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Nitrousoxide posted:It is pretty hosed up that he keeps shoving her back into the gauntlet over and over when she clearly can't handle it. that's the realization he made when garfield told him about it on the carriage ride
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# ? Aug 5, 2020 23:22 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 14:03 |
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Oh no, the titty ninja is back!
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 00:52 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:It is pretty hosed up that he keeps shoving her back into the gauntlet over and over when she clearly can't handle it. I liked the implication that he's doing exactly the same thing to her that he got angry at Rozwaal for.
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 01:36 |
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This episode was good but felt super short
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 01:40 |
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Clarste posted:I liked the implication that he's doing exactly the same thing to her that he got angry at Rozwaal for.
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 02:26 |
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Jon Joe posted:This episode was good but felt super short After the dc of previous season they all do.
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 07:14 |
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it's because this episode had an OP
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 13:59 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:It is pretty hosed up that he keeps shoving her back into the gauntlet over and over when she clearly can't handle it. Yeah, he's kinda lost touch with struggling after his many painful deaths.
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 19:13 |
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He also still has a bit of a thing where he treats people like NPC's in a video game.
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 22:56 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:It is pretty hosed up that he keeps shoving her back into the gauntlet over and over when she clearly can't handle it. e: forgot to read the new page
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# ? Aug 6, 2020 23:33 |
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Someone mentioned earlier that it was on par with what Roswaal was doing, I just wanted to mention that it isn't quiet on par with Roswaal to be honest. Emilia, as far as we know, does want to undergo the trial. She wants to grow as a person, and become queen of the land. Rem and Ram are just kind of doing their jobs, and it sucks when they're ordered into a situation that will probably result in their deaths. The villagers are just trying to live their lives and trust in their lord to keep them safe, so it sucks when their lord purposefully puts them in a dangerous situation so that Emilia can prove herself. Like, Subaru is pushing her but he's pushing her to succeed in the sense that he's supporting her decision. Roswaal put a bunch of people at risk, people we saw would die if Subaru didn't have special powers, as a political gambit.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 01:25 |
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Yeah, it's more like Subaru's being an extremely out of touch parent who means well but is ultimately probably being quite harmful but doesn't see it, and is just so gosh darned proud that the kid's trying. Roswaal knew that Hans Gruber was going to gatecrash the Christmas party at Nakatomi Plaza and left his kids there so they could make the news and become celebs. Maybe a bit of character building too.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 02:31 |
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Incredible self-control by Subaru to only attempt to punch Roswaal once.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 02:35 |
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I should probably start watching the anime soon, since it seems like you guys are getting to the point where I forget the exact order in which things happen.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 06:18 |
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I didn't exactly follow what Roswaal did. He "purposely led these events to happen"? What are "these events"? So, more than withholding information, he what, told the witch's cult to attack? Was he also somehow responsible for the white whale attacking, in order to secure the alliance?
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 06:25 |
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Argue posted:I didn't exactly follow what Roswaal did. He "purposely led these events to happen"? What are "these events"? So, more than withholding information, he what, told the witch's cult to attack? Was he also somehow responsible for the white whale attacking, in order to secure the alliance? He knew the cult would attack but was purposefully away on business so Subaru and Emilia would have to deal with it. He's strong enough (supposedly) that he could have crushed Sloth's assault.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 06:32 |
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This should be fairly easy to understand because it's not morally complex. Let's say you absolutely know that an avalanche is imminent and going to crush a village living under the mountain and choose not to warn them of their imminent danger. If they are harmed by the avalanche collapsing on them you should bear some of the responsibility for the tragedy. For not warning the villagers and doing something very small to help them evacuate in time. You may not have caused an avalanche to fall on them. But you chose not to help people you could have easily helped. Roswaal didn't personally send the witches cult to murder the villagers. But he knew and chose to not act on the knowledge and prepare the villagers to deal with the cult in any way. Roswaal's choice to not act in the way to ensure the well being of the villagers reveals something of his moral character. He gets them all killed in like 5/6 worlds.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 06:40 |
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Argue posted:I didn't exactly follow what Roswaal did. He "purposely led these events to happen"? What are "these events"? So, more than withholding information, he what, told the witch's cult to attack? Was he also somehow responsible for the white whale attacking, in order to secure the alliance? If he's savvy enough to guess what would need to be done without his help, he's clever enough to know the most likely options they'd take.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 06:42 |
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The amount of faith Roswaal has in Subaru makes me suspect he might know more than he's letting on. I mean, Subaru was entirely correct that he was a worthless weakling before he went through the events like 5 times, there was no reason for Roswaal to believe his plan would work unless he knew something wasn't quite as it appeared. I'm also not entirely certain that him being there would have done much of anything. Sloth was kind of, you know, really hard to beat. I would almost say impossible, if you didn't know everything about him ahead of time and also couldn't just see his main power. He also had no way of knowing that the whale would show up and make things about 100 times harder. Or that Subaru would be such a monumental fuckup that Emilia would abandon him, for that matter.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 07:13 |
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Yeah the potential implications of him letting it happen are interesting. Straight through his anger Subaru asked the correct questions. Emilia is very important and Subaru a recent player in the field. He came rolling in at the most convenient of moments and is laced with a mystery witch curse and no apparent traits. Why would he (roswaal) entrust his future to this uncertain factor? Clairvoyance? Mind reading? Tons of options here. I'm beginning to think that Crusch's faction may be the closest we have to a legit good guy/gal group. And that's still unlikely as there's plenty unknown. Toalpaz posted:This should be fairly easy to understand because it's not morally complex. I sincerely doubt people had problems grasping at least THAT much.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 07:31 |
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Oh, I'm definitely under the assumption now that he knows about Subaru's ability. Especially considering his family's link to the witches.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 14:44 |
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Argue posted:I didn't exactly follow what Roswaal did. He didn't do anything. That's the beauty of it.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 16:00 |
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Roswaal's actions for an IRL comparison is the famous example of Churchill infamously deciding to let Coventry be bombed by the Germans instead of risking informing them that they had cracked the enigma.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 16:10 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Roswaal's actions for an IRL comparison is the famous example of Churchill infamously deciding to let Coventry be bombed by the Germans instead of risking informing them that they had cracked the enigma. Not really? That comparison would only make sense if he knew due to having spies in the Witch Cult and he didn't want to blow their cover.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 16:35 |
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Not really? That comparison would only make sense if he knew due to having spies in the Witch Cult and he didn't want to blow their cover. More about the idea of letting bad things happen, very bad things, in order for a win later.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 16:53 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Roswaal's actions for an IRL comparison is the famous example of Churchill infamously deciding to let Coventry be bombed by the Germans instead of risking informing them that they had cracked the enigma. You mean a specific thing that didn't actually happen? Interesting analogy considering return by death and all.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 17:34 |
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It's entirely possible that Roswaal knows about return by death. He owns a forbidden library occupied by someone with close personal knowledge of the witch's cult and Subaru gives off a noticeable witch smell. On top of that in the final timeline Subaru acts in a way that suggests he had prior knowledge of events so its not unreasonable that Roswaal, being who he is, might deduce what is going on with this eccentric weirdo who showed up on his doorstep out of the blue. Or he might have been directly involved in summoning Subaru, given that he has done a lot of meticulous pre-planning that started before Subaru even arrived. Kung Food fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You mean a specific thing that didn't actually happen? Interesting analogy considering return by death and all. Anime isn't real either? I don't get your point here. Whether the event happened or not doesn't really have bearing as an analogy for Roswaal's motivations.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 20:08 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Anime isn't real either? I don't get your point here. Whether the event happened or not doesn't really have bearing as an analogy for Roswaal's motivations. You literally called it an "IRL comparison." Very weird to double down on it when someone proves it isn't. Also the analogy was bad regardless. If you wanted to make a dumb WW2 analogy using debunked conspiracy theories you could have at least gone with the classic "FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance." That one is way more directly applicable to the situation we're discussing. Kung Food posted:It's entirely possible that Roswaal knows about return by death. He owns a forbidden library occupied by someone with close personal knowledge of the witch's cult and Subaru gives off a noticeable witch smell. On top of that in the final timeline Subaru acts in a way that suggests he had prior knowledge of events so its not unreasonable that Roswaal, being who he is, might deduce what is going on with this eccentric weirdo who showed up on his doorstep out of the blue. There's a lot we don't know. Unfortunately the protagonist we're tied to doesn't care about any of it except insofar as it relates to helping Emilia or Rem, so no way to know how long we're going to have to wait to get our questions answered. "Hey you probably have a lot of questions for me -" "No sorry I have no questions just need to get back to Emilia, peace I'm out"
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 20:16 |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:You literally called it an "IRL comparison." Very weird to double down on it when someone proves it isn't. Also the analogy was bad regardless. If you wanted to make a dumb WW2 analogy using debunked conspiracy theories you could have at least gone with the classic "FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance." That one is way more directly applicable to the situation we're discussing. There's a pretty big difference between a literal conspiracy theory which had no evidence and something that's so commonly believed in popular culture it even made it into an episode of Star Trek; but again it doesn't really change the point of the post so it's equally strange to me in an anime thread to focus more on whether it happened or not over the value of the analogy; because if I had just slightly reworded my post's substance wouldn't have changed.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 20:23 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Anime isn't real either? I don't get your point here. Whether the event happened or not doesn't really have bearing as an analogy for Roswaal's motivations. If you're drawing an IRL comparison you should make sure the event you're using actually happened. Like if I said that Roswaal blowing up the mabeasts at the end of the mansion arc was like how Perseus and the Athenian triremes rode to the rescue of the Spartans at Thermopylae I'd expect to be endlessly dunked on, or at least corrected on my inaccurate knowledge of history. You posted something historically false and I, being a historian, corrected you while trying to keep the post relevant to discussing this wonderful show. It's not rocket surgery.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 20:53 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If you're drawing an IRL comparison you should make sure the event you're using actually happened. Like if I said that Roswaal blowing up the mabeasts at the end of the mansion arc was like how Perseus and the Athenian triremes rode to the rescue of the Spartans at Thermopylae I'd expect to be endlessly dunked on, or at least corrected on my inaccurate knowledge of history. But this continues to sorta not make sense, who here would actually know about those ancient greek conflicts to result in you being "endlessly" dunked on? Like that's a terrible example and would actually support the idea that it's a reasonable mistake to make. Why is being dunked on something that would be expected instead of making productive use of the conversation that happened? We should be all friends here focusing on good faith constructive discussion, not aiming for openings to "own" people or await hazing rituals. Yes, 'twas wrong about an event I heard in my highschool history class two decades that got reinforced by popular culture oh well! Sadly never came across that wikipedia article before and now I know better. Regardless, I don't see why that should in the end negate the observation made in that post in its entirety is what I'm saying, because if there had been a mythological event that was approximately similar that had came to mind instead I would've used that instead, because my usage of "an irl comparison" was because I thought it was true; not as an assertion in the validity of the analogy. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Aug 7, 2020 |
# ? Aug 7, 2020 21:22 |
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this is such a pedantic argument
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 21:31 |
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 21:45 |
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Lurking Haro posted:
Also Raenir and Vinny knock this off or I'm giving you both a timeout.
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 22:00 |
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the ralp faction is at it again
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 22:03 |
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Did you know this show is #1 this week on Anime Trending?
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 22:13 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Did you know this show is #1 this week on Anime Trending? How many loops did it take for this outcome?
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# ? Aug 7, 2020 22:40 |
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Sazabi posted:How many loops did it take for this outcome? Well, the first time I had t
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Wark Say posted:Uh, I was busy? No problem!
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