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He's extremely good at being a sorcerer, but much too impatient and impulsive about flexing his incredible power to be what you'd expect of a lich. That said, I don't think it's all bad, it's certainly working for him.
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He's very good at being a murderous spellcaster but he's not very good at the "knowing the rules about liches" part. Didn't do a test run, didn't read the manual, decided "gently caress it we'll do it
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Aug 7, 2020 21:28
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He's a bony, impatient gun. His answer to the question "and then what?" will never be anything other than Heightened Maximized Meteor Swarm.
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Aug 7, 2020 21:29
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A.o.D. posted:Another important thing about Xykon is that as powerful as he is, he's TERRIBLE at being a lich. No one is really optimized in the setting however; and Xykon does seem to be somewhat efficacious in his time. Spending the maximum amount of time each day crafting magic items for example. So this isn't really a weakness I think, especially if we're looking at it as/in terms of what his flaw is and what could undo him later..
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Aug 7, 2020 21:31
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Raenir Salazar posted:No one is really optimized in the setting however; Elan is! 
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Aug 7, 2020 21:34
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If we're looking for a flaw of Xykon's that will lead to his downfall I don't see it being anything other than his complete dismissal of other beings. Hell, the MitD is already rebelling and marking off random doors that no one's gone into, it's gonna get a lot worse when it decides to stop him.
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In the words of the then late Mr. Greenhilt, "Xykon is smarter than he looks!".
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W.T. Fits posted:Elan is! True, but it also helps the narrative quite a bit if Elan is able to contribute more to encounters 
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Shugojin posted:If we're looking for a flaw of Xykon's that will lead to his downfall I don't see it being anything other than his complete dismissal of other beings. Hell, the MitD is already rebelling and marking off random doors that no one's gone into, it's gonna get a lot worse when it decides to stop him. He still doesn't seem to plan ahead. When he fixates on a goal or task, he zeroes in with laser focus, but even his insurance with the MitD was a reaction to Xykon having reason to believe that Redcloak would eventually betray him rather than intuiting a future possibility. Naturally, it helps that he has enough firepower to blast almost any conceivable threat into dust, but it's still what I'd say is his biggest flaw.
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My assumption is that Xykon's fatal flaw is that he *is* too on top of things but isn't as good at responding to things that do catch him off guard. If he is aware of something he can handle it but if he's trapped in a situation he has little control over he has to hope that Meteor Swarm solves it or he's flailing. He's not terrible at improvising but almost every time we see him do so it ends up in a fairly bad situation for him.
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i think his fatal flaw is that nobody can control him; he's strong enough that even a control freak like Tarquin has to plan around him. But I mean, nobody can control him, not even himself. he's motivated by petty poo poo, his goals are attempting to fulfill his desires but that's an impossible task, and chasing after his impulses has left him ever more incapable of attaining any sort of actual fulfillment. he literally has lost all capacity to do anything but pursue naked, raw might: power is the ability to attain what one wants, and he will never archive that. he's powerless. meanwhile, the character actually guaranteed a happy ending, the other one who fell outside Tarquin's control, is Elan, who has rejected power and his unrealistic desires. By rejecting the urge to control and the lure of power, he's demonstrated that not power can also be power. i mean its not a helpful observation when it comes to the question of "okay but who can destroy you utterly" or "how does this translate to stopping the insanely strong dickwad", but you know, uh,
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Aug 7, 2020 22:00
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Tiler Kiwi posted:do liches dream of skeletal sheep
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ImpAtom posted:My assumption is that Xykon's fatal flaw is that he *is* too on top of things but isn't as good at responding to things that do catch him off guard. If he is aware of something he can handle it but if he's trapped in a situation he has little control over he has to hope that Meteor Swarm solves it or he's flailing. He's not terrible at improvising but almost every time we see him do so it ends up in a fairly bad situation for him. A good example of that is when Ghost-Matyr Soon almost put an end to Xykon.
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ZearothK posted:In the words of the then late Mr. Greenhilt, "Xykon is smarter than he looks!". That's a low bar to clear, since he looks like a bonehead. And say what you want about his use of lichdom, but he knew how to find a use for that +8 bonus to Listen checks.
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I wouldn't count Xykon out from knowing more about some of the plot twists coming up than we do right now.
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There's still the chekov's gun of him in Start of Darkness ordering the MitD to eat Redcloak if he betrays him.
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Xykon's tragic flaw is that he was too lazy to ever do any research into the plan. Instead, he trusted whatever Redcloak told him. That's going to be his downfall.
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He did task Tsukiko with trying to figure out what exactly Redcloak's part of the ritual entailed. I have a hunch he knows a lot more than he lets on about the actual ritual, as is his MO.
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ultrafilter posted:Xykon's tragic flaw is that he was too lazy to ever do any research into the plan. Instead, he trusted whatever Redcloak told him. That's going to be his downfall. Eh, I never really saw Xykon as lazy. I always thought of him as just allergic to planning. Rather than deliberating, he just rolls with circumstances as they are. Everything from his lichification in SoD to his willingness to use any methods in battle to win, including striking opponents physically or with found weapons (practically unheard of for casters) speaks for his preference to adapt rather than force conformity. He's archetypal Chaotic Evil.
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Cat Mattress posted:That's a low bar to clear, since he looks like a bonehead. That's sort of what I meant - he's just sort of winging lichdom. He's figured out the downsides pretty fast but hasn't appreciated/noticed some of the perks until they actually come up for him.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:He did task Tsukiko with trying to figure out what exactly Redcloak's part of the ritual entailed. I have a hunch he knows a lot more than he lets on about the actual ritual, as is his MO. That's because he's a sorcerer, not a wizard. He's never studied magical theory, so he needed someone else to actually analyze the ritual.
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Xykon always reminded me of Bill's monolog about superman in KB volume 2. He's so in love with power I don"t think he'll be that mad if he doesn't win. When he nearly got merked by Soon he was just kinda wistful. "We really had a shot at the prize for a moment there." Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Aug 8, 2020 |
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Does anyone know *exactly* what Xykon's plans for the gates are? At first he seemed to be doing some kind of research, then shifted to (I think) becoming ruler of the world with the threat of releasing the Snarl.
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Gynovore posted:Does anyone know *exactly* what Xykon's plans for the gates are? At first he seemed to be doing some kind of research, then shifted to (I think) becoming ruler of the world with the threat of releasing the Snarl. He still believes that the ritual directly controls the snarl
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Gynovore posted:Does anyone know *exactly* what Xykon's plans for the gates are? At first he seemed to be doing some kind of research, then shifted to (I think) becoming ruler of the world with the threat of releasing the Snarl. Rub it in everyone's face, if his past behavior is any sort of indication. "Oh hey, all the nations of the stick world, look who has ultimate power. Suck my undead dick." "Oh hey gods, guess who can unmake all of you at a whim. Suck my undead dick."
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Honestly, he'd probably get bored in a month of making the gods fight as gladiators against each other and try to figure out how to ascent to godhood. He's gotta keep chasing the next promise of power to avoid the big fire below.
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One thing I hope happens is that Xykon meets Tarquin at some point. It'd end in Tarquin's swift death, but still.
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I can see Tarquin making his grand re-entrance just as the final battle is about to begin, proclaiming that he’ll at least be the Han to Elan’s Luke to still remain relevant... And Xykon just effortlessly kills him while expressing some minor annoyance at having to waste a spell slot on that. And then the epilogue reveals that without him, his share of the empires collapsed just about overnight without him reigning the empress’s worst excesses, and he’s just a minor historical footnote at best.
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Jeff the Mediocre posted:One thing I hope happens is that Xykon meets Tarquin at some point. It'd end in Tarquin's swift death, but still. I think Tarquin is probably permanently out of the main story. Leaving him as an unfinished sidequest while all the major plot stuff happened around him is probably the worst outcome fro his point of view, and I kind of think that going back to him before a side story/epilogue, if ever, takes a bit of the sting out of his last appearance.
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I loved the technobabble in the Tsukiko confrontation. Also Redcloak pronouncing the fake phylactery to be exact down to the last scratch while comparing glorified MSpaint loops with a circle stamp.
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Capfalcon posted:Honestly, he'd probably get bored in a month of making the gods fight as gladiators against each other and try to figure out how to ascent to godhood. He's gotta keep chasing the next promise of power to avoid the big fire below. Yeah, it's this. The Snarl is, like all the power he's gained so far, just another tool to... not go to Demon Town after he dies.
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A.o.D. posted:Rub it in everyone's face, if his past behavior is any sort of indication. "Oh hey, all the nations of the stick world, look who has ultimate power. Suck my undead dick." "Oh hey gods, guess who can unmake all of you at a whim. Suck my undead dick." "Uh, sir, liches don't have genitals." "......... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
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Aug 8, 2020 17:51
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“-OOOOOOOOOOh wait we can just magick up a replacement.”
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Regalingualius posted:“-OOOOOOOOOOh wait we can just magick up a replacement.” I'm sure this splatbook exists. Please, no one go look for it.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:I'm sure this splatbook exists. Please, no one go look for it. I don't need to, because its fame precedes it. The Book of Erotic Fantasy.
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Hey, Xykon's not one of those disgusting biophiliacs, so enough, take it to the fanfiction sites!
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In this case, the bony dick in question is purely metaphorical.
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A.o.D. posted:In this case, the bony dick in question is purely metaphorical. Unless you create like... A lich centaur or something or from an animal that still has dick bones.
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Liches don't even have brains!
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Acerbatus posted:Liches don't even have brains! 
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