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The thing about Ennis' Punisher which is kinda funny is that BORN basically implies he's the literal avatar of Death itself or some force of that nature, which is how he apparently just never runs out of gas. MAX is kinda interesting because even Frank admits what he's doing isn't really helping at one point during The Slavers. He flat out tells the social worker lady that he'll naturally brutally slaughter this particular group of human traffickers but they'll be replaced by some other group in no time at all. That being said Frank's reputation is somehow this thing of legend but nobody seems to respect it because sufficiently evil criminals keep piling into his neighborhood one after the other and it stretches credulity a bit that even the dumbest among them don't think "Maybe, just maybe- we could go to another metro area where there isn't a psychotic vigilante who has wiped out the mafia like 3 times over and killed anyone he ran into". You can only get away with "Yeah but this dude is CRAZY too!" or "This guy has a super grudge against Frank!" or "Oh these guys are foreigners who are so badass and from such a hard part of the world they don't give a poo poo" so many times even if you lampshade it. They do this pretty hard with Barracuda, when he mostly pointlessly kills Frank's British Special Forces buddy and he just flat out tells Barracuda "You're just some punk, and he's the most dangerous man to have ever lived." Fabricated fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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RareAcumen posted:Does the Punisher contribute to the super big catastrophe events like alien invasions and etc or is he literally walking past invading Atlanteans to get in that warehouse and wipe out another faction of Kingpin goons? He does and then some. During last year's big cosmic event, War of the Realms, the Punisher appeared in War of the Realms: Strikeforce, War of the Realms: Punisher, and the main event book itself. There is no explanation given for how he can be in three places at the same time.
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I've long thought of the Person of Interest episode "The Devil's Share" as the only televised Punisher adaptation I will ever need.
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Fabricated posted:The thing about Ennis' Punisher which is kinda funny is that BORN basically implies he's the literal avatar of Death itself or some force of that nature, which is how he apparently just never runs out of gas. stuff like this always makes me interested in the dynamics of criminal underworlds in marvel/DC/mainstream cape stuff. i assume it all depends where you operate. like if your in new york. your more likely to fight spiderman or cops than the punisher and the former two have a better shot of either escaping or being taken to jail, than killed.
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Aug 7, 2020 14:09
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Dapper_Swindler posted:stuff like this always makes me interested in the dynamics of criminal underworlds in marvel/DC/mainstream cape stuff. i assume it all depends where you operate. like if your in new york. your more likely to fight spiderman or cops than the punisher and the former two have a better shot of either escaping or being taken to jail, than killed. If you live in the Marvel Universe and run a criminal enterprise in New York City, you're just a total sucker. If you were to move to Albany or Buffalo your chances of getting roughed up by a superhero drop by 99%.
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What superheroes oversee the cities/regions nobody gives a poo poo about? Like Detroit, Adelaide, and Milton Keynes?
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JordanKai posted:If you live in the Marvel Universe and run a criminal enterprise in New York City, you're just a total sucker. If you were to move to Albany or Buffalo your chances of getting roughed up by a superhero drop by 99%. also i feel like opening up a criminal enterprise in any Major Cape city is bad not just because of capes but because some costumed villian will show up and try to hijack it. "our racket was going fine until some rear end in a top hat named the Cock Goblin showed up and brought down the heat".
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What superheroes oversee the cities/regions nobody gives a poo poo about? Like Detroit, Adelaide, and Milton Keynes? DC actually has a ton of heroes based in Detroit, strangely enough. Marvel doesn't use it much but apparently at one point Iron Man was based there?
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Mokinokaro posted:DC actually has a ton of heroes based in Detroit, strangely enough. I think Firebrand is the only Marvel hero of note that is Detroit-based (or at least Detroit-born?) Iron Man faced off against the villainous robot suit Detroit Steel at one point, if that counts. 
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Scarlet Spider is in Austin, Texas. Or at least he was, I haven't been keeping up. For all I know Kaine died and Cyclops is the new Scarlet Spider somehow.
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Mandalore on Call of Cthulhu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmC-Fb0Wuy8 Since Lovecraft is in the public domain (I think) I feel there's a lot you can do with the material without descending into cliche. Myself, I'd omit all the racism and add more loving. Also we need a protagonist who isn't every detective trope in the book.
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Yeah it's called Bloodborne.
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You can find a lot of decent ones scattered here and there, but a ton of them are also just as fan fictiony as you'd expect. Like the Shallows short story by John Langan was pretty good. I've heard good things about Colder War. The Dagon movie hbomb reviewed is rather amateur but actually has something to say.
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docbeard posted:I've long thought of the Person of Interest episode "The Devil's Share" as the only televised Punisher adaptation I will ever need. Had to Google to check if this was the one I suspected it was but yes. Agreed.
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RareAcumen posted:Does the Punisher contribute to the super big catastrophe events like alien invasions and etc or is he literally walking past invading Atlanteans to get in that warehouse and wipe out another faction of Kingpin goons? I have a dumb obsession over how the Netflix Marvel shows are in the MCU, which means all these people lived in New York as it was being invaded by aliens, and neither that nor anything of the other fantastic stuff ever comes up except for a framed newspaper article. The Punisher show had no fantasy or sci-fi elements at all. It tries to examine the excesses of the War on Terror and the military and intelligence apparatuses, and never brings up the recent incident where a Nazi cult was thoroughly enmeshed in an agency and tried to cull America with a fleet of flying death carriers.
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Dr Christmas posted:I have a dumb obsession over how the Netflix Marvel shows are in the MCU, which means all these people lived in New York as it was being invaded by aliens, and neither that nor anything of the other fantastic stuff ever comes up except for a framed newspaper article. I think there's a blink-or-you'll-miss-it reference to the superbullets from the first season of Luke Cage being made from Chitauri alloys, but yeah, it's definitely not a thing that comes up very often.
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IIRC, all the Netflix shows are set about a year after Avengers 1 so they basically ignore most of the MCU canon. I believe they reference Kingpin's rise to power as part of the rebuilding after the attack.
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I think Jessica Jones says rents are low in her neighborhood because of poo poo falling down from a space battle.
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I usually enjoy Punisher stuff, as long as it doesn't involve any other super heroes. Its a weird mix to have literal super humans and people who can punch trucks, and there is "Guy With Gun". Really enjoyed Ennis' "Welcome Home, Frank" series. Think the Thomas Jane movie was based off of that story.
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Archer666 posted:I usually enjoy Punisher stuff, as long as it doesn't involve any other super heroes. Its a weird mix to have literal super humans and people who can punch trucks, and there is "Guy With Gun". I actually am the opposite, and tend mostly to like the Punisher when he's there to serve as an uncomfortably extreme version of exactly the same poo poo that, say, Daredevil is doing. (Daredevil season 2 had its issues but the first four episodes were gold.) I do need to get around to watching the standalone series, since the dude playing Frank impressed me a lot in Daredevil and it also has Avasarala from The Expanse. Maybe once I dig myself out of this Arrowverse rabbit hole I seem to have disappeared into.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3ZCuXJ7-8s New Children of Doom episode from Errant Signal, this one discussing Marathon.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Mandalore on Call of Cthulhu: Looking at the characters in this thing makes me think of Dishonored, which had that same stylized painting-ish vibe. Except Dishonored did it a lot better.
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I recently played No One Lives Under the Lighthouse and it was a neat little Lovecraftian game.
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drat right finally someone on this forum has also played "I'm surprised it's not Itch!" game. Legit it's really good though a certain part: the maze part ticked a lot of people off. Though I don't really get why people constantly compare it to The Lighthouse movie, other than there being a lighthouse and bits of confusion in parts.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Since Lovecraft is in the public domain (I think) I feel there's a lot you can do with the material without descending into cliche. Myself, I'd omit all the racism and add more loving. Also we need a protagonist who isn't every detective trope in the book. A lot of Lovecraft's stuff is in the public domain, but you have to be careful because August Derleth copyrighted at least some of the elements Lovecraft didn't put out there, like (I believe) the Dreamlands. It's tripped up game companies before who think they can grab from the Mythos with both hands and wind up getting them slapped.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Mandalore on Call of Cthulhu: sinking city is apparently pretty good and omits/deals with the weird hosed up racism in his books. like the fact that fish people exist and are mostly just a weird but well meaning religion and the klan are still awful gently caress heads.
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Dawgstar posted:A lot of Lovecraft's stuff is in the public domain, but you have to be careful because August Derleth copyrighted at least some of the elements Lovecraft didn't put out there, like (I believe) the Dreamlands. It's tripped up game companies before who think they can grab from the Mythos with both hands and wind up getting them slapped.
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Terrible Opinions posted:The Dreamlands as a concept are public domain, but many elements in them are borrowed by Lovecraft from other authors and almost all of those are copyrighted. Yeah, you also have to check to make sure it was actually Lovecraft or somebody like Howard whose estate keeps things on lockdown.
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Waterfall Watcher posted:drat right finally someone on this forum has also played "I'm surprised it's not Itch!" game. Yeah can't say I was a fan of that part. I restarted my game twice cuz I thought I kept loving up. The part where you play as the moth-man blew my mind though.
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Iambic Pentameter posted:An in-depth review of RAD: Robot Alchemic Drive, a mecha game for the PS2 made by Sandlot, the same guys responsible for the Earth Defense Force Series.
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Iambic Pentameter posted:Any feedback or constructive criticism is greatly appreciated, hope you guys enjoy them as much as I've had making them Your channel is fantastic, and I feel the same way you do about Lost Levels.
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JordanKai posted:He does and then some. During last year's big cosmic event, War of the Realms, the Punisher appeared in War of the Realms: Strikeforce, War of the Realms: Punisher, and the main event book itself. There is no explanation given for how he can be in three places at the same time. Okay. I remembering seeing a few panels of him fighting Ghost Rider with a flaming sword or something and I knew he had Warmachine's armor for a bit but I didn't know what the context to any of that was or if he immediately walked off with them to go take the fight to The Hand or something. Dr Christmas posted:I have a dumb obsession over how the Netflix Marvel shows are in the MCU, which means all these people lived in New York as it was being invaded by aliens, and neither that nor anything of the other fantastic stuff ever comes up except for a framed newspaper article. Yeah, it's kinda nice that the movies and shows aren't beholden to each other so you'll do fine without needing to see everything. But boy would The Punisher be a way more sympathetic character if he was hunting down Nazis and cops working for Kingpin or whatever mob boss is around now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVa0Hi1rOg Quinton discusses his giant Garfield plush nightmare that happens to have become rather politically relevant.
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RareAcumen posted:I dunno, I think the half focused around the Punisher was really good and then the Hand sucked. i completely agree but frank castle’s trial was the b-plot of the season and the hand took up most of the season and is some of the least compelling tv ive seen
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It's pretty funny that The Defenders miniseries proceeded to focus the most on the two least popular parts of the Netflix Marvel shows: The Hand and Iron Fist. They definitely thought that everyone was going to love that stuff.
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Flying Zamboni posted:It's pretty funny that The Defenders miniseries proceeded to focus the most on the two least popular parts of the Netflix Marvel shows: The Hand and Iron Fist. They definitely thought that everyone was going to love that stuff. Given what's come about about Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb (TL;DR He's awful and a racist) I'm not surprised the Netflix stuff was so hit or miss.
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Mokinokaro posted:DC actually has a ton of heroes based in Detroit, strangely enough. There's also the Great Lakes Avengers.
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watho posted:i completely agree but frank castle’s trial was the b-plot of the season and the hand took up most of the season and is some of the least compelling tv ive seen No I agree with you there. I was thinking of the second season segmented with the point where DD saves Frank from being tortured and he sets him down in a graveyard I think and they have a conversation before the police arrive as the good half of the season. I had completely forgotten about the part of Frank being in jail and his trial as well.
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Fabricated posted:The thing about Ennis' Punisher which is kinda funny is that BORN basically implies he's the literal avatar of Death itself or some force of that nature, which is how he apparently just never runs out of gas. It's been a long time since I read that comic, but I seem to recall it was more like Frank loved the Vietnam war so much, loved killing, that he didn't want it to end, so death or the devil or something dark and unnamed offers him a deal for an endless personal war, and then only springs the price on him at the last moment, which is that his family will all die. I liked that angle because it didn't try to obfuscate or excuse the fact he's a complete monster. One other aspect I really liked about BORN was that it tied the Vietnam backstory aspect and Frank's personal violence into US Imperialism.
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The move from the Punisher plot to the Hand plot in Daredevil S2 might be one of the most abrupt drops in quality I've ever witnessed. I wanted to drop the show the instant Elektra showed up on screen because her first scene was that bad, and in retrospect I really wish I had because the rest of the season was really unenjoyable.
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