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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

StarkRavingMad posted:

Undermine is great and I think it deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Hopefully it gets some buzz with the 1.0 release.
yeah I hope so too although 3,300 reviews is pretty good. that's only about a 1/3rd of what nuclear throne is and for a game that's just coming out of EA in a few days that's not shabby. or maybe Nuclear Throne just wasn't as popular as I thought.

I think maybe you even recommended it many months back, or someone did saying it's superceded a lot of the older legacy roguelites, and they're right. It's really good if you're down with the lizard ocd brain roguelite metaprogression battle floors->boss->floor with RNG drops letting you make crazy OP builds formula

Xaris fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Aug 5, 2020

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explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Thanks for the heads up about Undermine! I've had it wishlisted forever and it does look like they're increasing the price at launch so I picked it up now. Really looking forward to checking it out, I've heard so many good things about it.

singateco
Jan 28, 2013
Between Undermine and Risk of Rain 2, it's a good month for indie roguelike games to graduate from Early Access, I guess.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

punished milkman posted:

it's a lot of fun. seems like the kind of genre that would absolutely rule if there was a map editor and custom user made maps in the mix. it reminds me of those crazy bound games in starcraft

yeah I'm getting some transformice vibes from this game which definitely benefited from user made content showing up alongside real maps to keep things fresh

Begemot posted:

Man, stacking debuffs on bosses in Monster Train can get pretty absurd.





I got a crypt builder for 2400 damage on seraph once. just loving erased

Jamfrost
Jul 20, 2013

I'm too busy thinkin' about my baby. Oh I ain't got time for nothin' else.
Slime TrainerS

singateco posted:

Between Undermine and Risk of Rain 2, it's a good month for indie roguelike games to graduate from Early Access, I guess.

Woah, really? Awesome. I'll give RoR2 a fresh playthrough during the weekend or something.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Ragequit posted:

Thank you to the goons who mentioned Chronicon the other day. This really scratches the Diablo itch. The skills have been interesting so far (only level 17) and you can respec at will, so I've tried out a few builds based on unique items I've found. I see they also copied the gem/sets/gambling system wholesale from Diablo 3, which I appreciate. Unique items seem to drop fairly often. I hope that trend continues with the legendary and true legendary items when I am at the correct level and difficulty.
Speaking of scratching the Diablo itch! Do you guys like Grim Dawn? Do you like Diablo 2? Do you sometimes wish that Grim Dawn had been more like Diablo 2?

Well, do I have just the thing for you!

quote:

Reign of Terror is a full remake (not a 1:1 copy) of the classic ARPG Diablo II, and includes all content and classes present in the original Diablo II, including its expansion, Lord of Destruction. It uses all the original sounds and music, and even all the cut scenes available in-game. In addition to this, as this is a Grim Dawn mod, it also features all Grim Dawn Classes and items, and all of the core mechanics of Grim Dawn.
A download is available in the project thread on the Crate Entertainment forums.

I found out about this only days ago and I honestly can't say enough about how amazing that mod is. It's literally Diablo 2, all of it. The entire project is nearly 100% percent complete and is has basically all of it: Acts 1 to 5, the gear, the characters, the dialogue, the environments. The Fallen even run and shout RAKANISHU! at you. It has all of it, and some of it I would say it even makes better - Black Marsh looks really, really nice now.

It also still has all the base mechanics of Grim Dawn, so if you ever wanted to play a fully featured Necromancer who is also a fully featured Sorceress, then you can.

Seriously, play this mod.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Woah, neat. Did they rebuild the assets from scratch somehow or is it like a re-skin of Grim Dawn?

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Fruits of the sea posted:

Woah, neat. Did they rebuild the assets from scratch somehow or is it like a re-skin of Grim Dawn?
They rebuilt nearly everything from scratch. Some assets of Grim Dawn are reused in a modified form (I think the Fallen are based on goblins) but nearly everything else they made from hand, including the environments. All of the maps are one hundred percent hand-made and incredibly faithful to the original, even if there is the occasional difference. Try it and see for yourself! The moment you walk out into the Blood Moor and that classic guitar riff starts, you will feel like you're coming home.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Man, Hellpoint is... Well I still hesitate to call it good, but it's definitely one of the most interesting and ambitious soulslikes in a while. It also commits EXTRA HARD to being vague and mysterious, which is both a pro and a con. Here's a somewhat spoilery example of the bizarre nonsense that happens as you flounder about in this game: At one point in the game I was fighting creepy flesh clown enemies deep in a port somewhere. Having learned about hidden doors earlier, I happened to spot one that led me down a short corridor that ended in a mysterious spooky purple obelisk. Upon interacting with it I was asked if I wanted to interface with it. Of course I said yes. I then got teleported to a weird mirrored version of the level I'd been in, with different enemies wandering about and some weird new crafting items laying about, but there were walls blocking off access to most of the level. I figured it was just a weird way to get some more content out of the game and left it alone afterwards. Later, I had managed to open my way to the boss of the zone, who is a giant pain in the rear end and killed me several times. In frustration, I wandered around the level to get more not-souls so I could equip a neat gun I'd found, and remembered the mirrored dimension place. Upon exploring it again, I found out that, oddly enough, the pathway to the boss was NOT one of the pathways blocked in it. Curious, I wondered if there was a secret boss or if it was a bug or what (the game is rather buggy, so sometimes you don't know) so I dropped down to its arena. It was still there, but passive. And I had a talk prompt with it.

And this is how I found out some lore. In a mirrored dimension hidden behind a secret door. Delivered by a boss who was a huge pain in the rear end.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Cardiovorax posted:

It also still has all the base mechanics of Grim Dawn, so if you ever wanted to play a fully featured Necromancer who is also a fully featured Sorceress, then you can.

Seriously, play this mod.
Or you can play a double necromancer.

I don't know if this is any good, I haven't tried the mod myself, but base Grim Dawn also has a necromancer class so you can enroll in skeleton school twice by accident and be Two Necromancers.

Orv
May 4, 2011
Get you PhD in skelemancy with Dr. Skelebone.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Zereth posted:

Or you can play a double necromancer.

I don't know if this is any good, I haven't tried the mod myself, but base Grim Dawn also has a necromancer class so you can enroll in skeleton school twice by accident and be Two Necromancers.
There's a bit of redundancy and the damage types don't synergize very well, so there are better Grim Dawn classes to pick for that, but yes: it totally is a thing you can do.

Reign of Terror is so good.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Phlegmish posted:

It doesn't need to crush anything, I think the two niches only overlap somewhat. I'm not interested in those hentai dating sims. I have no problem with them, everyone is obviously free to play them to their heart's content, they just don't appeal to me. The (imo) overused anime aesthetic plays an important part in that.

If Subverse actually succeeds at what it promises, and doesn't have any dodgy stuff, I'll probably check it out. Whether or not it will succeed, and whether or not it will sell well even if it does, yeah, that's a different matter.

What I've heard is it's gonna have lots of "dodgy stuff" or less euphemistically rape among other things. I remember some goon in a discord saying something about them being real two faced about what's in the trailer and what they're telling their closer community.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Speaking of Grim Dawn, how long and grindy it is? Compared to D2 and Titan Quest? I like the genre but I'm growing impatient with age and I can't really tolerate 90's levels of grind and player unfriendly mechanics.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Angry Lobster posted:

Speaking of Grim Dawn, how long and grindy it is? Compared to D2 and Titan Quest? I like the genre but I'm growing impatient with age and I can't really tolerate 90's levels of grind and player unfriendly mechanics.
It is literally Titan Quest with new classes and a new map. They run on the same engine and they share nearly all their mechanics. Grim Dawn is much better and less bland and samey than Titan Quest, but they're fundamentally made very much out of the same mold. It also has the same "play three times with increasing difficulty" thing that has been in ARPGs since Diablo 2.

Even if that doesn't sound like something you'd enjoy, though, it's still worth buying just so you can run the Diablo 2 mod on it. There are also many mods that exist just to may it less slow and grindy, such Smash'n'Grab, which makes everything much much faster.

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


Did anyone pick up Fall Guys? It's appearing in my feed a lot and looks like it's...Massively Multiplayer Warioware?

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Artelier posted:

Did anyone pick up Fall Guys? It's appearing in my feed a lot and looks like it's...Massively Multiplayer Warioware?

Battle Royale Mario Party

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Angry Lobster posted:

Speaking of Grim Dawn, how long and grindy it is? Compared to D2 and Titan Quest? I like the genre but I'm growing impatient with age and I can't really tolerate 90's levels of grind and player unfriendly mechanics.

If you just want to play through the campaign once, it's pretty pain-free. Similiar to D2. GD is much more generous with dropping runes/relics than Titan Quest or D2, which is really nice. Some of the mechanics and feedback are a little obtuse though, so it's a good idea to read through the OP in the Grim Dawn thread before you start: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3758855

There are optional rogue-like dungeons which I would suggest avoiding if you are grind-averse.

If you want to farm specific gear for crazy end-game builds, there are some nice 3rd party apps that let you add whatever items to your character or you can go online and ask goons for loot. They are pretty friendly.

DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."

A Sometimes Food posted:

What I've heard is it's gonna have lots of "dodgy stuff" or less euphemistically rape among other things. I remember some goon in a discord saying something about them being real two faced about what's in the trailer and what they're telling their closer community.

It's made by people famous for making animated rape. Anyone who thinks their game isn't going to be full of exactly that is deluding themselves.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Cardiovorax posted:

It is literally Titan Quest with new classes and a new map. They run on the same engine and they share nearly all their mechanics. Grim Dawn is much better and less bland and samey than Titan Quest, but they're fundamentally made very much out of the same mold. It also has the same "play three times with increasing difficulty" thing that has been in ARPGs since Diablo 2.

Even if that doesn't sound like something you'd enjoy, though, it's still worth buying just so you can run the Diablo 2 mod on it. There are also many mods that exist just to may it less slow and grindy, such Smash'n'Grab, which makes everything much much faster.


Fruits of the sea posted:

If you just want to play through the campaign once, it's pretty pain-free. Similiar to D2. GD is much more generous with dropping runes/relics than Titan Quest or D2, which is really nice. Some of the mechanics and feedback are a little obtuse though, so it's a good idea to read through the OP in the Grim Dawn thread before you start: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3758855

There are optional rogue-like dungeons which I would suggest avoiding if you are grind-averse.

If you want to farm specific gear for crazy end-game builds, there are some nice 3rd party apps that let you add whatever items to your character or you can go online and ask goons for loot. They are pretty friendly.

I understand, thanks for the tips. It's not that I'm averse to grind, just that I don't have much time left to play videogames nowadays and I want my play sessions to be meaningful and rewarding. I wish I had the time and willingness to put in the effort required to grind for weeks just to chase one item and get that sweet, big dopamine hit, just like we did 20 years ago. However Grim Dawn looks interesting and I'll put in my wishlist to buy it off in the next steam sale. Thanks for the comments.

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

Do I need any of the Grim Dawn DLC to play Reign of Terror?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

tight aspirations posted:

Do I need any of the Grim Dawn DLC to play Reign of Terror?

https://www.reignofterrorgd.com/faqs

Yes...to a point?

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

tight aspirations posted:

Do I need any of the Grim Dawn DLC to play Reign of Terror?
Yes, you do, but it's a good idea to get them anyway because they add a lot of content and three entire new classes. It's the good type of DLC, more like fully fledged Lord Of Destruction style expansion packs.

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

Ah, ok. Thanks for the help!

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



A Sometimes Food posted:

What I've heard is it's gonna have lots of "dodgy stuff" or less euphemistically rape among other things. I remember some goon in a discord saying something about them being real two faced about what's in the trailer and what they're telling their closer community.

StudioFOW why you got to do me like that

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy

Cardiovorax posted:

Speaking of scratching the Diablo itch! Do you guys like Grim Dawn? Do you like Diablo 2? Do you sometimes wish that Grim Dawn had been more like Diablo 2?

Well, do I have just the thing for you!

A download is available in the project thread on the Crate Entertainment forums.

I found out about this only days ago and I honestly can't say enough about how amazing that mod is. It's literally Diablo 2, all of it. The entire project is nearly 100% percent complete and is has basically all of it: Acts 1 to 5, the gear, the characters, the dialogue, the environments. The Fallen even run and shout RAKANISHU! at you. It has all of it, and some of it I would say it even makes better - Black Marsh looks really, really nice now.

It also still has all the base mechanics of Grim Dawn, so if you ever wanted to play a fully featured Necromancer who is also a fully featured Sorceress, then you can.

Seriously, play this mod.

Holy moly, you weren't kidding. It looks and sounds incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfORV4NpEEY

I'll definitely pick up the definitive version of Grim Dawn the next time it's on sale.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

DatonKallandor posted:

It's made by people famous for making animated rape. Anyone who thinks their game isn't going to be full of exactly that is deluding themselves.

this is the other problem with the idea of "mass market porn games". perverts, the core audience of these games, are going to have a lot higher tolerance and indeed higher demand for creepy stuff like incest, dodgy consensuality, absurdly shaped bodies with non-human features, all kinds of poo poo. something in that mixed bag of horny is likely to turn away potential buyers in genuine disgust. a game which is more realistic in how it depicts human bodies, human relationships, and human sexuality is less likely to be purchased by hentai perverts who will absolutely buy your game otherwise if it has blue demon women with JJJ cup breasts. i don't see how you can reconcile these demands and break through the 'legitimacy' barrier without inheriting some parts of the raging internet libido

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.
Ubisoft Sale going on at Uplay. $5 for Anno 2070? The 20% off with points works as well.

Edit: Undermine has been confirmed for Game Pass this month.

Irritated Goat fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 5, 2020

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Teenage me tried one of the many nude mods for elder scrolls games and came to two conclusions:
Porn in a game is really off putting and totally distracts from the gameplay.
Having to do poo poo in a game complicates and distracts from the otherwise enjoyable activity of wanking.

Why people buy the stuff, whatever the production quality, is something I’ll never understand.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

StarkRavingMad posted:

Undermine is great and I think it deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Hopefully it gets some buzz with the 1.0 release.

I asked this before but only got one joke response (which admittedly was a perfect response, I am not complaining). How much of this game do you have to play as the mustache guy? I really hate mustaches and its honestly a deal breaker for Undermine. The only game I was able to give a mustache pass to was MGS4. And it was begrudgingly.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



luxury handset posted:

this is the other problem with the idea of "mass market porn games". perverts, the core audience of these games, are going to have a lot higher tolerance and indeed higher demand for creepy stuff like incest, dodgy consensuality, absurdly shaped bodies with non-human features, all kinds of poo poo. something in that mixed bag of horny is likely to turn away potential buyers in genuine disgust. a game which is more realistic in how it depicts human bodies, human relationships, and human sexuality is less likely to be purchased by hentai perverts who will absolutely buy your game otherwise if it has blue demon women with JJJ cup breasts. i don't see how you can reconcile these demands and break through the 'legitimacy' barrier without inheriting some parts of the raging internet libido

Yeah, this is a good point. I'm not going to pretend to be morally superior to anyone, I'm not and if this is your cup of tea that's fine, but I personally don't think every 'erotic' game needs to have tentacles, cartoon boobs the size of cars, sometimes even questionable consensuality, etc. If it does, I'll be unlikely to buy it, which will make them conclude that that's the type of game people want, and so on.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー

Ragequit posted:

Holy moly, you weren't kidding. It looks and sounds incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfORV4NpEEY

I'll definitely pick up the definitive version of Grim Dawn the next time it's on sale.

I know I'm not the target audience and all, but I played a lot of D2 single player back in the day and I gotta say, it's highlighting like every bad thing ARPGS and D2/3 in particular where terrible about. He spends 5 minutes walking about a flat paddock killing mooks that posed zero threat to him in the most boring way possible while various loot explosions occurred and the only time he engaged his brain was to window browse 5 pages of abilities thinking how cool it's gonna be.

I know he's only level 1, but the point still stands; the core gameplay loop (and/or the opposition) is mind numbingly dull. I can't believe I used to play that genre.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


SolidSnakesBandana posted:

I asked this before but only got one joke response (which admittedly was a perfect response, I am not complaining). How much of this game do you have to play as the mustache guy? I really hate mustaches and its honestly a deal breaker for Undermine. The only game I was able to give a mustache pass to was MGS4. And it was begrudgingly.

I don't know how early it unlocks but there's a mirror in one of the hub rooms that rerolls your name and appearance

All the dude-archetypes have staches though, no way around that

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

Serephina posted:

I know I'm not the target audience and all, but I played a lot of D2 single player back in the day and I gotta say, it's highlighting like every bad thing ARPGS and D2/3 in particular where terrible about. He spends 5 minutes walking about a flat paddock killing mooks that posed zero threat to him in the most boring way possible while various loot explosions occurred and the only time he engaged his brain was to window browse 5 pages of abilities thinking how cool it's gonna be.

I know he's only level 1, but the point still stands; the core gameplay loop (and/or the opposition) is mind numbingly dull. I can't believe I used to play that genre.


You have a point. The last time I played Diablo 2 was using the Eastern Sun mod and that game actually makes low level monsters somewhat of a threat. As cool as it would be to play Diablo 2 in the Grim Dawn engine, what I would really want to do is play Eastern Sun. I think for many people its the sound design of Diablo 2 that triggers hardcore goodfeels. That light guitar in the background, the sound of my weapon connecting, the distinctive grunts of the zombies, its like slipping in to a warm blanket from childhood.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I assume they thought your mustachephobia was meant as a joke, but if it's real, best of luck to you and be thankful you probably weren't around during the 1970's.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

Fruits of the sea posted:

Teenage me tried one of the many nude mods for elder scrolls games and came to two conclusions:
Porn in a game is really off putting and totally distracts from the gameplay.
Having to do poo poo in a game complicates and distracts from the otherwise enjoyable activity of wanking.

Why people buy the stuff, whatever the production quality, is something I’ll never understand.

I always use the Better Bodies mod for Morrowind that implements full nudity if a character is completely undressed, because you haven’t lived until you’re fighting Dagoth Ur cultists in a cave system, only they’re completely nude now. A dude with a spiked club and his dingus dangling launching out of the inky black shadows—now that’s something.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

You have a point. The last time I played Diablo 2 was using the Eastern Sun mod and that game actually makes low level monsters somewhat of a threat. As cool as it would be to play Diablo 2 in the Grim Dawn engine, what I would really want to do is play Eastern Sun. I think for many people its the sound design of Diablo 2 that triggers hardcore goodfeels. That light guitar in the background, the sound of my weapon connecting, the distinctive grunts of the zombies, its like slipping in to a warm blanket from childhood.

Yeah D2 is not a good game by today's standards. It's all just nostalgia. I played the poo poo out of it in high school. But as an adult I can't imagine enjoying it now.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I always use the Better Bodies mod for Morrowind that implements full nudity if a character is completely undressed, because you haven’t lived until you’re fighting Dagoth Ur cultists in a cave system, only they’re completely nude now. A dude with a spiked club and his dingus dangling launching out of the inky black shadows—now that’s something.

Also the default filthy loincloths/mormon underwear in the 3d elder scrolls/fallouts just kinda look bad in that jank rear end bethesda way, while yes bandits going dongs out is really goddamned funny juvenile as I am.

Disgusting Coward
Feb 17, 2014
Undermine is really really aggressively Okay.

Uninspired setting, graphics are nice but generic, music is nice but generic, gameplay is a bit stodgy and samey. Played 1 hour 55 minutes, refunded.

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Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

bamhand posted:

Yeah D2 is not a good game by today's standards. It's all just nostalgia. I played the poo poo out of it in high school. But as an adult I can't imagine enjoying it now.
I think there's something really satisfying about the sheer variety of itemization and character development games like that allow. Yeah, the core gameplay isn't exactly a spectacle brawler like Devil May Cry where the whole point is to kill things in the most flashy and impressive way possible, but if you enjoy the experience of planning out and continually improving your gear/skill/enchantment synergies in order to keep up with the steadily increasing strength of the enemies, then it can be very fun. It takes a certain type of mindset, though. You have to really like to see the numbers get bigger.

And what can I say, I do. :shobon:

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