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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Yeah, last time I added a drive it needed to stop the array. Had no idea until this week. But I did kind of want the stress test to compare SMART reports. I take it it's been quite a while since you added a new drive? That was fixed in like 6.5 i think
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Buff Hardback posted:I take it it's been quite a while since you added a new drive? Yup, at least 5 years.
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I added an additional 12 TB drive to my Unraid as parity recently and it didn't even take a week to copy over ~10 TB of data onto it.
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I'm looking at building out a NAS for a two ESX hosts with 10-15 VMs on each and a Plex server that'll run on one of the VMs. Would a Synology DS1019+ work for what I'm looking at or should I be looking at something else? I'd probably put 2x10TB IronWolf NAS drives in it. I have heard I should wait and run the cache advisor and then maybe get some SSDs for caching. I actually like building my own stuff, so should I just build out my own NAS with a physically smaller machine and a SAS card (like this? I already run FreeNAS in a VM with drives passed to it but that seems more like a janky setup lately. I'm also not happy with the throughput.
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 23:32 |
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Gay Retard posted:I added an additional 12 TB drive to my Unraid as parity recently and it didn't even take a week to copy over ~10 TB of data onto it. I'm pushing a 9TB snapshot to a USB3 12TB External drive, and that only takes about 3.5 days. 35MB/s, give or take. Boner Wad posted:I'm looking at building out a NAS for a two ESX hosts with 10-15 VMs on each and a Plex server that'll run on one of the VMs. Would a Synology DS1019+ work for what I'm looking at or should I be looking at something else? I'd probably put 2x10TB IronWolf NAS drives in it. I have heard I should wait and run the cache advisor and then maybe get some SSDs for caching. That's double the standard price for a 9211. They're dirt cheap these days, about $25-$35 on eBay. Search "M1015" and you'll find a pile for sale. Flash it to IT mode. Pass that to FreeNAS, easy peasy. sharkytm fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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sharkytm posted:I'd build your own. And run FreeNAS natively, rather than in a VM. What do you suggest for "host" systems?
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# ? Aug 1, 2020 23:45 |
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For that VM load? Something with some actual processing power: e3-xxxx V2 or newer, 64gb+ of ECC, and probably some SSDs for the VM's unless they're just running little stuff. List what you're running, and people can weigh in.
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sharkytm posted:For that VM load? Something with some actual processing power: e3-xxxx V2 or newer, 64gb+ of ECC, and probably some SSDs for the VM's unless they're just running little stuff. List what you're running, and people can weigh in. VM wise not much, just usual homelab stuff. Unifi, elasticsearch cluster, kibana, dns/dhcp, log collector, vcenter, docker container, homeassisstant, plex, torrent/nzb grabbing stuff.
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Boner Wad posted:VM wise not much, just usual homelab stuff. Unifi, elasticsearch cluster, kibana, dns/dhcp, log collector, vcenter, docker container, homeassisstant, plex, torrent/nzb grabbing stuff. You should just run most of those in docker (or so I'm told). My Unifi runs in a jail, as does Plex, Transmission, and at one time, CrashPlan.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 05:39 |
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sharkytm posted:You should just run most of those in docker (or so I'm told). My Unifi runs in a jail, as does Plex, Transmission, and at one time, CrashPlan. Where's the fun in that.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 05:56 |
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sharkytm posted:You should just run most of those in docker (or so I'm told). My Unifi runs in a jail, as does Plex, Transmission, and at one time, CrashPlan. This, a thousand times Manually installing and configuring and updating software packages and super get hosed forever Had to install postgres on an esoteric Linux distro recently, install wasn't setting up a systemctl service file, was putting postgres in a weird non obvious location etc etc. Installed docker (podman) and was up and running in 5 minutes. Most of that was navigating to docker hubs postgres page and deciding if I wanted to go newer than pg10, and how new Not going to get into opinions but podman is RedHats compatible implementation of docker Anything worth running in 2020 will run in a container just fine Jails are cool too but I haven't touched non osx bsd in at least a decade
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I moved house last weekend. I forgot to properly power down my Synology DS218+ and when I hooked it up at the new place it wasn't happy. I've followed the steps outlined and it looks like my drive is failing (I never got around to buying new drives when I got it anyway). The extended drive test shows it is failing. What's the recommendations for RAID type and current thread favourite drives to get? Can I backup my config when I move to new drives? I've got Unifi, Survalience Station etc. all running off this.
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Synology phone support is pretty awesome, impressive, even, give them a ring some time. The number just puts you on the phone with a human, I don't think there's even a phone tree you need to navigate
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Red_Fred posted:I moved house last weekend. I forgot to properly power down my Synology DS218+ and when I hooked it up at the new place it wasn't happy. I've followed the steps outlined and it looks like my drive is failing (I never got around to buying new drives when I got it anyway). The extended drive test shows it is failing. What's the recommendations for RAID type and current thread favourite drives to get? Best Buy still has 8TB Easystores on sale for 140, with tax it's 151 and change, that's a pretty good dollar per TB ratio. I just shucked 8 of them and once you get the process down you can strip one out in about 90 seconds, all you need is some old credit cards and one each medium-small flathead & Philips screwdrivers. Oh and actually a small allen wrench as well, Easystore drives have 4 bolts with rubber stoppers on them to hold them in their enclosures. Realtalk you could also get those off with a pair of pliers if necessary, I had to do that to one of mine anyway when it was too tight and I couldn't get it to move without the wrench slipping out. 7 of my drives were standard WD white label, one was some different formfactor that seemed fancier than the others (seemed sturdier, filled with helium etc). Everything passed SMART tests before and after and haven't seen any issues yet though it has just been a week so far. If you do go that route, look on the bottom of the box for ones made in Thailand rather than China. This may be internet rumoring but several people claim Thai drives have a 256mb cache while Chinese ones are 128
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sharkytm posted:You should just run most of those in docker (or so I'm told). My Unifi runs in a jail, as does Plex, Transmission, and at one time, CrashPlan. I agree, right now I run most of what I listed in docker containers on an old dying Mac mini. I am slowly moving services off and either onto another VM that just runs docker containers (considering RancherOS or just regular Debian) or to a dedicated machine. I ran unifi in a container for awhile but had some issues with port sharing and unadopting of devices. I might consider trying again with a macvlan network bridge. Either way, I still think I need a NAS
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Hadlock posted:Synology phone support is pretty awesome, impressive, even, give them a ring some time. The number just puts you on the phone with a human, I don't think there's even a phone tree you need to navigate Takes No Damage posted:Best Buy still has 8TB Easystores on sale for 140, with tax it's 151 and change, that's a pretty good dollar per TB ratio. I just shucked 8 of them and once you get the process down you can strip one out in about 90 seconds, all you need is some old credit cards and one each medium-small flathead & Philips screwdrivers. Oh and actually a small allen wrench as well, Easystore drives have 4 bolts with rubber stoppers on them to hold them in their enclosures. Realtalk you could also get those off with a pair of pliers if necessary, I had to do that to one of mine anyway when it was too tight and I couldn't get it to move without the wrench slipping out. Thanks! Although, I should have added that I'm not US based. Doesn't look like I can get the Easystore locally, any other preferred options?
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Red_Fred posted:Thanks! Although, I should have added that I'm not US based. Doesn't look like I can get the Easystore locally, any other preferred options? Easystores get thrown around a lot here because they're generally the cheapest, but any WD-based external drive should be comparable, Elements and Passport are two more models, though I don't think their sizes go as high. Just work out what dollar per TB ratio you're comfortable with and see what offerings are available in your neck of the woods. ANY external drive can be shucked if you're brave enough. vvv You still shucked the drive, it just didn't do you any good in that case. Suppose it is still fair to specify that shucking in general refers to 3.5 or otherwise SATA drives for the purposes of populating a RAID. Takes No Damage fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Takes No Damage posted:Easystores get thrown around a lot here because they're generally the cheapest, but any WD-based external drive should be comparable, Elements and Passport are two more models, though I don't think their sizes go as high. Just work out what dollar per TB ratio you're comfortable with and see what offerings are available in your neck of the woods. ANY external drive can be shucked if you're brave enough. Not every external can be shucked.
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A while back, we were talking about Raspberry Pi 4 and Zero W as a IP-KVM. I had put a little bit of work in to making one but never got real far in it. Today I found someone who did make one and it works pretty drat well. Check it out here: https://pikvm.org/
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That is cool as hell. Not something I'd recommend over buying a server board with IPMI, but probably a worthwhile solution for someone who is reusing hardware they own instead of trying to resell it and replace it with server equipment.
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Lowen SoDium posted:A while back, we were talking about Raspberry Pi 4 and Zero W as a IP-KVM. I had put a little bit of work in to making one but never got real far in it. I saw this on Hackernews a few days ago too: https://mtlynch.io/tinypilot/
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I bought a few of the cheap HDMI-USB adapters after seeing that and they do work, I'm going to set up my Pi 4 with one hooked up to my server as soon as I get my 3D printer back online to print a case. Will definitely post a trip report.
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IOwnCalculus posted:That is cool as hell. Not something I'd recommend over buying a server board with IPMI, but probably a worthwhile solution for someone who is reusing hardware they own instead of trying to resell it and replace it with server equipment. The Pi is more cost-effective for a home lab scenario IMO than a Lantronix spider KVM device at least.
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I wish it could do 1080p60 for remote video monitoring/switching
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:54 |
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Potentially stupid question: I would like to add some SSDs to my FreeNAS setup, 1 or 2 for a boot pool and 2 for VMs, but I'm out of physical space and onboard SATA ports. I have an internal USB 3.0 header and PCIe 16x slot to work with. I found this doodad. It only takes B-key drives (not a problem), and can't boot (not ideal but I already have one SSD USB enclosure deal I can keep using for that). With that many slots I can have a pool for VMs and such, and still have slots for caching/l2arc or whatever down the line. But I'm unclear if this will a) work with the OS (seems plug n play?) and b) expose each drive or if it's doing some sort of weird hardware raid aggregation thing edit: actually looking at the manfucturer's page like a genious they outright state FreeNAS compatibility and it seems like they do show up as individual sata drives. https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1035 Chilled Milk fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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It "should" work. Some cursory googling found a commit for the chipset ID in FreeNAS back in April, so hopefully that's made its way into the OS by now. It should expose them as individual drives, but only to the OS, not the BIOS. At least that's how that chipset is written up on some of the other format adapters: they've got ones for several types of ports that split out into some number of "Non-RAID SATA ports."
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Putting together a FreeNAS box has been on my to do list for longer than it should have been. My current plan is to slap a 3600 (or possibly a 3700x, but probably not) into an X470D4U, shove 32gb of ECC off ASRack's memory QVL in (probably two sticks of https://www.newegg.com/p/0ZK-01M8-00384), and hope the TrueNAS 12 Beta "improved AMD Ryzen support" means it's not a terrible idea. This thread over on IXSystems makes it seem like it's maybe not the best idea, but probably not a terrible idea. I didn't see anything about the M2 ports on the X470D4U being mutually exclusive with any of the SATA ports, so I'll probably stick a little $20 128GB SATA SSD in, and save the SATADOM port for another shucked drive. Maybe waste another $20 and mirror the root drive. It will mostly just be a home NAS. In the future it may be asked to transcode things or it may store a few weeks of rolling security camera footage, There's a part of me that thinks I should put more RAM in even though it will probably never have more than a few concurrent users. Anything obviously wrong/dumb with all this?
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The Milkman posted:Potentially stupid question: I would like to add some SSDs to my FreeNAS setup, 1 or 2 for a boot pool and 2 for VMs, but I'm out of physical space and onboard SATA ports. I have an internal USB 3.0 header and PCIe 16x slot to work with. I found this doodad. It only takes B-key drives (not a problem), and can't boot (not ideal but I already have one SSD USB enclosure deal I can keep using for that). With that many slots I can have a pool for VMs and such, and still have slots for caching/l2arc or whatever down the line. But I'm unclear if this will a) work with the OS (seems plug n play?) and b) expose each drive or if it's doing some sort of weird hardware raid aggregation thing In FreeBSD, it's supported as of April 1st, but it looks like it'll only be in the new version, according to the tags on the downstream repository. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Unoriginality posted:Putting together a FreeNAS box has been on my to do list for longer than it should have been. My current plan is to slap a 3600 (or possibly a 3700x, but probably not) into an X470D4U, shove 32gb of ECC off ASRack's memory QVL in (probably two sticks of https://www.newegg.com/p/0ZK-01M8-00384), and hope the TrueNAS 12 Beta "improved AMD Ryzen support" means it's not a terrible idea. This thread over on IXSystems makes it seem like it's maybe not the best idea, but probably not a terrible idea. I didn't see anything about the M2 ports on the X470D4U being mutually exclusive with any of the SATA ports, so I'll probably stick a little $20 128GB SATA SSD in, and save the SATADOM port for another shucked drive. Maybe waste another $20 and mirror the root drive. It's your money, but for that workload you could get away with a lot less CPU and I don't think Ryzen is the right move right now when it comes to a NAS. I just built a new desktop and that sure as poo poo got a Ryzen (3700X), but I'd stick with Intel for a NAS. More RAM is always better for ZFS, so no disagreement there.
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sharkytm posted:It's your money, but for that workload you could get away with a lot less CPU and I don't think Ryzen is the right move right now when it comes to a NAS. I just built a new desktop and that sure as poo poo got a Ryzen (3700X), but I'd stick with Intel for a NAS. More RAM is always better for ZFS, so no disagreement there. Ryzen is perfect for this, more cores and IO for less than a comparable Intel. What issues did yours have? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Also the X470D4U shows that you need a Ryzen PRO to get ECC support which from what I can tell are completely unavailable to non-OEMs.
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Less Fat Luke posted:Also the X470D4U shows that you need a Ryzen PRO to get ECC support which from what I can tell are completely unavailable to non-OEMs. No, the ECC support is available on all Zen Ryzens, what isn't there is the Motherboard. If the Motherboard says it supports ECC, then any Ryzen will use the ECC if enabled with ECC RAM. They've had ECC by default since Zen1, but the motherboard support hasn't been there. You have to have a certified ECC board with ECC enable capable in the BIOS, and there's a couple of the X570s that support ECC. The one upside is that even if your motherboard is not ECC capable, your Ryzen will happily use ECC RAM just sans the ECC. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_confirms_that_ryzen_supports_ecc_memory/1 CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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Less Fat Luke posted:Also the X470D4U shows that you need a Ryzen PRO to get ECC support which from what I can tell are completely unavailable to non-OEMs. that’s only for APUs
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Interesting that's good to know, I was misreading this line from ASrock:quote:*For Picasso Ridge and Raven Ridge CPUs, ECC is only supported with PRO CPUs.
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ECC is not a boolean. It can either work in one of the following modes, depending on vendor and sometimes even depending on the model of motherboard:
With at least a few of those options, it'll be when it's too late to fix the system, and you've got data corruption. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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If you can get stuff to show up in the logs, you might be able to decide it is really working. Maybe a person could overclock the RAM to the point where errors happen in a reasonable amount of time? https://serverfault.com/questions/643542/how-do-i-get-notified-of-ecc-errors-in-linux
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taqueso posted:If you can get stuff to show up in the logs, you might be able to decide it is really working. Maybe a person could overclock the RAM to the point where errors happen in a reasonable amount of time?
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CommieGIR posted:Ryzen is perfect for this, more cores and IO for less than a comparable Intel. What issues did yours have? If they want to go Ryzen, then a Ryzen 5 2600 or 3600 would be plenty sufficient for the workload. I had no direct experience, just saw lots of complaints on the FreeNAS forums, but it looks like most of that was Zen1 issues. If they're doing CPU Plex transcoding, I think Intel is still better for that. I'd rather buy a $200 barebones Intel E3-V3+ server and build from there rather than piecing together something from new and $$ parts. That Asrock Rack motherboard is $230-$270, DDR4 ECC UDIMMs aren't cheap at $100/16GB, and a 3700x is $280. That'd buy a pretty decent tower server, and that's before the cost of a case, power supply, etc. I don't see the need to blow a bunch of money on cores and IO that won't be used or needed. I dunno... I love my Ryzen desktop. I know the ECC issues have been worked out on the server boards that support it, but there could be other issues out there, and there isn't much community support for it yet.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Machine check exceptions should be in the system log, sure - but until you actually see one and decode it with mcelog, you can't know. Right, that's why I was thinking OCing the RAM might be able to bring them out
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Just checked my Ryzen 3900Xcode:
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