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The show doesn't need him.
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Aug 1, 2020 21:32
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Hope season 4 wraps most of the current plotlines.
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Aug 1, 2020 21:38
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itry posted:The show doesn't need him. I mean good riddance to the prick but he wrote the entire show, to a large extent it *is* him. For better or worse the next season after Ellis's material is through (assuming there is one) will be significantly different, his work has a very distinct voice and sensibility and whoever comes next won't have the same idiosyncrasies that made the show so distinct. Whatever comes next could still be good, but I really wouldn't take it for granted that ditching the author will have no bearing on the quality or tone of the show.
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Aug 1, 2020 21:49
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Yeah I mean I really believe there are people who can write a good Castlevania show but the show we have now is absolutely 100% in his signature voice, and the transition could be very rough.
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Aug 1, 2020 22:03
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A lot of work goes into these type of shows. He may have written the story beats, but he didn't direct/cast/produce any of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. If the rest of the production or Netflix wants to make another season with the same "feel", they can make it happen. If they aren't going to bother, I'm ok with that too.
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Aug 1, 2020 22:04
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If S4 finishes up Trevor's story you can go for a clean break by jumping ahead in time and switching tone a bit. What I'm saying is, Castlevania should pull a JoJo.
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Aug 1, 2020 22:16
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itry posted:A lot of work goes into these type of shows. He may have written the story beats, but he didn't direct/cast/produce any of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. He was the showrunner and wrote the script for every episode in its entirety, without taking anything away from the directors or animators there was a heck of alot of his vision in the show.
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Aug 1, 2020 22:23
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multijoe posted:He was the showrunner and wrote the script for every episode in its entirety, without taking anything away from the directors or animators there was a heck of alot of his vision in the show. Yeah, every piece of dialogue in the show is extremely Ellis. It's really inescapable if you've ever read any of his other works.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:16
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Did they say why he was leaving?
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Aug 1, 2020 23:34
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Google only has three recent write-ups I'm seeing (Superhero Hype, Bleeding Cool, and CBR). One says no direct statement has been made, and two say it was due to allegations, though link no evidence of any actual statement by Ellis or Netflix. So I'm going to lean on no publicly given reason(s) yet.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:54
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multijoe posted:He was the showrunner and wrote the script for every episode in its entirety, without taking anything away from the directors or animators there was a heck of alot of his vision in the show. He's not the show runner, Adi Shankar is. Ellis is way too mercenary to be that involved in production besides writing the script.
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Aug 2, 2020 00:40
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https://www.newsweek.com/warren-ellis-allegations-sexual-abuse-1517393 Serial sexual abuser, turns out.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:https://www.newsweek.com/warren-ellis-allegations-sexual-abuse-1517393 Yeah, we knew, but this is the media business, so there's no guarantee that's why he left.
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Aug 2, 2020 03:21
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Hope season 4 wraps most of the current plotlines. Let’s be real here, this is Netflix, season 4 will be the last regardless of if they resolve everything or not, that’s just how they roll with mid-tier series.
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Aug 2, 2020 03:43
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A new writer could be good or bad; the tone's already been set so it would be interesting to see how someone new develops it post-S4 if it continues. As for Warren Ellis, things like this are going to keep happening so long as: 1) late Gen-X/early millenials are the biggest market (and everything so far suggests this is the new boomers); 2) the people who made the stuff this group liked as adolescents in the 90s/early 2000s, who are mostly nerd guys with deeply ingrained issues from high school, are around to pick up on that windfall; 3) there are young people who are interested in the same stuff and willing to suspend their skepticism when an old successful guy takes an interest in their career for reasons (and honestly it's pretty normal for a like 20-22 year old to be a bit naive about whether an older person has an ulterior motive / receptive to the message that he might be an old horndog but they are ~special~); 4) late millenials/gen Z haven't yet taken over as creators of most of the content that appeals to group 1. I'd like to see a path for people who've been publicly shamed to continue to make stuff without either being celebrities or pariahs, but then so little entertainment gets big and the chance of getting big is such a huge incentive to aspiring creative types that maybe we're stuck with the current system, where 99.9% of people fail and the remaining 0.1% are showered with so much flattery that anyone who's at all insecure is very likely to end up abusing their celebrity.
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There’s also something to be said for the fact that these deeply ingrained psycho-sexual dysfunctions inform the material that made/makes them famous in the first place. You can quite clearly see this being the case with people like Ellis, Louis CK, Chris D’Elia... these men became famous and powerful in part due to their views on sex and women and relationships and how those views influenced the work their fans consumed and responded to. The first two years of #MeToo were extremely rough because after like the 5th or 6th big loss I had to take a step back and re-examine my entire life, because my favorite comedian, author, singer/songwriter, and actor all got #MeToo’d, and I realized that every man I had grown up admiring and let my tastes be defined by was an inappropriate deviant at best or a pedofile rapist at worst and I need to reckon with that and how I think that has shaped my own attitudes. It just sucks to think that you could be so deeply influenced by such hosed up people, or that the things that resonate with you on a deeper level might be the bastardized version of a real life story that caused one of these victims real pain.
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Bust Rodd posted:There’s also something to be said for the fact that these deeply ingrained psycho-sexual dysfunctions inform the material that made/makes them famous in the first place. You can quite clearly see this being the case with people like Ellis, Louis CK, Chris D’Elia... these men became famous and powerful in part due to their views on sex and women and relationships and how those views influenced the work their fans consumed and responded to. A lot of it is also power. When people are able to push around their power and no they will receive little to no consequence to them then their real character emerges.
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Aug 3, 2020 07:46
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So many of our cultural heroes have this misbeggotten attitude when it comes to women its insane and I'm exempting the 60s and 70s here. As a straight dude, the idea of going into the arts "to pick up chicks" is so heavily ingrained its insane. And I'm starting to see it as problematic. Shy, introverted, or less than smooth guys using their skills to impress women that wouldnt ordinarily look twice at them seems innocuous to me but when its then used totrawl through impressionable young women like your a ship off Alaska and they're krill is when it turns absolutely lovely. Establishing that line comes down to power dynamics I suppose, like everything else.
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Aug 3, 2020 15:13
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And most people nowadays are at best not taught, at worst deliberately miseducated about power dynamics.
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Aug 3, 2020 16:56
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Dias posted:If S4 finishes up Trevor's story you can go for a clean break by jumping ahead in time and switching tone a bit. What I'm saying is, Castlevania should pull a JoJo. I'm okay with getting some seasons of Simon.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:23
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I think the only issue with Simon is that he never really had companions in the games, so they'd have to round out the cast outside of the source material. Though I guess they've built up Alucard and Carmilla and her sisters enough to still be around when another generation of Belmonts comes around.
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DO DRACULA WAR
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sticklefifer posted:I think the only issue with Simon is that he never really had companions in the games, so they'd have to round out the cast outside of the source material. Though I guess they've built up Alucard and Carmilla and her sisters enough to still be around when another generation of Belmonts comes around. Someone said earlier to just have Simon do a noir monologue the entire time while killing skeletons with axes. Either that or, I dunno, Isabelle.
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Aug 9, 2020 08:37
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He can talk to his imaginary friends. He'll have something in common with Alucard.
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Aug 9, 2020 13:38
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Julius when
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Aug 9, 2020 14:31
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Just elevate randos he finds in the villages of Castlevania II.
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Just have Simon talk to his hair.
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Thundercracker posted:Just elevate randos he finds in the villages of Castlevania II. And keep the poor translation.
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Aug 10, 2020 04:54
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I think nows the time for a new direction for the show. Now hear me out on this this one...
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Aug 10, 2020 10:40
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Thundercracker posted:Just elevate randos he finds in the villages of Castlevania II. It's Error and Bug's time to shine!
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Aug 10, 2020 15:01
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https://twitter.com/samueldeats/status/1379207920974434305?s=21
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This is a surprise, I thought this whole thing had been poo poo canned harder than Warren Ellises career.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:06
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Season 4 or the show?
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Apr 6, 2021 20:08
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I know that's Lord of the Rings but I sure hope this doesn't go Hobbit on us for Season 4.
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Technowolf posted:It's Error and Bug's time to shine!
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Apr 6, 2021 23:39
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I'm confused. Are we happy or sad?
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Apr 7, 2021 01:25
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I still don't know if they're saying the next season is done or the show itself is canceled and done.
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Apr 7, 2021 01:50
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still don't know if they're saying the next season is done or the show itself is canceled and done. If it was canceled I feel like they wouldn't bother teasing it. Maybe it ends with S4, maybe the tweet is just bait.
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Judging by the replies it sounds like it was an exhausting season to do. Most of their other replies to people are gifs of characters crawling into bed (or comical substitutes).
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