranq bullets will kill them won't they? Is there a different method for collecting data on those animals?

Muskrats running in the mud are hilarious when they get sedated, they just slide forward, sink a little, and make a squeak as they pass out.

For each animal in the book you need to study (get info), track, photograph, sedate, take sample, kill, and skin in order to complete its entry. The smallest like squirrels don’t require the sedate, sample, and revive and farm animals don't need to be tracked.
You also can’t get the kill and skin requirements from an animal you’ve sedated and sampled.


I’m wondering if they added more dialogue to the game or if it’s just finally working as intended. I’ve heard a few funny conversations between revenue agents at roadblocks for the first time and the guy checking my wagon takes longer so I can hear the whole thing.

winter.mute fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jul 31, 2020

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Snakes usually take two shots. Raccoons seem to take 2 or 3, as do rabbits. I think I was one-shot-sleeping possums and muskrats, but I didn't really pay attention.

Sedative rounds are a wonderful use of Paint It Black - mark the target as much as you can, and PIB will stop shooting once the KO is delivered.

Had wolves lurk up on me just outside of Strawberry this morning - made the run to Oji for beavs, and even harvested a couple for the hippie chick, and then heard growling from uphill about 50 yards out of town. 4 wolves, hadn't aggro'd yet, so one took a bunch of sleepyjuice, the rest sucked down lead. The one I harvested woke up and went aggro, of course, so he got shot, and sold at the butcher because you can't skin the harvested.

Gonna get the bighorn horn, javalina skin and snowy egret plumes after work, see if I can grind out the Dane necklace and get trinketed.

Next time hippie chick maces me, I'm gonna return the favor with some toxic moonshine.

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fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

hakimashou posted:

They hosed up the collector role so each spot is just a slot machine gamble instead of a specific item

I had been waiting for them to do this for months, honestly. Collector was such absurdly good money and XP it needed a change.

Speaking of which, have they tweaked Bounty Hunter payouts at all? I haven't run one because the money per hour is laughably bad.

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