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Wasn't the explanation just "this island is magic" though? I thought people were just really dissatisfied with that (even though it's kind of obvious by the end of season 1 that was going to be the only explanation, and why I stopped watching).
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PittTheElder posted:Wasn't the explanation just "this island is magic" though? That whole business of entering the numbers in Season 2 because you were told to do so but not knowing if it was real was a microcosm of the the entire show and the Island's mythology. No character in the show learns entirely what the island is, but the viewers of the show did, but since there wasn't a scene where a character finds out (coupled with people being really bad at watching things), people think the question was never answered. People also think it was loving purgatory because ABC put footage of the crashed plane over the end credits of the finale and doomed me to a lifetime of correcting people's misinformation in threads about other shows that have a mystery box element to them.
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It’s time, btw https://twitter.com/getFANDOM/status/1131341443224690689
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It rules that the ending he gave D&D bombed so hard he had to scrap the zero pages he wrote so far.
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Jul 30, 2020 03:07
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:If you want to make it sound dumb, sure. The Island houses the source of life, death, and rebirth in the universe. The fact that nobody had all of the information was the entire point because the show was explicitly, from the very beginning, about the relationship between science and faith. Lost is an interesting show in the history of television and engagement with the audience. I think there was an assumption that the viewers would pick up on things because they were discussing it online so fervently. A lot of them were really honed in on a few aspects though, and dismissed elements of the story as pointless or filler. So many people thinking it was purgatory after the final episode is still baffling though. They stare at the camera and explain it.
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Jul 30, 2020 03:29
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I don't even care anymore.
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Jul 30, 2020 12:55
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Haha we got im now!! Dead to rights!!!! 
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Jul 30, 2020 13:24
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If he can't finish it during a several month lockdown he aint finishing it.
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Bip Roberts posted:It rules that the ending he gave D&D bombed so hard he had to scrap the zero pages he wrote so far. I think the ending he gave them works fine if you actually put all the pieces in place, which they didn't bother to do in the show. Like the suggestion before that fAegon would take kings landing and everyone would love him - then Dany went mad and burned it to the ground - makes so much more sense than what we got in the show.
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Immediately after the finale, I mused that were you to describe the events to me, just as dry facts, I would think they were absolutely awesome and a totally fitting ending. It's a funny joke being absolutely butchered by an unfunny person repeating it, half-remembered, years later, and missing all of its connective tissue.
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I think the point of no return was the battle of winterfell, because they could have made an extremely cool version of it where everyone doesn't act like a complete moron and their sound decisions and coherent strategies still fail to stop the army of the dead but they chose not to for the sake of like ... three cool visuals
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Was that the climactic battle they shot entirely in the dark, in which I could barely see anything in because I didn't have a newer flatscreen with perfectly balanced and neutral blacks? Because gently caress that episode.
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I think the final season would have been a lot better with a bit more time to breathe. Spread it over two seasons, give some more characterization (especially for Daenerys, to give her a better reason to do what she does), and I think people would have been a lot more satisfied. I really liked the episode where Brienne gets knighted, but all of the rest were in too much of a hurry. Was there a particular reason to wrap things up that season? The show was still an audience and critical favorite, and I assume it was still making a lot of money. If anything, I thought the people in charge would want more seasons, not less.
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kaworu posted:Was that the climactic battle they shot entirely in the dark, in which I could barely see anything in because I didn't have a newer flatscreen with perfectly balanced and neutral blacks? Because gently caress that episode. The showrunners then lectured people to buy more expensive TVs if they couldn't figure out what was going on.
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DorianGravy posted:I think the final season would have been a lot better with a bit more time to breathe. Spread it over two seasons, give some more characterization (especially for Daenerys, to give her a better reason to do what she does), and I think people would have been a lot more satisfied. I really liked the episode where Brienne gets knighted, but all of the rest were in too much of a hurry. They were burned out (I don't think this has been stated, but it's gotta be an incredibly time consuming and stressful job to manage all the logistics of the most expensive tv show on earth and they'd been doing it for eight+ years), had a huge Netflix deal and a star wars trilogy to work on. So they insisted that it be wrapped up despite HBO desperately trying to keep them making the show...which probably cost them the star wars deal.
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I poo poo you not that I can't help but wonder at all the bullshit "foreshadowing" we got in S7, the things subtly retconned (Jon went from bending the knee because he believed in Dany to "well I did it cause we need her help"), and how shocked and disgusted all the actors were, and how they "implied" Daenerys's resurrection but didn't show it, if the endgame was that D&D had an ending planned out but HBO said "no it's not CoNtRoVeRsIaL enough make it CoNtRoVeRsIaL" and they all just said "gently caress it, here you go." Like seriously they paid Lena Heady a godly sum to just sit around and drink wine and die. They paid Matthew Bellamy a presumably large sum to make a song all about "bring her back" with the goddamn resurrection prayer, and then... nobody's brought back. They had to have known that this ending was garbage, given that by all accounts the actors knew it even. I really want someone to go behind the scenes to figure out exactly who, what, when, where, and why the final season(s) became such a colossal clusterfuck and figure out who is to blame.
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Season 8 is great as long as you only watch the first 2 episodes.
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whowhatwhere posted:They were burned out (I don't think this has been stated, but it's gotta be an incredibly time consuming and stressful job to manage all the logistics of the most expensive tv show on earth and they'd been doing it for eight+ years), had a huge Netflix deal and a star wars trilogy to work on. So they insisted that it be wrapped up despite HBO desperately trying to keep them making the show...which probably cost them the star wars deal. I think they got the Netflix deal after Disney started getting cold feet and gave them the Colin Trevorrow treatment. IIRC, they were in a big hurry to finish GoT so they could start working on both Star Wars and their next (at the time) project for HBO, which was their "what if the South won the Civil War" slavery fanfic show. So I think how it went down was HBO got skittish about airing such a show in the age of Trump and decided not to go ahead with it, GoT's final season made everyone retroactively hate the show, and Disney decided that they didn't need the next SW trilogy being described as "from the guys who killed Game of Thrones". Netflix snapped them up because they'll desperate for new content and will air any loving thing, even if it's from the guys who killed Game of Thrones.
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Aug 2, 2020 16:53
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They shoulda done ten or so full seasons and not cut out poo poo that seems vital to the books' ending which they still used.
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I mean it's not like GRRM knows how to get to the ending either
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Groovelord Neato posted:They shoulda done ten or so full seasons and not cut out poo poo that seems vital to the books' ending which they still used. I think that is a big deal of why the final season didn't make much sense. For example, in the books Varys is never on tema Dany but tries to install his fake Aegon on the throne so all his actions are consistent and make sense. But in the show he tries to kill Dany, then he tries to help her before finally trying to kill her again.
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DorianGravy posted:I think the final season would have been a lot better with a bit more time to breathe. Spread it over two seasons, give some more characterization (especially for Daenerys, to give her a better reason to do what she does), and I think people would have been a lot more satisfied. I really liked the episode where Brienne gets knighted, but all of the rest were in too much of a hurry. "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" is a legitimately good episode and probably the last time GoT was a quality show
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a knight of the seven kingdoms tricked me into thinking the rest of the season might actually be actually good drat was i wrong i also am not sure how it would hold up after seeing the third episode, because it really felt like everyone was about to die in that episode, and then like, no one did?
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Alhazred posted:I think that is a big deal of why the final season didn't make much sense. For example, in the books Varys is never on tema Dany but tries to install his fake Aegon on the throne so all his actions are consistent and make sense. But in the show he tries to kill Dany, then he tries to help her before finally trying to kill her again. Cutting out new poo poo because you wanna wrap things up is fine (though excising the Manderly plot will always be stupid considering nothing happened in season 5 and they left in "the North remembers") but you gotta change your ending and the lead up to it so it makes sense. Cutting out the phony Aegeon makes Daenerys going nutty make no sense and like you said makes Varys's plot make no sense.
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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is not a good episode. The entire thing is just the wages of having a million unresolved plot lines i.e. the requisite conversations between characters that have not had a chance to talk to each other. That wouldn't be a bad thing if the conversations were written well and the characters behaved believably, but woof, it's bad. Some of it is perfunctory, like Jamie's not-quite-pardoning or Dany getting angry at Tyrion and then Jorah talking her out of it. Some of it drags on, like the four distinct fireplace scenes (that was especially bad, talk about a failure of editing). None of it leaves the impression that the writers are doing anything except trying to clumsily get pieces into place, because there are no consequences to anything, as is tradition for the show. That continues in the next episode, as all of the characters the episode sets up to die survive the battle. In the service of of an overarching narrative you're supposed to distribute minor resolutions such that they either build up to climax or get resolved BY the climax! This is basic storytelling, and that episode is a good example of how trying to resolve a bunch of stuff before the climax doesn't work. Van Dis fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Pattonesque posted:"A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" is a legitimately good episode and probably the last time GoT was a quality show What? No it wasn't. Is this the denial or the bargaining stage? Are you trying to get yourself to a point where the entire last 3 seasons weren't a complete waste of your time.
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Well I liked it anyway. Brienne was my favorite character and, regardless of how the rest of the show wrapped up, I thought they did a good job with her story. Getting knighted was a satisfying culmination of what she had worked for, and it put a big smile on my face.
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Brienne finally getting knighted was pretty OK. Of all the poo poo going on I think people may have hated that the least?
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I thought the Dothraki weapons all going out as they charged into the undead was a cool scene. The episode it was in was objectively awful. As was every single other episode of the show since like season 5.
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I think the white walker resolution would've felt less anticlimatic if all of the Beyond the Wall stuff happened right before it instead of getting sandwiched into Season 7's climax. Stuff like Dany executing the Tarly's, Arya killing the Freys, should've been the set up for the final battle at King's Landing. The other big problem is that so much of the ending hinged around Jon, Dany, Tyrion, and Cersei's choices that it means that other characters have their climatic moments and/or decisions revolve around the preceding four in odd ways, like Jaime's whiplash in returning to Cersei, Arya killing the Night King, Sansa destroying the alliance between Tyrion, Jon, and Dany, and Varys' changing allegiances. Arya and Sansa in particular reeks of them needing something to do otherwise they'd be as extraneous to the endgame as Davos or Sam.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I thought the Dothraki weapons all going out as they charged into the undead was a cool scene. The episode it was in was objectively awful. As was every single other episode of the show since like season 5. It was a cool scene. Part of the problem by the end was that they had a bunch of cool scenes they wanted to put in but could only force them into the plot by having people act like idiots all the time
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I mean it's not like GRRM knows how to get to the ending either GRRMs issue is writing his characters and then going "Actually they'd probably do this too", then going down that route Over and over I think he knows where he wants to go with the ending but he's too busy trying to fill in every single gap in every single character's story as he sees it.
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Of all the travesties of that season, Cersei dying by brick was the worst Jamie swooping in to die with her was dumb too
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Hexel posted:Of all the travesties of that season, Cersei dying by brick was the worst They weren’t even crushed in a cool manner, just slowly surrounded by bricks like it’s the cask of amontillado I was hoping a giant would have stepped on more people tbh
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Sky Shadowing posted:They paid Matthew Bellamy a presumably large sum to make a song all about "bring her back" with the goddamn resurrection prayer, and then... nobody's brought back. What song is this and where is it?
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The "her" they were referring to was Ros. She was the best. They should have brought her back.
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Solice Kirsk posted:The "her" they were referring to was Ros. She was the best. They should have brought her back. Killing her off was when I knew the show was truly lost.
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Qwertycoatl posted:It was a cool scene. Part of the problem by the end was that they had a bunch of cool scenes they wanted to put in but could only force them into the plot by having people act like idiots all the time I mean they could have had an equally cool scene with the Dothraki wheeling about and launching fire arrows because if you have the best light cavalry in the world the dumbest thing you could do would be to charge them blindly at an enemy that doesn't have a formation to disrupt or morale to break
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Pattonesque posted:I mean they could have had an equally cool scene with the Dothraki wheeling about and launching fire arrows because if you have the best light cavalry in the world the dumbest thing you could do would be to charge them blindly at an enemy that doesn't have a formation to disrupt or morale to break The scene would have been so much better if the Dothraki had attacked from behind as the walkers got to the fire line. Everyone cheering since the pincer trap was successful and then panicking as the flames go out from both sides. That would have required competent writing and directing though.
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cirus posted:The scene would have been so much better if the Dothraki had attacked from behind as the walkers got to the fire line. Everyone cheering since the pincer trap was successful and then panicking as the flames go out from both sides. That would have required competent writing and directing though. It would also show that regular tactics wouldn't work and they'd have to try more and more desperate measures to stay alive/win. Ultimately that could have culminated in Arya making a last ditch attempt to kill the leader in a "I don't care if I live or die, we're all hosed" moment which might have kinda worked.
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