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Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Genshiken is set in a Japanese university with a main cast that are all old enough to drink from the word go and only get older, and is a far more compelling coming of age story than any shounen HS series I can think of.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:25

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:56

RareAcumen: Dec 28, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

Since a lot of their inspiration is shonen battle with teenagers I doubt the idea ever occurred to them. Ruby's 15 because Maka from Soul Eater's 15.

Wait wait wait, all the knock-off Avatar in this show... Is that why there's so much love triangle nonsense in it?! Because that was 40% of Legend of Korra? What a weird thing to focus the show on rather than their boulder-launching kung fu.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:41

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

The twitter thing has a bit claiming American college is just partying, which is manifestly untrue. Though ironically that perception by a non-American probably came from digesting a bunch of American media that pointlessly and honestly damagingly glories college, in a similar obsessive way to high school in anime stuff.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:44

Sibyl Disobedience: Mar 16, 2018; A Fire Keeper's soul is a draw for humanity, and held within their bosoms, below just a thin layer of skin, are swarms of humanity that writhe and squirm.

MonsieurChoc posted:

Edit: Wish I could be more constructive but yeah I liked it. The quotes and pictures felt well-chosen and the music fit.

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

One of the few repeating criticisms I've been getting is that my presentation is too dense and tends to overwhelm the audience. Knowing when people aren't bumping against this helps me know that the steps I've taken to mitigate this problem are working.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 19:53

Srice: Sep 11, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

The twitter thing has a bit claiming American college is just partying, which is manifestly untrue. Though ironically that perception by a non-American probably came from digesting a bunch of American media that pointlessly and honestly damagingly glories college, in a similar obsessive way to high school in anime stuff.

Yea and I feel like it's not reaching to say that the subset of person that goes to college and winds up partying all the time because for the first time in their life they're living an unsupervised life is a pretty universal thing, not just American.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:00

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Terrible Opinions posted:

Also hbomb's video didn't really elaborate on the music being stolen. Was there something specific about that, or just a lot of similarities?

he probably couldn't talk about the music without giving examples and thus, getting copyright strikes from the original creator of the music and everyone who's ever plagiarized it

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:07

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

RareAcumen posted:

Wait wait wait, all the knock-off Avatar in this show... Is that why there's so much love triangle nonsense in it?! Because that was 40% of Legend of Korra? What a weird thing to focus the show on rather than their boulder-launching kung fu.

The important thing to remember here, especially with Monty passed, is they don't particularly have a talent for planning the fighting stuff and they've got to fill up the time somehow while at the same time 'because <title> did it' is one of their guiding principles and the love triangle's a staple everywhere, right? It's pretty amazing how completely lacking in chemistry all of their onscreen pairings are, too. Nobody's passion blazes so much as parboils.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:13

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Sibyl Disobedience posted:

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

One of the few repeating criticisms I've been getting is that my presentation is too dense and tends to overwhelm the audience. Knowing when people aren't bumping against this helps me know that the steps I've taken to mitigate this problem are working.

I'm really not the guy who can help tell you if it's too dense haha.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:16

Babysitter Super Sleuth: Apr 26, 2012; my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Araki forgets plot-details and makes poo poo up all the time, and it works in his favor because JJBA isn't burdened with an over-arching plot. There's a general goal that can be summed up in two episodes while the remaining 90% is about out-fighting or out-smarting whatever random person that shows up, like a milkman who can physically control the calcium in people's bodies.

It's harder to get away with contrivances and weird poo poo in a series with a capital P-Plot.

As much as I love Araki and JoJo its telling that part 8, which is ostensibly a mystery genre that requires fairly in depth planning and plotting to even function as a narrative, is a complete loving mess of dropped plots, dead ends and red herrings that nobody can figure out even though it�s been running consistently for almost a decade.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:24

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

Srice posted:

There wasn't a whole lot to work off of, but here it is.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-12-03/gundam-creator-tomino-praises-and-criticizes-attack-on-titan-manga

He's an eccentric guy but despite the negative parts in his statement I think I can vibe with what he's going for with his compliments.

So I decided to try to translate his whole blog entry on this subject, both the positives and negatives, just because it's good practice. I know basically nothing about Attack on Titan, Tomino, or anything to do with the Japanese manga/animation industry at all. It seems like there's some kind of format to this blog, where "production supervisor A" introduces things?

Original text:
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-20259.html

quote:

Attack On Titan is something that I completely don't want to read, and I don't even really want to discuss it.

If you're someone who values aesthetics, does this show run completely counter to that?

Hello, it's production supervisor A. Today, I want to talk about Attack on Titan from an "aesthetic/artistic" point of view.

It's hard to really give Attack on Titan a seal of approval as an artistic work, but the director has some thoughts about what it is that drives the author Hajime Isayama to write it.

Attack on Titan is a work that directly represents the feelings of its author.

One Piece is a masterful example of a shonen manga. It's a charming, bright work that appeals to everyone.
On the other hand, Attack on Titan is a manga that's extremely hard for me to read, personally.

After I saw the author on TV a few times, though, I started to understand him a bit better, and his situation started to sink in. I realized that Attack on Titan is the way it is because Hajime Isayama is the way that he is. Essentially, because he had been a timid child, and he'd been bullied growing up, he turned to manga in order to vent his frustration.

Well, I say that Attack on Titan is a direct representation of the feelings of its author, and that's true. But something I appreciate is that the author goes out of his way to collect peoples' disgusted or unhappy faces and uses them to reference the titans. In other words, it's not just the author's feelings that are represented in the work.

All while saying that he's not really a talented artist, Isayama works extremely hard to draw the things that he personally hates the most, going so far as to turn them into a serialized manga. He's working hard to establish himself as an "author" instead of just a "mangaka". I can certainly understand the drive for storytelling and creation that Isayama has. And at the root of it all, Isayama's experience of childhood bullying is what allowed him to create such a gloomy setting in the first place.

However, while I can certainly understand Isayama's perspective and where he's coming from, if you had to ask me, from an old fart's perspective, what I really thought about creating a manga set in such a horrific world? I absolutely can't stand it. The art is practically a mixture of the grotesque and the erotic - naturally, this is not something I'd like to see.

That's why I say that Attack on Titan is, personally, something that I don't want to read or even discuss.

Maybe it says something about how rough our modern life and times are that a manga like Attack on Titan is so well-received. And at the same time, I feel like there's another reason.*

* He ends the article saying that he feels like there is one other reason, but he doesn't elaborate and I have no idea what he means by it.

A lot of the comments on the article are people saying he's jealous of Attack on Titan or that he's hating on them cause they're business rivals. Seems like everyone in the comment section calls him baldy.

quote:

禿はいつもどおりやな
禿が貶す作品は名作

This comment says "Same old baldy. If baldy bashes it, it's gotta be a masterpiece."

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:28

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUTiHf2zVQg

Speaking of Miyazaki.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:34

Mr Phillby: Apr 8, 2009; ~TRAVIS~

Casey Finnigan posted:

So I decided to try to translate his whole blog entry on this subject, both the positives and negatives, just because it's good practice. I know basically nothing about Attack on Titan, Tomino, or anything to do with the Japanese manga/animation industry at all. It seems like there's some kind of format to this blog, where "production supervisor A" introduces things?

Original text:
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-20259.html

* He ends the article saying that he feels like there is one other reason, but he doesn't elaborate and I have no idea what he means by it.

A lot of the comments on the article are people saying he's jealous of Attack on Titan or that he's hating on them cause they're business rivals. Seems like everyone in the comment section calls him baldy.

This comment says "Same old baldy. If baldy bashes it, it's gotta be a masterpiece."

I'm not a big fan of Attack on Titan but from what I've seen of it I have no idea why this dude thinks it's especially erotic?

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:44

Leal: Oct 2, 2009

Mr Phillby posted:

I'm not a big fan of Attack on Titan but from what I've seen of it I have no idea why this dude thinks it's especially erotic?

Vore fetishists

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:49

Beefstew: Oct 30, 2010; I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Leal posted:

Vore fetishists

That's the obvious joke, but in all seriousness there are so many scenes of characters being bound, gagged, chained, etc.

Also, go back to Cowboy Bebop and make note of how many times Faye gets tied up.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:52

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

Srice posted:

Yea and I feel like it's not reaching to say that the subset of person that goes to college and winds up partying all the time because for the first time in their life they're living an unsupervised life is a pretty universal thing, not just American.

Yeah it just bothered me a lot given that I went to an American college and it undergraduate was easily the hardest and most stressful schooling I ever had. The system is designed to fail as many people as possible to generate more revenue.

Mr Phillby posted:

I'm not a big fan of Attack on Titan but from what I've seen of it I have no idea why this dude thinks it's especially erotic?

It's viscerally violent and the monsters are giant naked humans. Same way that even if there is no literal on-screen sex Alien is still a highly sexual movie.
edit:

Beefstew posted:

That's the obvious joke, but in all seriousness there are so many scenes of characters being bound, gagged, chained, etc.

Also, go back to Cowboy Bebop and make note of how many times Faye gets tied up.

Oh yeah totally forgot the general being put into the fetish drink your own poop machine.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:55

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

There's a lot of nudity, and not all of it is hideous. There is, at the very least, an obsessive interest in human anatomy in Isayama's art, and it's up to you if you see that as erotic.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:55

Beefstew: Oct 30, 2010; I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Darth Walrus posted:

There's a lot of nudity, and not all of it is hideous. There is, at the very least, an obsessive interest in human anatomy in Isayama's art, and it's up to you if you see that as erotic.

Which is funny, considering it takes him like 50 chapters before he learns how to draw.
He's always said that he's more interested in writing and storyboarding than he is in illustrating, and you can really see that. Don't know if the series would've survived if the anime hadn't given it a visual facelift while Isayama really nailed down his writing.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:58

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

One Punch Man looks like it was drawn by a child and got popular.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 20:59

Pants Donkey: Nov 13, 2011

RareAcumen posted:

Wait wait wait, all the knock-off Avatar in this show... Is that why there's so much love triangle nonsense in it?! Because that was 40% of Legend of Korra? What a weird thing to focus the show on rather than their boulder-launching kung fu.

Korra�s love triangle mercifully died with Mostly Bad season 2, and unsurprisingly seasons 3 and 4 were substantial improvements.

Although this may be less due to a conscious decision of the writers and more because Nick wasn�t going to let them have overtly queer on-screen relationships.

Pants Donkey fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jul 30, 2020

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:00

Mywhatacleanturtle: Jul 23, 2006

Beefstew posted:

That's the obvious joke, but in all seriousness there are so many scenes of characters being bound, gagged, chained, etc.

Also, go back to Cowboy Bebop and make note of how many times Faye gets tied up.

On this same note, I recently reread early Wheel of Time and the BDSM subtext is... not exactly subtle.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:01

Beefstew: Oct 30, 2010; I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Groovelord Neato posted:

One Punch Man looks like it was drawn by a child and got popular.

And it was redrawn by someone else when it got outta web comic format, right?
But yes, ONE's series are carried by their writing, and have the benefit of having some great adaptations (1st season of OPM and both seasons of Mob Psycho 100.)

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:02

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

The AoT comic was already pretty popular before the anime. Like I'm pretty sure it was the most popular ongoing in its particular magazine at least.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:04

Beefstew: Oct 30, 2010; I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Mywhatacleanturtle posted:

On this same note, I recently reread early Wheel of Time and the BDSM subtext is... not exactly subtle.

It's always entertaining to find the author's fetish.
Hayao Miyazaki had a strange fixation on amputees.
Araki's got this weird thing about people's skin peeling off.
Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.
Yoko Taro likes big booty femdom characters.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:05

Pants Donkey: Nov 13, 2011

Beefstew posted:

It's always entertaining to find the author's fetish.
Hayao Miyazaki had a strange fixation on amputees.
Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.
Yoko Taro likes big booty femdom characters.

In the case of Yoko Taro, that was less �finding� and more him just straight-up telling people he likes big butts and cannot lie.

He even asked for fanart.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:07

Terrible Opinions: Oct 18, 2013

Beefstew posted:

It's always entertaining to find the author's fetish.
Hayao Miyazaki had a strange fixation on amputees.
Araki's got this weird thing about people's skin peeling off.
Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.
Yoko Taro likes big booty femdom characters.

Reki Kawahara has a really obvious cuckold thing.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:07

Alaois: Feb 7, 2012

ONE's art isn't very good on a technical level but his layouts and pacing are really good

Beefstew posted:

Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.

hey motherfucker, update your lore, a recent interview clarified that Miyazaki doesn't have a foot fetish, he wants to be punched by a giant mushroom and cum

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:11

RareAcumen: Dec 28, 2012

Groovelord Neato posted:

One Punch Man looks like it was drawn by a child and got popular.

Yeah his art was not great. But it was still understandable even though his hands looked like he was making hand turkeys or whatever.

It got a lot better though, at least.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:12

Babysitter Super Sleuth: Apr 26, 2012; my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Yoshiyuki Tomino is a legendarily horny person, which is part of it, but he�s also using it in a more academic sense than you normally see it used - �eroticism� can mean more than just being directly sexual or pornographic, it can refer to base excitement and desire or catharsis with a sexual dimension to it, or the sublimation of sexual desires into other behavior, and you can sort of see that kind of dimension to the way titans come off and act like they�re horny for eating people.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:15

Leal: Oct 2, 2009

Little people wrap rope around giant naked people and amputate them before being swallowed

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:16

Jamie Faith: Jan 13, 2020

Beefstew posted:

Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.

Really? I never got that impression from any of their work. ( I haven't read much of Magi but I've played a ton of Bloodborne and Demon Souls)

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:22

Beefstew: Oct 30, 2010; I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Jamie Faith posted:

Really? I never got that impression from any of their work. ( I haven't read much of Magi but I've played a ton of Bloodborne and Demon Souls)

The Souls games have lots of barefoot women, with many doing animations that really accentuate their feet (gently kicking legs, etc). In Ashes of Ariendel, there's a decently long close up of Elfriede's feet before she fights you. Then immediately afterwords you run into another barefoot girl. Idk, I just call it like I see it.
With Ohtaka, she frequently has barefoot main characters, most notably Morgiana, with a great emphasis on feet (eventually putting her weapon around her ankles). Her new manga featured a monster that was a giant foot made out of smaller feet. I cant make this poo poo up.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:34

Flying Zamboni: May 7, 2007; but, uh... well, there it is

Beefstew posted:

Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.

I don't remember a lot of foot stuff in Dark Souls. Did dataminers find that the character was originally called Feetseeker Frampt or something?

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:34

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Beefstew posted:

Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.

Ditto Makoto Shinkai.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:36

Jamie Faith: Jan 13, 2020

Beefstew posted:

Her new manga featured a monster that was a giant foot made out of smaller feet. I cant make this poo poo up.

lmao what in tarnation

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:36

Mywhatacleanturtle: Jul 23, 2006

Beefstew posted:

It's always entertaining to find the author's fetish.
Hayao Miyazaki had a strange fixation on amputees.
Araki's got this weird thing about people's skin peeling off.
Hidetaka Miyazaki and Shinobu Ohtaka both have obvious foot fetishes.
Yoko Taro likes big booty femdom characters.

I�m not sure why authors are still using their mainstream work as an outlet for their kinks when the internet exists and you can reach like-minded people directly. Like, why not keep your weight gain fetish poo poo or we safely partitioned away from the cartoon you�re showrunning that�s marketed towards kids.

Beefstew posted:

The Souls games have lots of barefoot women, with many doing animations that really accentuate their feet (gently kicking legs, etc). In Ashes of Ariendel, there's a decently long close up of Elfriede's feet before she fights you. Then immediately afterwords you run into another barefoot girl. Idk, I just call it like I see it.
With Ohtaka, she frequently has barefoot main characters, most notably Morgiana, with a great emphasis on feet (eventually putting her weapon around her ankles). Her new manga featured a monster that was a giant foot made out of smaller feet. I cant make this poo poo up.

I... I think this may be the first instance of a woman having a foot fetish I�ve ever heard of. Like, I�m trying to think of another example, no matter how minor, but I�m coming up short.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:46

Veib: Dec 10, 2007

Beefstew posted:

Her new manga featured a monster that was a giant foot made out of smaller feet. I cant make this poo poo up.

You can't just post things like this without providing pictures, this I gotta see

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:51

Jamie Faith: Jan 13, 2020

Veib posted:

You can't just post things like this without providing pictures, this I gotta see

Asking for feet pics in the internet critic discussion thread smh

# ? Jul 30, 2020 21:53

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

I'm only like 80%, 90% convinced on the feet thing, but Hidetaka Miyazaki is a massive masochist and Souls games are as hard as they are because he personally wants to be killed in all these new and exciting ways.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 22:02

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Veib posted:

You can't just post things like this without providing pictures, this I gotta see

I would but I don�t want to get in trouble for posting movie bob pictures

# ? Jul 30, 2020 22:09

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:56

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

I dunno if the whole "frequently barefoot, possibly disabled demure female helper" thing in the Souls games is purely fetish fodder vs. some kind of intentional point vs. a more general trope being employed but it is kinda :raise:

no matter how you frame it.

# ? Jul 30, 2020 22:16

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