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Yeah, I was very surprised at the end of Season 2 when they didn't end up with the crew jumping forward a thousand years but Discovery itself being set to just hide until they arrived. It seemed like what they'd been leading towards.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 08:38 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 13:58 |
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They never said definitively when “Calypso” was set, only that it had been 1,000 years since Discovery had been abandoned. It could take place 1,000 years after this upcoming season.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 09:11 |
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how did no one in the next 800 years think to power ships via mushrooms and torturing tardigrades again
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 09:24 |
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Ramadu posted:how did no one in the next 800 years think to power ships via mushrooms and torturing tardigrades again Because the 3 guys who killed a high ranking CI agent from S31 said its bad,
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 09:27 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:They never said definitively when “Calypso” was set, only that it had been 1,000 years since Discovery had been abandoned. It could take place 1,000 years after this upcoming season. Maybe they end up abandoning Discovery to serve as a template for the next time the Federation falls or loses its way. Which seems to run on 1000 year cycles.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 10:54 |
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mllaneza posted:That is sadly plausible. The new showrunner is very unlikely to consider themselves bound by that piece. Modern Star Trek Megathread: The new showrunner is very unlikely to consider themselves bound by that piece.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 12:42 |
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Astroman posted:Modern Star Trek Megathread: The new showrunner is very unlikely to consider themselves bound by that piece.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 14:21 |
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If they wanted Patrick Stewart to star as powerless old man in society that had lost hope they could have just booked him on a news show.
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 17:54 |
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Arglebargle III posted:If they wanted Patrick Stewart to star as powerless old man in society that had lost hope they could have just booked him on a news show. Literally Blunt Talk
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 17:57 |
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I'm really glad Patrick Stewart seems to be a good dude IRL
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 19:46 |
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MikeJF posted:- Daniels was from ~3064 and seemed to work for a multinational agency enforcing the Temporal Accords. The Federation and Earth are apparently doing fine at this point. Consistently read this as "anti-accordian"
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# ? Aug 2, 2020 23:30 |
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https://twitter.com/waytoomuchbeer/status/1289605428754575360
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 11:21 |
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I don't really believe a word of that. Ok, maybe the licensees part, but I seriously doubt anything's canceled.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 11:33 |
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Wasn't the 25% thing confirmed as bullshit?
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 11:50 |
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I've been seeing that "but the licensees want the old canon back!" poo poo about Star Trek and Star Wars for a year or two at least; now I can believe that they aren't selling as much merch related to the newer shows/movies for a variety of reasons but the stuff in that post smells too much like a laundry list of things an angry nerd might wish were happening.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:28 |
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MikeJF posted:Wasn't the 25% thing confirmed as bullshit? Yes. That entire post is wish mongering. One of the giveaways is that they use STD; internally at ViacomCBS they use DIS or DSC. Timby fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Aug 3, 2020 |
# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:30 |
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I would be surprised if Disco gets a 4th season though.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 12:45 |
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Reads as very fanciful, Strange New Worlds is literally the best sign they have had of bringing together the old Canon and the new style of Trek.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:13 |
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4chan, 25% different, STD. All I need is something about SJWs and I got a bingo.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:24 |
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There was rumblings a couple of days ago that The Orville had been cancelled too, and the producers had to go ‘no, that’s rubbish’.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:41 |
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‘This Will Be The End Of Discovery,’ Says Increasingly Angry 4chan Poster For Seventh Time This Year
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:43 |
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I don't know why people have such a hardon for Trek being cancelled. I don't want it to be cancelled, I want it to be good. I want to finish Picard Season 2 and go "oh yeah, season 1 was rough but they really stepped it up for season 2", or ""Disco was a mess, but that latest season really pulled it together".
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:47 |
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Seemlar posted:‘This Will Be The End Of Discovery,’ Says Increasingly Angry 4chan Poster For Seventh Time This Year My "trustworthy information" post on 4chan has people asking questions already answered by my green text
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:47 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I don't know why people have such a hardon for Trek being cancelled. I don't want it to be cancelled, I want it to be good. I want to finish Picard Season 2 and go "oh yeah, season 1 was rough but they really stepped it up for season 2", or ""Disco was a mess, but that latest season really pulled it together". Without a change of showrunner it's very hard to see Star Trek becoming good again. Braga and Berman demonstrated pretty exhaustively that bad creative leads will not start producing a good show if given enough time, they just keep producing poo poo.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:54 |
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The Bloop posted:My "trustworthy information" post on 4chan has people asking questions already answered by my green text For more information, please reread this post.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 13:56 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I don't know why people have such a hardon for Trek being cancelled. I don't want it to be cancelled, I want it to be good. I want to finish Picard Season 2 and go "oh yeah, season 1 was rough but they really stepped it up for season 2", or ""Disco was a mess, but that latest season really pulled it together". The “literally cancel all Star Trek” sentiment and wishposts like this have been going on since the days of TNG. I don’t get it either.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 14:32 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I don't know why people have such a hardon for Trek being cancelled. I don't want it to be cancelled, I want it to be good. I want to finish Picard Season 2 and go "oh yeah, season 1 was rough but they really stepped it up for season 2", or ""Disco was a mess, but that latest season really pulled it together". I was hopeful at the start of season 2 of Discovery when the war was over and it looked liked they were gonna use the spore drive to start exploring the Beta quadrant.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 16:17 |
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multijoe posted:Without a change of showrunner it's very hard to see Star Trek becoming good again. Braga and Berman demonstrated pretty exhaustively that bad creative leads will not start producing a good show if given enough time, they just keep producing poo poo. The people currently producing/writing modern Star Trek shows seem to think they can straight up plagiarize Mass Effect of all things like nobody would notice or care, and maybe their business model is such that they know they can get away with it but whether or not that is true, those motherfuckers have no creative integrity and need to lose their jobs. I dislike these shows for many reasons, but that's the one that makes me think this poo poo just needs to end. Like, as long as people who think doing that is ok get to keep calling the shots it's never going to meaningfully improve. And I think they know that since they can still sell 1200 dollar replicas of new versions of the Enterprise that are on screen for a grand total of 5 minutes in shows pretty much nobody really likes to the handful of whales that are still willing to drop that kind of cash on Star Trek crap.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:11 |
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Creativity doesn’t make big money numbers go up though.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 17:16 |
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HD DAD posted:The “literally cancel all Star Trek” sentiment and wishposts like this have been going on since the days of TNG. I don’t get it either. Everybody always gets disappointed because new Star Trek shows aren't like the Star Trek shows they watched...not "real Star Trek". So when TNG came out, people complained it wasn't like TOS. When DS9 came out, it wasn't like TNG, when Voyager came out, it wasn't like DS9, and so on. Everybody's image of what Star Trek "should be" is based on their first real exposure to it. And I think some of that is just the nostalgia trap.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:18 |
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To a point, but I think you can make the case that "Star Trek is about an optimistic, interstellar future where humanity has overcome many of its self-destructive impulses and works to cultivate all of its best attributes" and that by that standard it's strayed. I guess mostly I would say we have no shortage of media that shows humanity at its most base and on the verge of destroying itself, and Star Trek does not need to be that; and I would argue that in light of us arguably making the case for the former being more plausible or "realistic," we need it to get closer to the "Roddenberry spirit*" more than we need it to ape The Road and Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead. *the utopian one, not the horney one.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 18:33 |
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I think presenting it as a choice between '''optimism''' and grimdark is a reductive false binary. Picard was bad because it presented a much of needlessly unpleasant and nihilistic violence for shlock value and failed to deliver anything interesting or thematically coherent in way of an actual plot, not because it had dark themes. Whereas DS9 dealt in some very heavy subjects at times but used its time to thoughtfully interogate some of the more naively utopian premises of Roddenberry's Star Trek without dismissing their intentions out of hand, like acknowledging an organisation like Starfleet would invariably have something ressembling the CIA for 'special circumstances' but having its characters fight back against it in trying to live up the ideals they're meant to represent. Like honestly a saccharine 'optimistic' show about very good and clever people having bloodless adventures in space would be just as bad for me as Disco or Picard, I don't care if the show's particularly breezy or grim as long as as it has a good premise and uses it to tell interesting stories.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:01 |
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multijoe posted:I think presenting it as a choice between '''optimism''' and grimdark is a reductive false binary. Picard was bad because it presented a much of needlessly unpleasant and nihilistic violence for shlock value and failed to deliver anything interesting or thematically coherent in way of an actual plot, not because it had dark themes. Whereas DS9 dealt in some very heavy subjects at times but used its time to thoughtfully interogate some of the more naively utopian premises of Roddenberry's Star Trek without dismissing their intentions out of hand, like acknowledging an organisation like Starfleet would invariably have something ressembling the CIA for 'special circumstances' but having its characters fight back against it in trying to live up the ideals they're meant to represent. Well, you can have dark themes, but you don't wallow in them, and ultimately you have to show that the compassionate, humanist approach is the best one. If the take-away is "sometimes you have to plant a genocidal bomb to install a puppet leader," (Disco S1), maybe it's bad. If the themes are dark (torture, military brinksmanship) but the take away is "the human spirit is resilient, but even the strongest must acknowledge their trauma" and "it can be difficult to adapt to change in leadership, but mutual respect is the best way to approach it" (Chain of Command Part 1, 2), it can be... good.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:07 |
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multijoe posted:I think presenting it as a choice between '''optimism''' and grimdark is a reductive false binary. Picard was bad because it presented a much of needlessly unpleasant and nihilistic violence for shlock value and failed to deliver anything interesting or thematically coherent in way of an actual plot, not because it had dark themes. Whereas DS9 dealt in some very heavy subjects at times but used its time to thoughtfully interogate some of the more naively utopian premises of Roddenberry's Star Trek without dismissing their intentions out of hand, like acknowledging an organisation like Starfleet would invariably have something ressembling the CIA for 'special circumstances' but having its characters fight back against it in trying to live up the ideals they're meant to represent. Yep. Compare contrast Nog losing a leg with that scene.
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 19:25 |
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That post is super bullshit, new movie merch wasn't selling because there was hardly any of it to buy in the first place!
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 23:23 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That post is super bullshit, new movie merch wasn't selling because there was hardly any of it to buy in the first place! They made a bunch of toys and action figures for the first one and I think they shelfwarmed and then there was gently caress all for the following two, it was weird
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# ? Aug 3, 2020 23:28 |
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There was a lot of tie-in stuff that got cancelled I know that there were four Trek novels written that were supposed to be released not that long after ST2009 came out and they were shelved until I think this year when they just suddenly got the green light to release them. Probably because what happens in them doesn't matter since the JJTrek universe is dead
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# ? Aug 4, 2020 00:17 |
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Tighclops posted:They made a bunch of toys and action figures for the first one and I think they shelfwarmed and then there was gently caress all for the following two, it was weird Probably shouldn’t have given that toy license to Playmates again! They also did a 6” figure line and for some reason gave them all flexible rubber shirt pieces that looked like garbage. I have no idea why they didn’t just let Art Asylum/Diamond Select do it when they’d already been doing good Trek toys for years by that point.
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# ? Aug 4, 2020 00:37 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Probably shouldn’t have given that toy license to Playmates again! probably because they wanted they toys to actually make it to shelves while the movie was still hot, not delayed for 5 years after releasing some images of unpainted resin prototypes
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# ? Aug 4, 2020 00:47 |
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Tighclops posted:probably because they wanted they toys to actually make it to shelves while the movie was still hot, not delayed for 5 years after releasing some images of unpainted resin prototypes Yeah but those would have been some pretty prototypes You just gotta be patient man.
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# ? Aug 4, 2020 00:53 |