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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

King Vidiot posted:

Has there been any bad poo poo come out about Graham Norton? Just fire Ellen and replace her with Graham Norton, they both have the same energy and delivery anyway.

He’s become an institution in the UK, and his first attempt here at an American TV show crashed and burned, if I remember correctly, so I don’t see him trying again.

Granted, the age of YouTube has certainly helped grow his celebrity over here in the states since his last attempt.

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RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Skwirl posted:

I'm not sure why, but I've long suspected Ellen DeGeneres was a heinous bitch to work for.

During the writer's strike, she told all her writers she was with them the first day and then fired them the next. gently caress her.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

I don't think I've ever heard a bad story about Norton. And he's been on TV here for decades.

I have some bad news about the TV culture in the UK...

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
Nah Norton is well-liked, there's no stories about him that imply he's some secret monster.

Fun fact: most of BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY was shot by the AD because Singer wouldn't show up to set. Always with no warning too, so you're in a situation where every day you show up to work not knowing if the guy who's supposed to be running things is going to turn up or not. On any set that's pretty irresponsible, let alone a major production. This was why he and Malek didn't get along (because Malek and the rest of the cast did all this prep and Singer clearly didn't give a poo poo) and even when he did show up it would be to oversee some shots and then let someone else do the whole directing thing. Even after he was officially off the project I was told that he 'unofficially' was overseeing the editing.

I heard pretty similar things from DOFP and was told he kept getting work because he would turn projects in on time and under budget so studios loved him (I thought that would've ended with that Jack and the Beanstalk movie, remember that disaster?). There's obviously the more nefarious rumours that he has a lot of dirt on people but best I can tell that's just conjecture, though it would make sense.

DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Aug 1, 2020

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


thrawn527 posted:

He’s become an institution in the UK, and his first attempt here at an American TV show crashed and burned, if I remember correctly, so I don’t see him trying again.

Granted, the age of YouTube has certainly helped grow his celebrity over here in the states since his last attempt.

It's funny Norton failed while an absolute zero like James Corden is a success.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Groovelord Neato posted:

It's funny Norton failed while an absolute zero like James Corden is a success.

I'm not sure funny is the right word. Corden is the worst. But watching Graham Norton on YouTube makes me happy that he gets to do his thing, at least. He's the best at what he does, and I'm not sure I'd want to upset that apple cart.

If you haven't watched the Graham Norton episode with Bill Murray, Matt Damon, and Hugh Bonneville where they're advertising Monuments Men, you owe it to yourself. It's an hour of pure joy.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Groovelord Neato posted:

It's funny Norton failed while an absolute zero like James Corden is a success.

Corden is the avatar of anodyne humour and faux sincerity. He was built in a lab for American talk show TV. He is weaponised banality.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
https://twitter.com/BarkyBoogz/status/1289315577119543299?s=20

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."



Whoa, I clearly haven't been keeping up with what's been happening on the Ellen show recently.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

exquisite tea posted:

Whoa, I clearly haven't been keeping up with what's been happening on the Ellen show recently.

From the last page, but there were a couple tangents and other terrible people in Hollywood stories so not shocked some people missed it.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

RevKrule posted:

During the writer's strike, she told all her writers she was with them the first day and then fired them the next. gently caress her.

Sometimes your instincts tell you you were right all along, while other people were insisting that you just don't get it or -gasp- maybe you're homophobic (which is just lol, people acting like "coming out" on her failing show was Stonewall II).

Not funny, never funny, stupid face, tyrant, likes George W.
Conclusion: Eat poo poo, Ellen.

whydirt
Apr 18, 2001


Gaz Posting Brigade :c00lbert:
It can both be true that Ellen was unfairly pushed out of Hollywood by homophobes for coming out and that her status as a victim didn’t make her empathetic to others when she got power of her own.

Being a victim doesn’t magically make you a good person.

Fargin Icehole
Feb 19, 2011

Pet me.
Let's see her dance her way outta this one

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

I don't think I've ever heard a bad story about Norton. And he's been on TV here for decades.

I worked on his show for four years and he's the nicest man. Really upstanding to work with and great. He helped us all clean up once after a particular guest made a massive mess of their dressing room.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

whydirt posted:

It can both be true that Ellen was unfairly pushed out of Hollywood by homophobes for coming out and that her status as a victim didn’t make her empathetic to others when she got power of her own.

Being a victim doesn’t magically make you a good person.

True on both counts. But as with the Osbourne family, sometimes your gut feeling turns out being the right one. S'all.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"


maybe I have a warped sense of who is famous but I think Brad Garrett is the most famous person to call Ellen out

I feel like most famous people want to stay on her good side because she's got power

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


DC Murderverse posted:

maybe I have a warped sense of who is famous but I think Brad Garrett is the most famous person to call Ellen out

I feel like most famous people want to stay on her good side because she's got power

Yeah, the only people I’ve seen call her out have been writers. Even Karen Kilgariff, who got done INSANELY dirty by Ellen, still only refers to her time there obliquely.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

PriorMarcus posted:

I worked on his show for four years and he's the nicest man. Really upstanding to work with and great. He helped us all clean up once after a particular guest made a massive mess of their dressing room.

That's so good to hear :3:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Vintersorg posted:

I believe it was eggs too. Bruce Dickinson loving hates her.

Also: reminder that, as far as anyone knows, Bruce Dickinson is awesome as gently caress. Ozzy is a drug-addled buffoon with about an inch and a half of brain left and Dickinson captained Iron Maiden's very own 747 for one of their tours.

Also awesome: Graham Norton. Because he realizes his job as a host is to facilitate his guests, not to be the centre of attention all the time. At the same time, he knows how to step in when necessary.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lumbermouth posted:

Yeah, the only people I’ve seen call her out have been writers. Even Karen Kilgariff, who got done INSANELY dirty by Ellen, still only refers to her time there obliquely.

Do you have details, her wikipedia page doesn't mention it beyond just saying she was the head writer.

I bet a lot of former employees had to sign NDAs, and/or don't want to be seen as vindictive or difficult to work with. Other shows are probably less likely to hire you if they think you'll poo poo talk them the moment you leave.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Skwirl posted:

Do you have details, her wikipedia page doesn't mention it beyond just saying she was the head writer.

I bet a lot of former employees had to sign NDAs, and/or don't want to be seen as vindictive or difficult to work with. Other shows are probably less likely to hire you if they think you'll poo poo talk them the moment you leave.

Kilgariff was head writer for Ellen's show during the aforementioned writers strike; where Ellen told all the writers she was with them on day one of the strike and then day two fired everyone.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Skwirl posted:

Do you have details, her wikipedia page doesn't mention it beyond just saying she was the head writer.

I bet a lot of former employees had to sign NDAs, and/or don't want to be seen as vindictive or difficult to work with. Other shows are probably less likely to hire you if they think you'll poo poo talk them the moment you leave.

Just that they were close collaborators for years, including Kilgariff helping write Degeneres’s standup during the show years, and that they haven’t spoken since the firing.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

Also there's the time Iron Maiden was invited to play Ozzfest and, as soon as they took the stage, Sharon cut their audio and started telling the audience to throw cans and bottles at them.

Sharon Osbourne sucks rear end, in other words

Also, eggs and ice. And a lot of other drama. It's been almost fifteen years but that feud was memorable.

Flashback to 2005:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlcZEuzHMhI

The Peccadillo posted:

Looking forward to this tone from the eventual statement

https://twitter.com/Steeeeeeeevens/status/1273077371986477056

:lol: at the last ten seconds of this. He seems a little off.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

There's also a really gross story from 2013, reported in 2018, involving cheerleaders being used as escorts and doing nude photo shoots that probably indicates the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html

For those unfamiliar with the Washington Redskins, they are the worst-managed, most scandal-ridden team in the NFL, which takes some doing. Players typically leave the team as soon as they are able.

Yeah, some of those teams treat the cheerleaders like a harem. But even that isn't enough for many players and they have started going after every. single. female employee nearby.

davidspackage posted:

I wonder if some deal was already made to bring her in, like she'll throw some lesser characters under the bus and leave the bigger figures out of it. Seems like it would've been easier to have her killed (and possibly make it look like suicide) when she was on the run.

I hope she survives to testify etc.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Zogo posted:


Yeah, some of those teams treat the cheerleaders like a harem. But even that isn't enough for many players and they have started going after every. single. female employee nearby.


The problem largely isn't with the players. Don't get me wrong, plenty of players are sex pests and worse, but the story that just broke was about behavior from men in the front office.

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

The Peccadillo posted:

Looking forward to this tone from the eventual statement

https://twitter.com/Steeeeeeeevens/status/1273077371986477056

"Really dude!? Oh really dude!?" Wow, it's easy to see why this guy was so famous.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
D'Elia really seems like a guy who had a two-part plan that was basically "Step 1: Get famous, Step 2: Use clout to coerce underage girls into sex". Sadly there's a ton of guys just like him out there working hard to get famous just to have a harem of fans to gently caress, underage or otherwise. Of age is still slimy but underage is downright monstrous.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

King Vidiot posted:

D'Elia really seems like a guy who had a two-part plan that was basically "Step 1: Get famous, Step 2: Use clout to coerce underage girls into sex". Sadly there's a ton of guys just like him out there working hard to get famous just to have a harem of fans to gently caress, underage or otherwise. Of age is still slimy but underage is downright monstrous.

I don't get why these assholes don't just limit themselves to 19 year olds. People would still think he's a creep but it wouldn't have cost him the Netflix show I bet.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

DC Murderverse posted:

maybe I have a warped sense of who is famous but I think Brad Garrett is the most famous person to call Ellen out

I feel like most famous people want to stay on her good side because she's got power

Lea Thompson is backing Garrett up.


https://twitter.com/leakthompson/status/1289222341239517184?s=21

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Skwirl posted:

I don't get why these assholes don't just limit themselves to 19 year olds. People would still think he's a creep but it wouldn't have cost him the Netflix show I bet.

The reasons are varied and disgusting, but usually involve some enjoyment of the power they have to violate the laws/rules/taboos of society and because younger people are more easily manipulated and influenced.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

more like Yoda Thompson amirite?

Sorry here's content

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0770725/

You might not know the name Jordu Schell unless you follow a lot of special effects makeup/sculpting but he's someone whose fairly prolific and even well respected as an artist doing concept and creature design for feature films.

Someone posted this "meme"


naturally some came to his defense. Other who had worked for him as interns (where it was said he almost always picked young women fresh out of school) had stories to share. Many involving...feet. Apparently it was an open secret

https://www.facebook.com/camille.smooch/posts/3465607046784449

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Skwirl posted:

I don't get why these assholes don't just limit themselves to 19 year olds. People would still think he's a creep but it wouldn't have cost him the Netflix show I bet.

Its a power control thing, I think at some point these people just feel entitled to satisfy their desires and expected their fame to be a shield for them.

The stuff that came out for the SSB community was downright revolting basically almost every top 10 player was outed as harassing and soliciting underage female fans for nudes and a major female player was raping a 14 year old male when she was 24 and carried on telling him to promise to keep it secret until he turned 18.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

King Vidiot posted:

Has there been any bad poo poo come out about Graham Norton? Just fire Ellen and replace her with Graham Norton, they both have the same energy and delivery anyway.


Groovelord Neato posted:

It's funny Norton failed while an absolute zero like James Corden is a success.

I blame you for this Groovelord Neato

https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/1289831611828232192?s=20

Maybe it will open up a spot for someone who isn't a white dude to have a network late night show? (it won't)

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Bring back Craig Ferguson

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Rhyno posted:

Bring back Craig Ferguson

I like Craig Ferguson, but

1) He quit, he wasn't fired. He's not coming back.
and
2) Maybe have literally anyone else than another straight white dude.

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!

Skwirl posted:

I blame you for this Groovelord Neato

https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/1289831611828232192?s=20

Maybe it will open up a spot for someone who isn't a white dude to have a network late night show? (it won't)

Doesn’t Lilly Singh still have her show?

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Skwirl posted:

I like Craig Ferguson, but

1) He quit, he wasn't fired. He's not coming back.
and
2) Maybe have literally anyone else than another straight white dude.

Think Aisha Tyler would be willing to leave who's line is it anyway for a late show?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Boywhiz88 posted:

Doesn’t Lilly Singh still have her show?

Didn't know about her, but honestly I forgot Carson Daly's show existed until googling her and finding out she took over his time slot. I meant shows that air before midnight. Your late shows and your late late shows, not your late late late shows.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Think Aisha Tyler would be willing to leave who's line is it anyway for a late show?

I'd be down for that.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Skwirl posted:

I like Craig Ferguson, but

1) He quit, he wasn't fired. He's not coming back.
and
2) Maybe have literally anyone else than another straight white dude.

Wayne Brady would be an absolute delight.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Craig quit because he was hand-shake promised the Late Show but they went with Colbert.


Aiesha Tyler would be fantastic, she's talented and loving hilarious.

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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Craig Ferguson is happy as poo poo these days, and I see no scenario where he'd have any reason to come back, barring just a ton of money. He ran that show in a truly wonderful, bizarre way, we were blessed to have it for as long as we did, but it's done now, he's moved on, and now he does basically whatever he wants. (Recently a Netflix special.)

I have no idea who I'd want to replace the comedy vacuum that is Corden. The funniest person I can think of on TV right now is Amber Ruffin, but she's wrapped up in the NBC family of shows (and is getting her own Peacock show, god help her). But it's not going to be Ferguson.

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