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GT3 is about to have a big crash, unfortunately. you will be shocked to know that the FIA let the homologation spec break down due to manufacturer pressure and money, and now only the latest factory cars with big budgets (that have ballooned into the millions per car) stand a chance stop me if youve heard this before to be fair, i think this the longest a single spec has lasted before the inevitable corruption balloon that i can remember
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:If Kyalami could bump up their FIA grade to 1, it'd be pretty rad for F1. sebring would shake f1 cars to pieces though I agree it would rule edit: the worst goddamn thing about Sebring is NASCAR owns it but doesn't run there
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Jul 22, 2020 03:57
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Cygni posted:GT3 is about to have a big crash, unfortunately. you will be shocked to know that the FIA let the homologation spec break down due to manufacturer pressure and money, and now only the latest factory cars with big budgets (that have ballooned into the millions per car) stand a chance FIA doesn’t own the GT3 spec though, the SRO does. And all of the rumors are that GTE is going away (with factories looking to be encouraged up to prototypes) so some next-gen of GT3 looking to replace it for customers in ACO rules series.
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harperdc posted:FIA doesn’t own the GT3 spec though, the SRO does. And all of the rumors are that GTE is going away (with factories looking to be encouraged up to prototypes) so some next-gen of GT3 looking to replace it for customers in ACO rules series. Im pretty sure the FIA handles the actual homologation process and control for GT3 for like 95% series that use it? I might be wrong. I know IMSA doesnt use the pure GT3 rule book, for example, but i think most people do. The speed creep when you look at the life of GT3 is pretty crazy when you consider this is a class that is supposed to be pegged to an identical lap time. When you look at the huge chunks of time they have taken out of places like Bathurst (yes i know there was a partial repave), its clear that the spec got inflated and out of hand. The fastest race lap at Bathurst during the life of GT3 has chopped 6 fuckin seconds off a 2 minute lap. Yes, tires and such, but cmon. Shits broken. The entire point of the spec was that every car would be perfectly performance balanced forever, but that clearly is no longer the case. Thanks FIA (or SRO or whoever).
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Jul 22, 2020 04:48
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I don't understand, it's crazy popular everywhere and yet somehow dying? Gte I get with at most 8 factory entries in the entire world, but gt3 is popular everywhere?
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Jul 22, 2020 04:59
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GT3 is the new GTE GT4 is the new GT3 And bring back GT1!
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Jul 22, 2020 05:54
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WindyMan posted:And bring back GT1! it still has to have room for a suitcase in the "trunk"
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Jul 22, 2020 06:21
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Imagine GT3 still doing similar laptimes to the current 911 GT3 Cup car
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Jul 22, 2020 06:39
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:Imagine GT3 still doing similar laptimes to the current 911 GT3 Cup car Porsche wishes their GT3 could do that.
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Jul 22, 2020 06:41
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algebra testes posted:Its also part of the business but I never understood why track revitalization was never a thing. Isn't f1 a better series if you spend the money to make say, Imola fit for F1 instead of holding a race in some petro-state? They did that already. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/938436/1/imola-regains-grade-1-licence-take-step-towards-f1-return What does grade one even mean anyway?
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Space Butler posted:They did that already. https://www.crash.net/f1/news/938436/1/imola-regains-grade-1-licence-take-step-towards-f1-return Grade 1 means you were already at the level of safety (and the aforementioned fast sweeping curve to show off aero and a couple straights long enough to allow an F1 car to hit 190mph+ with DRS) required to host F1, but have also paid the requisite amount of cash to F1 to get them to come to your track. It's like an obscene amount of money that you have to fork over to F1 on top of having to potentially seriously redesign your track to accommodate F1 if you're a track seeking new certification as Grade 1. Imola didn't need to redesign the track as they've hosted F1 in the recent past, they just hadn't paid enough money into the F1 moneypool. There's a good rundown of the stuff on a reddit post which basically says there are certain requirements for pit and paddock size, spectator accomodation, race control setup, etc. However, with the right amount of money, all of the above can be ignored. https://www.fia.com/file/75979/download/12827 TW: This is a PDF file so yeah download it if you want, or not, but it's the requirements* for track certification, but as before, money solves many issues with your track not meeting spec. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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algebra testes posted:I don't understand, it's crazy popular everywhere and yet somehow dying? Car counts have been dropping in the pro and pro-am series for the last few years, mostly due to cost creep driven by the BOP issues. They are trying to appease two primary groups with one platform: manufacturers and rich guys, and mixing those groups which often have diametrically opposed desires nearly always ends with one overpowering the other and the formula going tits up. When GT3 started, you could buy a car for ~$300k that was guaranteed (at the time) to be speed balanced to even the biggest factory program. Rich guys happy! But manufacturers sad. So manufacturers start putting pressure on. Now, its easily a million+ for a competitive car, IF the manufacturer even CHOOSES to BLESS you with their car, and many won't even let you actually own the car... a lot of them require you to lease the engine or have mandatory "support packages" which essentially means a guy with the factory takes the ECU after every race so you cant turn the car on. Which means you dont really own the car and have to do what he factory wants, including racing only in series the factory has political interest in and not not actually competing with the factory when they themselves want to show up. Manufacturers happy! But rich guys sad. GT3 is gonna stay popular for a long time (especially with full Am series), but it seems to be on the decline. GT4 and TCR are getting a lot of attention lately for the exact same reasons (and price point) that fueled GT3 early on. Cygni fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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orange juche posted:TW: This is a PDF file so yeah download it if you want, or not, but it's the requirements* for track certification, but as before, money solves many issues with your track not meeting spec. The prime example of this is Monaco, that absolutely doesn't meet modern F1 safety requirements or spectator and pitlane standards, but it's Monaco so they just shove a pile of cash at the FIA and also know full well all the 'traditional' fans who enjoy watching poo poo races at that godforsaken track would lose their poo poo if they ever hinted at dropping it.
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njsykora posted:The prime example of this is Monaco, that absolutely doesn't meet modern F1 safety requirements or spectator and pitlane standards, but it's Monaco so they just shove a pile of cash at the FIA and also know full well all the 'traditional' fans who enjoy watching poo poo races at that godforsaken track would lose their poo poo if they ever hinted at dropping it. Isn't Monaco like the only city streets track on F1? Yeah it's completely nuts how they somehow continue to allow Monaco to be on the schedule. I'm sure they'll never change it because "history". orange juche fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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orange juche posted:Isn't Monaco like the only city streets track on F1? Yeah it's completely nuts how they somehow continue to allow Monaco to be on the schedule. I'm sure they'll never change it because "history". Singapore is also a street circuit, Baku as well, and Sochi at a push. But none are as short or narrow as Monaco. Also outside of Le Mans and Sebring, all of the circuits used by the WEC are currently Grade 1. If Kyalami is added in the future, I’m sure that’ll just be a bank deposit away (Kyalami is owned by Porsche South Africa now if memory serves).
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Jul 23, 2020 01:40
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Technically Albert Park too.
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Jul 23, 2020 10:35
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Aren't there parts of Spa that are technically roads too?
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Cygni posted:GT3 is gonna stay popular for a long time (especially with full Am series), but it seems to be on the decline. GT4 and TCR are getting a lot of attention lately for the exact same reasons (and price point) that fueled GT3 early on. And even then World TCR immediately turned into *nod nod wink wink* we're not a manufacturer team honest. Then said manufacturers pulled out and it turns out that "SLR VW Motorsport" and "Audi Sport Team Leopard" had something to do with manufacturers. So now the series that was turning away entrants a couple of years back to cap the grid at 30 currently has half that many entrants. And 8 of those 15 are still manufacturer entries that could be pulled at any second.
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Spaced God posted:Aren't there parts of Spa that are technically roads too? I *think* the modern circuit cut those bits out.
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Dudley posted:I *think* the modern circuit cut those bits out. Les Combs to Stavelot is "circuit" the rest being former public roads that you used to be able to drive on until like 2003 where they just turned it into a "permanent" circuit and stopped all traffic on.
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Jul 23, 2020 11:42
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Yeah modern Spa is all dedicated race track now, the last bits of public road got diverted around it in I want to say the late 90s? That's the last time I remember the hill down from La Source having road markings on it. *E* Beaten.
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dsriggs posted:Technically Albert Park too. Montreal as well
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can't believe how badly orange juche got loving owned
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Dudley posted:And even then World TCR immediately turned into *nod nod wink wink* we're not a manufacturer team honest. it's almost like performance-balanced series should just use spec cars and not try to constantly balance a bunch of different models BTCC is probably one of the more successful ones and even they had dumb poo poo like those years where a team would win nothing in the first half of the year and get BOPed into the best team on the grid in the second half, which never doesn't feel artificial.
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Counterpoint: BTCC sucks now and has for 20 years
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Proud Christian Mom posted:performance balancing is garbage I too enjoy F1.
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Peanut President posted:can't believe how badly orange juche got loving owned monaco is still a trash fire circuit
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Feels Villeneuve posted:BTCC is probably one of the more successful ones and even they had dumb poo poo like those years where a team would win nothing in the first half of the year and get BOPed into the best team on the grid in the second half, which never doesn't feel artificial. And even that's because underneath a large part of the BTCC cars ARE spec. The older Civic, Corolla, Audi, Infiniti, Hyundai, VWs and the Mercs are all using the exact same engine for instance. And even then they've got success ballast, which is at least better than mad BoP.
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46 cars for GT World Challenge at Imola this weekend, which isnt bad.
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A classic Can Am car flipped at Road America, Merc-at-Lemans style. It was tailing another car as it was cresting the hill, and wooosh. Can barely see it at the end of the first video. Second video has a better view of the flip from the bridge. https://twitter.com/joshbilicki/status/1287190697775423488
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BTCC is back and is still being BTCC. First race analysis: Looks like a Sutton, Turk and Cammish three way title fight. Looks like they've managed to finally build a decent NGTC Ford Focus but is Rory Butcher or Ollie Jackson really good enough to get the most out of it? Andy Neate is also driving one if you squint really hard at the back end of the grid.
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Nobody could have possibly seen this coming... https://twitter.com/FIAWEC/status/1292795570508234752?s=19 It's a shame but totally the right call I think, there was no way to run it safely even with the spectator villages idea.
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jammyozzy posted:Nobody could have possibly seen this coming... man i swear it was only like a couple of weeks ago that radio lemans were talking about travel plans, gotta suck for the people who booked
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The ELMS at spa yesterday was good. That's my review of it
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track day bro! posted:man i swear it was only like a couple of weeks ago that radio lemans were talking about travel plans, gotta suck for the people who booked It was, when the race had announced they were trying to have 5,000 capacity “villages” around the circuit. But even then that hadn’t been rubber-stamped by the French government, and well, we see what happens. Probably the best result, now they can pay out refunds for all those impacted and get on with the race.
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Spaced God posted:The ELMS at spa yesterday was good. That's my review of it I caught the last 90 minutes and yeah!
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Plus 1 to ELMS being dope. Also streaming free on YouTube with RLM commentary is great. For WEC do I need to buy their video package, mute it and stream RLM over the top still?
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algebra testes posted:Plus 1 to ELMS being dope. Also streaming free on YouTube with RLM commentary is great. RLM isn't doing the official comms for WEC but the official team includes Graham Goodwin and Allan McNish, so I'm perfectly happy with that. I don't know what the streaming price is for this last three rounds of the season but it's still a good deal because it'd include Le Mans. The graphics aren't great but livable this year, too.
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Martin Haven, Allan MacNish and GG is a pretty solid commentator crew and I just watch the world feed audio, particularly because Hindy's calls have dropped in quality of late, he often gets cars wrong entirely and seems to operate on a constant 5 second delay even when he's trackside. If the WEC world feed could get some better pit reporters, they'd be golden.
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