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Lockback posted:To make it more complex there is 2070 & 2060 and 2070 & 2060 Max-Q, where MQ have reduced clock speeds for power savings. Which one is "better" depends on thermals and how often you'll be gaming without a power cord. It will always be plugged in, so the Max-Q versions don’t appeal to me. Leaning towards the 2060 after hearing from y’all. Seems to be a sweet spot, unless I find a killer deal on one with a 2070.
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SamEyeAm posted:It will always be plugged in, so the Max-Q versions don’t appeal to me. Leaning towards the 2060 after hearing from y’all. Seems to be a sweet spot, unless I find a killer deal on one with a 2070. It's still worth looking up specific reviews for the model(s) you're considering. There are laptops with full-fat GPUs with lovely cooling that ends up with them throttling to the point they're barely (if at all) faster than the MaxQ versions. Though thankfully those cases are a lot less common than in previous generations.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:If you have access to an .edu email: https://techbargains.com/deals/asus-tuf-gaming-laptop Color Gamut: 45%NTSC 
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Trying to wrap my head around the options. Tell me if this is right.. 2070 - full power version, potential drawback is overheating. Full fat milk? 2070 Max-Q - power is limited to help with overheating. Skim milk? 2070 Super Max-Q - somewhere in between? 2% milk?
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-ampere-launch-by-september Toms Hardware is suggesting that final Ampere products are heading to partners within 1-2 weeks, positing that the launch could even be as early as the end of August. As always, grain/salt/etc That seems super optimistic but I'm hoping they'll at least unveil the lineup by end of next month. Taima fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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SamEyeAm posted:For laptop GeForce cards, where is the best value currently? The least powerful I’m willing to go is 1660Ti. Is the performance increase of the 2060 worth the extra cost? Or the 2070 compared to the 2060? Don’t think I’ll be forking out for anything with a 2080. The ROG G14 is popular these days with the combo of an AMD 8-core CPU with a 2060 in a small 14" form-factor.
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cost not accounted for, is a 1080ti in an egpu enclosure a worthwhile upgrade over the 2070 max-q currently in my laptop?
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Fauxtool posted:cost not accounted for, is a 1080ti in an egpu enclosure a worthwhile upgrade over the 2070 max-q currently in my laptop? Depends. In pure numbers, the 1080Ti is 40-50% faster than a 2070 MaxQ. But being in an eGPU hurts a lot: you can expect to lose about 20% if you're outputting directly to an external screen and 30-50% if you're dragging it back in to use the laptop screen (30/40/50% for TB3/2/1 connections, respectively), which puts quite the damper on how much actual benefit you'd get, to the point of almost 0% on a TB1 connection. But, yeah, if you're using an external screen you'd still get maybe a 30% speed bump. Whether that's worth the cost of such a setup is another question entirely. 1080ti prices should also drop once the 3000's are actually announced.
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SamEyeAm posted:Trying to wrap my head around the options. Tell me if this is right.. Sort of, though they are very close. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobil...=1&memorytype=1 2070S fat is the top but I don't know I've seen those too often. 2070S-MQ is a nice GPU.
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The 2070 Super is effectively a 2080. They use the same core.
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Hey goons, I snagged a Radeon Founder's Edition for scientific computing with some light gaming on the side. The default clocks and thermals are pretty... optimistic, given its cooling, and I've had some luck with undervolting and selective downclocking while playing with the power limit. But here's my question: does anyone here have the stock Vega 64 pstate voltages and clockspeed values? I've had a bear of a time finding them online, and would love to have access to that data as a saner baseline than what the card tries to push by default.
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ufarn posted:Nvidia's ARM acquisition is sounding very likely. Am I going crazy or did I remember NVIDIA's Falcon being based on RISC-V as their new mini processor they are sprinkling on all their hardware (inside all of their ASICs)? Not that they were doing it to try and completely side-step / avoid ARM, but not having to pay a license fee on every GPU they sell + getting your feet wet with a different ISA is always a good thing. I'm not intimately familiar with Mellanox's offerings under the hood, but since they now got that business too, I wonder if there is some consolidation of processors to be had. The crazy thing to me was diving into the Jetson (IIRC) block diagram and realizing how hog-wild they went with sprinkling SIP blocks around — IIRC the audio subsystem has a full Cortex-A9 hanging out in there because I'm sure someone there was like "Well I not only have the RTL but also a layout for this block, so glue it to your AXI bus and hey, free audio "DSP"!".
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https://twitter.com/gfxlisa/status/1289299095337578496?s=21 Interested to see how this performs when Xe gets going.
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Taima posted:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-ampere-launch-by-september What a terrible time for my friend to be coming to me asking for PC advice. Wonder if it's worth holding off for potential 2xxx price cuts.
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It's worth holding out for the 3000 series. The only time it's been a particularly good move to buy a price cut GPU just before a new generation was the 1080 Ti, and that was a combination of price ripples from the crypto market cratering and how unimpressive Turing was at launch. You're not going to see those conditions this time around, right now it's time to patiently sit on your money. If your friend needs a GPU right now, he should go buy a used RX 580 and turn around and resell it in a few months.
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Now is just about the right time to hunt for deals on an evga 2xxx card if you want to gamble on the step-up window.
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As of today, you're pretty safe if you take a bet on the EVGA Step Up program. Just read this entire page and *follow the directions* to avoid getting sandbagged: https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/ Expect a 3-6 month wait to get your "it's your turn" email, too.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:As of today, you're pretty safe if you take a bet on the EVGA Step Up program. Just read this entire page and *follow the directions* to avoid getting sandbagged: https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/ Part of me is tempted to get a 2080S now as an upgrade to my 2070S and stepping up to a 3080 or 3090. I really doubt the 2080S is enough of an improvement to make dealing with shipping stuff worthwhile though.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Part of me is tempted to get a 2080S now as an upgrade to my 2070S and stepping up to a 3080 or 3090. I really doubt the 2080S is enough of an improvement to make dealing with shipping stuff worthwhile though. It isn't - I think the 2080S is only ~5% faster (in most cases) than the 2080, and the 2070S *is* for all intents and purposes a 2080. The ~other~ thing they really should put in the Step Up directions is "please consider if you'll have the money on hand to pay the difference when your window opens in up to six months' time." If the 3090 is going to be the new "Titan," it wouldn't surprise me if EVGA doesn't give it as an option. Obviously we won't know until THEY SAY ~SOMETHING~. 
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How long typically after a launch are water-cooled cards available? I've been thinking recently of upgrading from my 2070S with a block to something that came water ready from the factory
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:How long typically after a launch are water-cooled cards available? I've been thinking recently of upgrading from my 2070S with a block to something that came water ready from the factory It can be a few months, if you mean the AIO versions. The 1080Ti launched in March 2017, the EVGA hybrid came out in May 2017. The 2080 came out at the end of Sep 2018, but I don't think the EVGA hybrid was out until Jan/Feb 2019. MSI has the Sea Hawk line, too, but I didn't check on the dates for those. You can also add your own on there via a AIO of your choice (H55 is a favorite) plus a G10/G12 bracket. Doing it yourself really isn't hard, is generally cheaper, and you can (hopefully) transport it to a new card if you care to. Plus you can do that day 1, assuming you can get a GPU at all. If you're talking the full-block versions to tie in to a CLC, those are highly variable, but generally not for a few months after launch at least.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:How long typically after a launch are water-cooled cards available? I've been thinking recently of upgrading from my 2070S with a block to something that came water ready from the factory The EVGA stuff took quite a long time to release. I bought their hybrid kit and put it on my 2080ti because it came out before the prepackaged kits.
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DrDork posted:It can be a few months, if you mean the AIO versions. The 1080Ti launched in March 2017, the EVGA hybrid came out in May 2017. The 2080 came out at the end of Sep 2018, but I don't think the EVGA hybrid was out until Jan/Feb 2019. MSI has the Sea Hawk line, too, but I didn't check on the dates for those. I've done the G12/H55 dance, I've moved onto a custom loop  I'm wondering about stuff with blocks pre-applied from the factory. I think MSI's Seahawk line is like that, and I thought EVGA has some of the hydro copper for use in a loop VelociBacon posted:The EVGA stuff took quite a long time to release. I bought their hybrid kit and put it on my 2080ti because it came out before the prepackaged kits. Hmm. Hopefully not too long this time Endymion FRS MK1 fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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I seem to recall it took several months for MSI to make their Sea Hawk EK unit available for each generation, I was mildly tempted by the 2080ti version but decided against it because it was a custom board (I've had better luck with reference boards). My current card is a 1080 Sea Hawk, the one with the AIO, but I pulled the AIO and stuck an EKWB full cover block on it instead. It is coming up on 4 years old and still kicking, I never would have thought a GPU would last that long and still be reasonably relevant. But I am fairly interested in whatever the 3000 series has to offer, ready to jump on the RTX/DLSS bandwagons.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I've done the G12/H55 dance, I've moved onto a custom loop Then you might be better off looking at some of the 3rd parties like Bykski, EK, or Phanteks to put out a full block. Chances are it'll be out faster, and it probably won't end up being much (if any) more expensive than whatever EVGA / MSI put out. EVGA has used the "Hydro Copper" line for the full loop cards, MSI called theirs the "Sea Hawk EK."
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DrDork posted:Then you might be better off looking at some of the 3rd parties like Bykski, EK, or Phanteks to put out a full block. Chances are it'll be out faster, and it probably won't end up being much (if any) more expensive than whatever EVGA / MSI put out. EVGA has used the "Hydro Copper" line for the full loop cards, MSI called theirs the "Sea Hawk EK." That's where I'm at currently. My 2070S has an EK full block. But I'd trust a future 3080 with a factory installed full block more because I'm weird
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I have to admit that I don't really "get" water cooling. Modern air cooling is really loving good, especially these new cases with the giant dual 200mm fans in the front. I just got one the other day. This poo poo is whisper quiet and super cool. Is water cooling really that much better?
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Taima posted:I have to admit that I don't really "get" water cooling. Modern air cooling is really loving good, especially these new cases with the giant dual 200mm fans in the front. I just got one the other day. This poo poo is whisper quiet and super cool. Is water cooling really that much better? Probably not. My CPU did just fine with a Dark Rock Pro slapped on it. My GPU was running really hot and I still don't know why (the 1080 that it replaced was whisper quiet) but the G12/H55 combo put it down to mid 50s under load with not much noise. I could've lived with a CPU on air and the GPU under a CLC but I liked the aesthetics of a fully custom loop
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Taima posted:I have to admit that I don't really "get" water cooling. Modern air cooling is really loving good, especially these new cases with the giant dual 200mm fans in the front. I just got one the other day. This poo poo is whisper quiet and super cool. Is water cooling really that much better? Nah its mostly flashy BS. Youtubers and such. Nice Noctua will do you. Comes in handy if you swap parts every 3 days though.
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these days watercooling is kinda whatever yeah. ryzen sees a bit higher boost clocks on very heavy loads, but that's about it. cpus don't see a gigantic improvement with lower temps anymore. nvidia gpus have bios signed now so you can't really dick around with the cards without doing physical voltmods. the only reason i still have this 980Ti is because it overclocked to 1600mhz on a custom 1.3V bios and then the value just wasn't there with getting a 1080Ti when i was already benching at around non-Ti 1080 and wouldn't be able to overvolt. and then 2000 series had really lovely prices. so that leaves... radeon 5700 xt? lmao. however, having poo poo run at 55-56 degrees under load even in this summer heat, and completely silently, feels nice. Truga fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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"Better" in raw cooling performance, especially in a big case with lots of airflow? No, not really. But water does have some advantages in various situations that are a big more edge case-ish, but come up more in the enthusiast world. Stuff like its ability to move the heat dissipation away from it's source, which lets you do things like build crazy dense ITX builds or multi GPU setups that would otherwise be thermal throttling. It also lets you move mass out of the socket/card area which can be good for looks, and good for builds that get moved around a lot to reduce stress on the PCB/slots/sockets, and instead move that weight to places that are just bolted to stamped steel. They also have a higher thermal mass than air coolers, which can be good for "peaky" workloads as they don't heat soak quite as fast for equal dissipation rates. And they are a lot easier to mount/unmount, for jobs that might be testing lots of parts over the course of a day. But the average user? A good air cooler is as good as a good water cooler for much cheaper. That said, gaming computers are toys. It isn't all about statistical best units per dollar all the time. Sometimes people want poo poo they think looks cool, and thats fine. These are toys, not surgical implements.
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Also worth mentioning that's it's perfectly possible to find an all-in-one water cooler for less money than a heatsink+fan. I've gotten refurb Corsair Hydro coolers under $40 plenty of times and never had one leak. There's times I prefer them, like the Thermaltake Core V1 case already has a 200mm fan intake and you can mount an all-in-one 140mm radiator to that for an incredibly quiet setup. You'd think there wouldn't be enough static pressure but it was overkill in my case for an i7.
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I'll agree that for an average user who is looking for the best price:performance ratio, water cooling doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Watercooling CPUs is also pretty iffy in a lot of ways, especially if you have the space for a gently caress-off cooler like the D15 (though that cooler is also more expensive than some of the AIOs, sooo...). Watercooling a GPU, on the other hand, can be pretty great. Yeah, I know modern air coolers work well, and they're nowhere near as loud as they used to be. But I've got an AIO strapped to my 1080Ti and even under heavy load it usually is chilling out in the 50C range, with a fan speed that's around 300-400RPM, making it all but silent. Air coolers are good, but they aren't that good. As a bonus, with the G10/12 mount I've been able to transplant the AIO across three cards so far, meaning I've been able to get the cheaper versions of the cards instead of shelling out the extra cash to get the upper-end models with the actually good air coolers. Not a big deal in the end, but it's something. And as pointed out, being able to physically remove the heat from the case directly, instead of hoping that your case fans do it, means you can mash high-powered gear into a smaller case. My next build is either going to be something like the NZXT H1, or maybe I'll just buy a Corsair One if they ever bother throwing a TB port on there so I can jam a 10Gb NIC on it--and water cooling makes those a lot more viable.
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I have a watercooled CPU (3960x on x72) and an aircooled GPU (Titan), and wish I had done it the other way around. The Wraith Rippers (air cooler) are better than any watercooling solution for Threadrippers. I'm tempted to go back to a testbench-style open case in the future so I don't have to worry about case, CPU, and GPU thermals interacting with each other. I spent a year on an open frame with a 1950x and 4x 1080 Tis and in hindsight, was the easiest to manage from a thermals perspective.  (I do ML competitions for fun & money on these machines)
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Watercooling might not be ideal for other parts as there will be very little airflow over the mainboard like the MOSFET and other components unless you also ensure the whole case has decent airflow. But then that's more fans and kinda defeats the purpose of water cooling in general. Also performance of some watercooling might degrade overtime too due to the liquid degradation etc.
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Watercooling isn't for everyone, and doesn't get you much on modern CPUs (heat spreaders are a massive thermal bottleneck). But it does work amazingly well on GPUs; my 1080 boosts to 2 GHz forever in any game I play and never breaks 50C. On the rare occasions when one is actually spinning, the mechanical hard disks in my machine are by far the loudest components. And the case has 6 fans running in it with tons of flow you can feel if you put your hands near it, just they never need to break 500 RPM and they are all 140MM fans. Beyond the sound benefit, its just a fun project.
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I had a 980ti hybrid and now have a hybrid kit on my 2080ti xc ultra, both EVGA cards, and unless my memory is wrong, the 980ti temps were slow to rise. The 2080ti temps shoot up immediately like a CPU does (they're less than on air and they drop immediately when load ends) and I dunno why this could be.
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My 970 ran real hot playing Grounded the other night, to the point my room heated up to an uncomfortable degree even though I had all windows open. I'm assuming it's because that is a really old card and modern games even on default modest settings are now pushing it to its limit. 3080 cant come out soon enough.
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Truga posted:these days watercooling is kinda whatever yeah. ryzen sees a bit higher boost clocks on very heavy loads, but that's about it. cpus don't see a gigantic improvement with lower temps anymore. Personally, I have a Threadripper, which is a bit harder to cool under load, plus my mainboard doesn't support time constants in the fan controller to smooth out reactions to those dumb Precision Boost temp spikes. The fans in my current loop are controlled based on water temperature. So on peaky loads, the fans don't even spool up noticeably. Nice to keep things silent.
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