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Phlegmish posted:Yeah, this is a good point. I'm not going to pretend to be morally superior to anyone, I'm not and if this is your cup of tea that's fine, but I personally don't think every 'erotic' game needs to have tentacles, cartoon boobs the size of cars, sometimes even questionable consensuality, etc. If it does, I'll be unlikely to buy it, which will make them conclude that that's the type of game people want, and so on. I saw a good explanation along the lines of: There's a ton of free porn, so any kind of paid porn product these days tends to be strange and cater to obscure fetishes, things that wouldn't normally be part of your average sex life. In fictional stuff it trends even more extreme, as your audience will pay for experiences that are not possible in real life, and they'll pay a lot because the people with physically impossible out-there fetishes can literally find it nowhere else in the world. So in the end every product will trend to weird body parts, furries, and questionable situations because there is a gold in them there (doggy dick) hills.
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Sorry to interrupt all the porn talk, but I was wondering what deck building games this thread recommends. Obviously I’m on board with Slay the Spire and Monster Train, and I’m having such a good time with those (except when I have a lovely run on StS and scream “stupid game CHEATS” at the computer like I’m not a 30-year old man) that I was looking to branch out into some other ones! Thanks in advance!
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I've got a philosophical question for you all. How come, in games, non-consensual violence (shooting, stabbing, dismemberment, etc), especially like in Doom / Eternal ultra violence and stuff is just loving fine, but the moment anyone considers forcibly (non-consensual) poking sex organs with other sex organs in games, it's the horror of the century? This culture has some loving weird psychological disconnects between sex and violence. Exploded corpses? Sure, go for it. Exposed titties? SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN/etc. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. Violence is much more accepted in western/  American culturehence why we sell men with guns as toys for kids
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The disconnect between sex and violence is a thing in all media, but I see you're asking specifically about non-consensual sexual violence. So on the face of it, it's because it's creepy and unnecessary. Some folks would love to get into longwinded phiosophical debates, but at the end of the day I can't think of a game that would be improved by having rape in it.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. "forcibly (non-consensual) poking sex organs with other sex organs" (just say rape you fuckin nerd) is violence, hth
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. At age 14 most Yankees have first hand witnessed seven mass shootings, but have yet to get laid. Maybe you should think of the children. Edit: Also rape is up there with graphical torture scenes and that's still a no-no in general, you weirdo
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The 7th Guest posted:this isn't a philosophical question so much as a tired question from an MRA reddit It's something that I wondered about long before Reddit was a thing, but ultimately the answer is that that's America for you. e: That's in reference to sex and violence in general. I missed that the question was specifically about non-consensual sex (and consensual violence?), which is a bit different, yeah.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. agreed we should be more conscientious of the "a demon being ripped in half by doom guy" survivors among us. there may be hundreds of cacodemons who lived through a doom guy punching their big eyeball suffering in silence that we simply ignore. sad.
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an extremely traumatic thing that people don't want to relive when they go to video games for escapism, is basically the same thing as soldier blowing up the scout with a rocket also people outside of gaming still complain about violence in video games including our dumbass president, so the argument doesn't even make sense. you just don't notice 'protect our kids'/satanic panic stuff anymore because it's in a completely different isolated bubble of the internet (and also you might have grown up with parents that frowned on violence in video games but now are away from said parents so it is no longer a narrative you pay attention to) also think about how many billion games come out daily. it's one thing when mortal kombat was a hugely successful arcade game getting a console port that got parents upset, it's another thing when 5 games just released in the time i typed this sentence and no one is really regulating it. it's just going too fast now for those people to grab hold of anything if you're asking why people in the gaming community are resistant to this content, that comes back to the fact that those voices have always been there but have not had an equal platform until the internet. because before then, gaming was in a spiral of marketing solely to teen boys, and that carried over to magazines and gaming journalism. which is why every review had a comparison about how playing a game was like having sex with a pretty lady it's not like women suddenly said "hey i just realized rape in games is really upsetting", it's that their voice wasn't counted or listened to until the turn of the century even then it took another 10 years for their voices to be amplified, which of course led to chud pushback and now we're in hell The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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The 7th Guest posted:this isn't a philosophical question so much as a tired question from an MRA reddit Also, there's that thing where explicit sexual content exists for literally no other reason except to get off to it, and only sick people get off to the idea of rape.
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I play games non lethally when possible
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Sharkopath posted:Very different style of battle royale game where the amount of people on the map is very low, the map is full of environmental features that give off alerts if you get too close so instead of being an action oriented game based on killing players it ends up a more stealth focused experience where most of your time is spent navigating from point to point with your buddy planning routes to avoid enemies and sneak up on other players. Thanks! This kind of tension is the only form of videogame challenge I genuinely enjoy. How is the player population?
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Sorry to interrupt this absolutely worthwhile discussion. A few of my games (I can't seem to figure out a common denominator) seem to unwilling to enable steam overlay \ allow steam to capture screenshots, even if I change the default screenshot button. Is this so sort of common problem that has an established fix? Google isn't helping.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. But the specific thing you're talking about is not that. The violence in media is, contextually, righteous or justified in some way. You can certainly discuss the validity of those justifications and whether they make sense or are just window dressing for the violence, but even so characters are violent to achieve a goal. Rape, on the other hand, can't generally be structured in a way to make its purpose anything other than self satisfying violence. It is much more hosed up morally. The few edge cases where it can be justified for external reasons (rape by deception where a character sleeps with another for the purpose of stealing info or getting access, or circumstantial coercion where the other character doesn't contextually have much choice but doesn't actively object) are much more common in media and get no more criticism, and are not really any more taboo, than violence does.
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Violence is also inherently well-suited to videogames because it is primarily about controlling movement through space, which is extremely intuitive and satisfying in a game. Games generally have to be fun in order to be worthwhile. There are movies that involve rape as a subject matter that are richer for it; it’s hard to think if a game that would be. There is, maybe, at least one: LISA. It’s questionable if what the game deals with could be considered rape, but it’s definitely part of the plot, and that being in the realm of possibility enriches the game’s characters and artistic impact. It is also, notably, kind of an anti-fun game. Edit: I played LISA a long time ago and forgot that it explicitly depicts rape in one circumstance. I was thinking about the main plot.
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Also rape generally involves actual human beings(or things very close to them). Super turbo violence in video games is mostly reserved for monsters demons and zombies. Not many realistic shooters that depict graphic violence or gore. Please do not provide any counter examples of games that involve raping non humanoid things.
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Anonymous Robot posted:Violence is also inherently well-suited to videogames because it is primarily about controlling movement through space, which is extremely intuitive and satisfying in a game. I'd also say that violence is a basic, easily-understandable way to have a failure state for both you and the enemies - it's the most basic form of failure. You won against that game challenge, in this case through violence, so he fell over/died/exploded, and is no longer a challenge or threat. You failed the game's challenge, why can't you continue? You fell over/died/exploded.
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Xander77 posted:Sorry to interrupt this absolutely worthwhile discussion. Not sure why, but some games just do not allow steam overlay at all for technical reasons yeah. Don't think there's an established fix.
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A Sometimes Food posted:Not sure why, but some games just do not allow steam overlay at all for technical reasons yeah. Don't think there's an established fix.
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bamhand posted:Please do not provide any counter examples of games that involve raping non humanoid things. Xander77 posted:In this case, I'm trying to capture some screenshots from Sorcery 3. And I know for a fact that I managed to get screenshots from Sorcery 1 and 2 back when I've LP'd it - and I can't right now. So something apparently changed on my end and... can be changed back, possibly?
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. the philosophical answer: lol gently caress off
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. a lot of folks don't really like graphic violence either, but violence is more acceptable in cartoon terms as a gameplay mechanic than cartoon sex violence can be abstracted away, or softened, or justified, to some level where it's not graphic anymore and barely even violence. you can't really do the same for explicit sexual content aside from just innuendo or softcore cheese, or silly wish fulfillment romance subplots. and there's more games out there i think for people to get themselves off to sexually than there are games for people to live out some fantasy of inflicting extreme violence on another person if we're talking about explicit torture and realistically depicted violence on the same level as realistically depicted non-consensual sex, then i think you'll find both of them held in equal distaste by the general gaming public
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Are there any porn games that really lean into the game part and have, like, Tony Hawkesque combos and poo poo?
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There is at least one game where people did get repulsed by an unjustified and graphic depiction of violence: Chiller, a horror-themed shooting gallery game that includes targets such as helplessly bound torture victims. Not a lot of calls for a Chiller sequel.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. That's an interesting question, no matter what anyone says. I actually tolerate sexual content more than I do violence, personally. However, in both cases, the level of detail, context, and level of player involvement are what determine what I find unacceptable. And it's arbitrary, even hypocritical, but human beings aren't rational. For example, in a game like Doom or Serious Sam, I have no problems blowing up thousands of (especially non-human) creatures so that they explode in ludicrous gibs. They're your enemies, they're grotesque, they don't really talk, they had it coming. I don't think twice about it. And in a game like Vermintide 2, or hell, basically any Western RPG of the past two decades, I don't really pay attention to the mounds and mounds of gruesomely mutilated corpses and skulls that surround you. But when my character is the one inflicting the damage, or I'm forced to watch graphic details of it happening, I check out. A series like Sniper Elite I find almost viscerally disturbing from what I've seen, not because of the level of violence (which is mild if anything), but because of the way said violence is framed and presented. You're rewarded for landing 'trick shots' on enemies who are clearly presented as regular human beings, even though you're not supposed to think of them that way since they're Germans who were born in the wrong decade, and then they give you a slow-motion recap of the damage inflicted by your bullet. Wow, you got him in the eye! Watch him die in agony as we zoom in on his face! Omg this next one I shot in the balls haha genital mutilation is funny  The same goes for sexual content. I don't care at all if it's a 'porn game', I'm about to check out a bunch of them, and gently caress any neo-Puritan that has a problem with that. I also wouldn't mind too much if the game in question has you fighting an enemy that uses rape as a weapon, and you see the aftermath of that or something - provided it's not handled in a tone-deaf way. However, if it's your character that is nudged into raping someone, and you have to do a QTE or whatever to rape them successfully, and all of it is presented in a graphic way, I would immediately close the game. As I said, it's not rational. It's a bit like that alleged Stalin quote: One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. e: oh and just ignore the goons going 'lol gently caress off CHUD MRA INCEL CREEP', it's SA, they're contractually obligated to post a combination of these words every few hours. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Horizon Zero Dawn preload has started on Steam, a humble 70GBs. GMG has sent out activation keys if you purchased it from there.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Thanks! This kind of tension is the only form of videogame challenge I genuinely enjoy. How is the player population?
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I've tried Grounded on Game Pass for about half an hour and it seems really well made so far! I like the setting and the gameplay a lot from my brief time with it, before getting killed by a soldier ant. The UI and atmosphere inexplicably gave very strong Fallout: New Vegas vibes and I'm not playing more right now only because I want to play the full game in the future without burning out on it now. Kudos to Obsidian and hopefully when I get to play more of it, it won't jump the shark suddenly.
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Ambaire posted:I've got a philosophical question for you all. You get raped at the end of FEAR 2, of all games.
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Xander77 posted:In this case, I'm trying to capture some screenshots from Sorcery 3. And I know for a fact that I managed to get screenshots from Sorcery 1 and 2 back when I've LP'd it - and I can't right now. So something apparently changed on my end and... can be changed back, possibly? Could you just use OBS to capture gameplay and then grab screenshots from the recording?
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Shrecknet posted:Could you just use OBS to capture gameplay and then grab screenshots from the recording? As someone who uses OBS and hates that there's no screenshot function: i hate this.
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there's also the question of what is normalized - most people understand violence, how violence works, when violence is legal and moral and when it is not, and so on. you get weird people being all "wanna date my daughter gotta talk to my shotgun first" kind of implied violence, or people cheering police brutality, but mostly people get the idea that unwanted violence is bad and you're a loon if you go around threatening to hit people the idea of consensuality in sex is still a lot dodgier for people as a whole, where the idea of positive consent in sex is sometimes seen as a mockable Politically Correct thing, and men are sometimes encouraged to violate women's boundaries as a show of devotion ("but what did i do wrong showing up at her workplace with a bunch of flowers??") so that people are going to be more suspicious of any content which shows a violation of consensuality as being positive in some way
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Nyaa posted:Here's my 2cent answer: Physically damage can be healed (to an extend), but Mental Trauma is 100X worst and can never be truly healed. Physical pain is bad, but being haunted by tragic memory for the rest of your life with occasional nightmares or flashback will drove people to suicide. Disregarding the discussion otherwise, calling the effects of physical trauma "100 times less bad than mental trauma" is maybe underselling the effects of long-term physical trauma just a little bit, not that the two aren't closely intertwined to begin with. A chronic state of pain or other permanent state of physical debilitation will, obviously, also never truly heal and its effects on one's quality of life can be truly horrific.
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Shrecknet posted:Could you just use OBS to capture gameplay and then grab screenshots from the recording? Maybe Irfranview or something, though that's glitchy as well...
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Xander77 posted:It's a CYOA. I just need a screenshot button. Couldn't you just F12 then pause and alt-tab over to Paint or whatever and paste from clipboard?
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Shrecknet posted:Couldn't you just F12 then pause and alt-tab over to Paint or whatever and paste from clipboard?
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Phlegmish posted:even though you're not supposed to think of them that way since they're Germans who were born in the wrong decade lol
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