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Trailer next month, with the Inception re-release!  https://trailer-track.com/2020/07/29/report-dune-wonder-woman-1984-trailers-inception-10th-anniversary/
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Eason the Fifth posted:Herbert's quote about that -- "No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero" -- was always the theme of the series to me. He spent Dune building up Paul, the Atreides, and the Fremen, and then spent the next three books breaking them down and showing just how terrible heroes and their followers can be even when their intentions are good. I get that the first novel is a perfect hero's journey and I get why people loved it, but I also get why a lot of the same audience bounced hard off the rest of Frank Herbert's part of the series. All the unpalatable reasons are what make it unique and good but they're also why it's so unlikely that we'll see anything past the first book. This post sums it up, I think. People like a "happy" "ending" and Dune has neither - especially if you read all six books. If they decide to continue the story, it'll probably get handed off to second-rate people who don't know the material except that "kids sure seem to like this Dune thing, even though it's just a knock-off Star Wars". So we'll get some real crap amid a few good things, probably. But not in theaters. david_a posted:I'm re-reading The Dosadi Experiment and so far it's living up to my memories of it being extremely dense (but short!). It feels like a tangent on the evolution of the Sardukar (none of Frank's books get into much detail about Salusa Secundus, do they?). This time around I've also read The Whipping Star which helps with some of the references to alien species & tech, but that book had a pretty goofy antagonist. This seems to be one of his better regarded non-Dune books; are there others that people would recommend? Hellstrom's Hive, The Godmakers, and if you can find it The Tactful Saboteur is pretty short but it's the first story about Jorj McKie. There's also The White Plague, which is a pretty good book about the Troubles in Ireland (still very fictional, though).
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phasmid posted:People like a "happy" "ending" and Dune has neither - especially if you read all six books. If you read all six books, it doesn't really have an ending at all. quote:If they decide to continue the story, it'll probably get handed off to second-rate people who don't know the material except that "kids sure seem to like this Dune thing, even though it's just a knock-off Star Wars". So you're saying they'll just use the poo poo from Brian Herbert and KJA's books. 
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PeterWeller posted:So you're saying they'll just use the poo poo from Brian Herbert and KJA's books. Sadly, yeah. That too. They're already doing one about the BG which is going to bring the lack of understanding material into clear focus. PeterWeller posted:If you read all six books, it doesn't really have an ending at all. All things considered, maybe that was the best way to go.
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Aug 1, 2020 19:52
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Book four is the best place to stop reading.
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Book 4 is pretty much "The point". 3 is sort of an end and 4 is more of a coda. The entire goal of the politics and genetic engineering and the like was to create this super-human that could see a path for the continuation of humanity in the face of inevitable decline and extinction. That happens at the end of 3, and 4 is how he does it. Book 1 is Paul stepping up to the stage, and Book 2 is him rejecting the cost required to be that figure. 3 is his son inheriting the position, and 4 is completing the plan to save humanity. Everything after that is just sort of....more.
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Mulva posted:Book 4 is pretty much "The point". 3 is sort of an end and 4 is more of a coda. The entire goal of the politics and genetic engineering and the like was to create this super-human that could see a path for the continuation of humanity in the face of inevitable decline and extinction. That happens at the end of 3, and 4 is how he does it. Book 1 is Paul stepping up to the stage, and Book 2 is him rejecting the cost required to be that figure. 3 is his son inheriting the position, and 4 is completing the plan to save humanity. I beg to disagree that the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu were engineering a Kwisatz Haderach to altruistically save the universe. It was a Cold War arms race, except in this case the nuclear weapon became sentient and went rogue.
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Jewmanji posted:I beg to disagree that the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu were engineering a Kwisatz Haderach to altruistically save the universe. It was a Cold War arms race, except in this case the nuclear weapon became sentient and went rogue. You're kidding about the altruism part, right?
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it's a little of both. you can't manipulate and control an extinct species
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phasmid posted:You're kidding about the altruism part, right? I think you misread my post. I’m saying that the BG and BT specifically don’t have altruistic motives and are obviously horrifically insular cults whose prime directive is to preserve their power at all costs.
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Aug 2, 2020 05:49
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Jewmanji posted:It was a Cold War arms race, except in this case the nuclear weapon became sentient and went rogue. Dune: The Forbin Project
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Jewmanji posted:I think you misread my post. I’m saying that the BG and BT specifically don’t have altruistic motives and are obviously horrifically insular cults whose prime directive is to preserve their power at all costs. My bad.
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Jewmanji posted:I beg to disagree that the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu were engineering a Kwisatz Haderach to altruistically save the universe. It was a Cold War arms race, except in this case the nuclear weapon became sentient and went rogue. Oh I never mentioned altruism. The Bene Gesserit simply wanted a truly prescient being, one under their control, to take the Golden Lion Throne. It doesn't change that the end goal *was* a truly prescient being that could guide humanity. The problem with that, of course, is that at the end of the process is a truly prescient being that you've designed to guide humanity. And how the hell could you ever expect to control someone like that? And of course the hilariously obvious answer is you don't. You don't for a second do even a single thing they can't see coming, and every aspect of your existence is controlled by them. And there's nothing you can do about it. And so Leto gets everything he needs, if not everything he wants, and everyone does exactly what they are supposed to, and humanity is saved from a death by apathy. And that's literally every single driving issue in Dune up to that point wrapped up. And the two books after that are, I don't know, "What if Space Nuns had gently caress powers and I got to write more about Duncan Idaho?", and the books after his death are "What if we made money?".
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Aug 2, 2020 11:59
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It really is a shame Momoa will only get to play Idaho prime.
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Aug 2, 2020 12:19
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I'd be fine if Duncan becomes a ghost that only Paul can see, and advises him on how to pick up girls. And... and maybe he could be shirtless the whole time, for no apparent reason.
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davidspackage posted:I'd be fine if Duncan becomes a ghost that only Paul can see, and advises him on how to pick up girls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWirGxV7Q8 "Spoon!" "Spicehead" From "Muad'Dib: Conversations" by the Princess Irulan
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phasmid posted:All things considered, maybe that was the best way to go. Yeah, the end result of the Golden Path is the Scattering, humanity spreading out in infinite directions and infinite ways across the universe. The events of books 5 and 6 play out against the backdrop and are ultimately irrelevant to the gajillions of people not involved in the war between the BG and HM. Bringing that conflict to a conclusion that (again) defines the fate of humanity is antithetical to the ending of God Emperor.
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This just popped up on my youtube feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIdV7AWd3ns
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Despite my best judgement, I decided to pick up Heretics for the first time (I read 1-4 for the first time several years ago and decided that was enough for me). The time jump between Children and God Emperor was really fascinating, all the more so because Herbert decided to lean deeply into the idea of cultural/technological stagnation. It makes sense that the world hasn't evolved much because Leto has deliberately maintained an iron grip on every facet of the Imperium. But in Heretics, you'd think that after a similar time jump that some of these entities like the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu would've evolved into entirely new concepts, or otherwise been left behind by history. It'd be like if the Catholic Church maintained its same position of power, influence, tradition etc. for literally like 15,000 years or something. Like, the lack of development from Dune through God Emperor is perfectly explicable, but by all rights the world of Heretics should be unrecognizable. Like, the Tleilaxu are still making gholas of Duncan Idaho? Is it explained why Idaho is particularly useful as a ghola as the book goes on? His function as Hayt in Messiah makes perfect sense, and then Leto II keeping Idahos around for nostalgia makes sense, but what value does Idaho have to anyone who isn't Paul or Leto II? I guess I probably just need to keep reading but yeesh...
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The answer is Duncan Idaho is his special OC DO NOT STEAL character. There is literally no reason he should be relevant after book two, and even that is pushing it, but he's right up there being super special to the very end. Why? gently caress if I know, he was basically irrelevant in life.
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I always had an outsized impression of him, even before I read the sequels. I remember being surprised when I reread the book (and especially watched the Lynch movie) how early he gets killed. I’m willing to attribute it entirely to Duncan Idaho being a pretty badass name.
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Jewmanji posted:But in Heretics, you'd think that after a similar time jump that some of these entities like the Bene Gesserit or the Tleilaxu would've evolved into entirely new concepts, or otherwise been left behind by history. It'd be like if the Catholic Church maintained its same position of power, influence, tradition etc. for literally like 15,000 years or something. Like, the lack of development from Dune through God Emperor is perfectly explicable, but by all rights the world of Heretics should be unrecognizable. It is - in the Scattering. The old Empire is pretty explicitly a small, stagnated backwater that no-one particularly gives a poo poo about. Pascallion posted:I always had an outsized impression of him, even before I read the sequels. I remember being surprised when I reread the book (and especially watched the Lynch movie) how early he gets killed. Frank retconning when he died will have been part of that
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Mulva posted:The answer is Duncan Idaho is his special OC DO NOT STEAL character. There is literally no reason he should be relevant after book two, and even that is pushing it, but he's right up there being super special to the very end. Why? gently caress if I know, he was basically irrelevant in life. It's all in the hair. 
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Aug 3, 2020 13:33
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davidspackage posted:It's all in the hair. A minor Centauri noble?
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Aug 3, 2020 13:46
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Kim Jong Dunc.
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Ask yourself -- did Duncan Idaho get played by Jean Luc Picard? No? Well there you go
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Aug 3, 2020 20:14
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Waiting for the movie about his early military career, when he was just Private Idaho.
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Well, if the Tleilaxu sell Duncan gholas to any Great House that wants one...
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on kaitan they say there's a cliff face where a billion duncan idahos climb daily
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I imagine Duncan Idaho will not wear a shirt for some scenes.
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It’s not like people always have shirts on in real life. Having him fully clothed would just be unrealistic...
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davidspackage posted:It's all in the hair. Which is very underwhelming compared to some of the wild cuts the Fremen in that game have (because they only have 3/4 sprites for random Fremen so they use hair to make them "unique").  Even 
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Mierenneuker posted:Which is very underwhelming compared to some of the wild cuts the Fremen in that game have (because they only have 3/4 sprites for random Fremen so they use hair to make them "unique"). We saw you coming from the other sietch.
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davidspackage posted:We saw you coming from the other sietch. 
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Is that Dune 1?
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Vintersorg posted:Is that Dune 1? Yes, the strategy game in an adventure shell by Cryo Interactive. Forever trapped in licensing hell when it comes to a re-release, especially because the disc version featured footage from David Lynch's movie. Not that would stop someone on the internet.
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Ich bin Deutschland und du auch
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https://twitter.com/RealChalamet/status/1291861260347351044
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So.... what's up with the supervising art director stating that there's no worm in part 1? That was kind of a shock.
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That would be a surprise, Villeneuve said it took them a year to design the worm. I don't think part 2 has even been greenlit yet.
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