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O'Brien knows the settings to make your dick bigger but he doesn't use them because why would you do that for Keiko
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Aug 11, 2020 18:48
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zoux posted:Startide Rising was the book that got me into sci fi. Too bad about the second trilogy though. I think they've invented about eight different methods of time travel.
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Aug 11, 2020 18:55
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they actually invented time cops because time travel is so easy to accidentally do that it happens like once a month per starship, honestly they should have retconned the universe by now just by accidentally flying an oberth into the big bang or something
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Aug 11, 2020 20:09
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Yet they never go back in time to like win the Dominion war or something.
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Aug 11, 2020 22:42
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Master Chief's robot suit doesn't jerk him off, and I wanna know what the point of it even IS then
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Aug 11, 2020 22:51
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Yet they never go back in time to like win the Dominion war or something. Yeah, because the Federation has a Temporal Prime Directive that says you're not allowed to go back in time and change the past. Not that this stops Voyager from violating it at least twice per season.
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Aug 11, 2020 23:00
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Defiance Industries posted:Master Chief's robot suit doesn't jerk him off, and I wanna know what the point of it even IS then No, it does
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W.T. Fits posted:Yeah, because the Federation has a Temporal Prime Directive that says you're not allowed to go back in time and change the past. Goddamnit Jim the Prime Directive isn't a suicide pact!
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Aug 12, 2020 02:49
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I get the impression with DS9's time travel episodes that the Prophets are actually pretty good at arranging time travel stuff with relatively few paradoxes, though not necessarily great. TAS also has Yesteryear where the Guardian of Forever is happily assisting Starfleet with historical expeditions, but accidently retcons Spock out of existence and has to set it right.
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Aug 12, 2020 09:28
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I think they've invented about eight different methods of time travel. The one in The Voyage Home is the best, because it's just "fly real fast near the Sun."
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Aug 14, 2020 20:16
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I'm the main deflector dish on the starship Enterprise NCC1701-D. I can be configured to emit any sort of beam or energy known to science, or for that matter just dreamed up by the incel savants running Engineering Except I can't actually project a shield that can sustain more than three hits from any equivalent-tech weapons. But inverse graviton pulses? All day long, baby!
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Babylon 5 custom printed newspapers. Now you get your echo chamber delivered to you on physical media!
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Aug 14, 2020 21:10
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Nebakenezzer posted:Lol I thought it was good after the first episode with Section 9 doing a pacifist run It was more a joke about the bluntness with which the show occassionally brings up philosophers up Hegel. I also feel like any show like SAC has a real dialectic going in every episode for the characters but thats not intentional in my joke. BiggestOrangeTree posted:Wow, a thread just for my boy Jet Alone. Jet Alone could have killed at least two of the Angels on its own sans any AT field. The main reason it got sabotaged though was because if it worked humanity could have dealt with the reason why the Angels were attacking without putting themselves at risk/letting the background scheme percolate
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Aug 15, 2020 01:45
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Barudak posted:Jet Alone could have killed at least two of the Angels on its own sans any AT field. The main reason it got sabotaged though was because if it worked humanity could have dealt with the reason why the Angels were attacking without putting themselves at risk/letting the background scheme percolate Bolded the big one. JA threatened to draw off funding from the apocalyptic death cult.
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Aug 15, 2020 02:17
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Y'all ain't wrong, but as a nonliving being Jet Alone couldn't have done poo poo against an AT field.
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Aug 15, 2020 02:56
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Uhh since Jet Alone is Alone it obviously has a powerful AT field, the barrier which divides our hearts. You don't think Jet Alone would be tempted by instrumentality, do you??
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Aug 15, 2020 03:34
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Some Goon posted:Y'all ain't wrong, but as a nonliving being Jet Alone couldn't have done poo poo against an AT field. I do not think Jet Alone could have won under the conditions of the death cult wanted to play the game, but given they do kill some angels sans any discussion of AT fields or via "convential" weaponry rather than barrier contact its possible they could have made it work. What Im saying is the entire rebuild series should be dumpstered and we get an alternate timeline series where Jet Alone works and steals the funding.
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Aug 15, 2020 03:40
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Barudak posted:
I don't think Jet Alone is mobile or versatile enough to even have taken down the angels that were defeated purely by weapon fire. Its only confirmed ability is lumbering forward. Now if, IF, Jet Alone was presented as a half-way plausible alternative that would have added a lot of depth. Not having an AT field means any angel would just melt JA if it gets too close or even manages to present a threat.
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Aug 15, 2020 05:58
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Some Goon posted:Y'all ain't wrong, but as a nonliving being Jet Alone couldn't have done poo poo against an AT field. I mean, sure, if you're going to take the death cult that uses child soldiers at their word  Okay, okay, jokes aside: yes, there's some massive hubris going on with the JA team. That said, I can't help but feel like letting JA get crumped by an Angel and then following up by defeating the Angel with Evas would be an even more effective way to show that JA isn't the way forward, and yet they still resorted to sabotage.
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Aug 15, 2020 08:09
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I mean, sure, if you're going to take the death cult that uses child soldiers at their word No such thing as subtlety when you want to send a message, you don't want to give it even a chance of potential success when you want to push your alternative
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Aug 15, 2020 08:13
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I don't think they can predict Angel attacks that accurately, and even if they could the whole point would be to demo this thing in a non emergency time period. As lumbering and stupid as it is, it could concievably have wrecked one of the upcoming angels which has the distinction of being the only one taken down by the standard gun Evas are equipped with. Also this episode occurs before the thing the death cult needs is transferred to them, its possible if they lose funding they don't get that item. Hell maybe it gets destroyed instead since humans think they don't need it anymore and as an attempt to stop the angels. Something else to keep in mind is the people in charge of Jet Alone also make a claim an artificial AT field is in the works. How true that is is never seen, but again, if you want your death cult ending to happen you surely don't want money spent on successfully building a counter to your endgame.
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I mean they weren't totally wrong about an artificial AT field countermeasure, maybe the Jets Alone could have been armed with Lance of Longinus knockoffs.
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General Battuta posted:Jets Alone Jet Together, surely? But yes, by the end of the series they have extremely potent artificial AT piercing weaponry, but the question would be (since its not super clear) when those were completed and if they could have survived whatever assaults until those were ready. It'd obviously be extremely different but it'd be an interesting what-if where humans decide to go with Jet Alone and finish off Adam only to discover Angels keep going for the Tokyo 3 base as they scramble to make Jet Alone fully functional while dealing with the competing Evas and whatever the back-up plot would be by the Zoom Meeting of Doom
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Aug 15, 2020 17:59
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Barudak posted:Zoom Meeting of Doom
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Theoretically all but two maybe three of the angels could have been killed with nukes. It's shown that a single nuke (or equivalent) are strong enough break the AT fields of most and render it disabled and near dead for hours or days at a time. You really just have to be willing to keep dropping nukes after the first until theres nothing left. Sure you might wipe out humanity from the nuclear fallout thus defeating the purpose, but at least you can give a middle finger to the doomsday conspiracy and their magic robots with good ol' nuclear power, the working mans doomsday.
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Excuse me they’re N2 mines which clearly stands for Non Nuclear
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Yeah, N2 mines are explicitly no fallout, and how they work is never said in show, so just insert your own personal biblical nonsense technobable here. On the note of stupid tech in Evangelion, the tiny dingy they put in the blood sea in central dogma. NERV has the budget for a graveyard of failed mechas, a geofront base, a city inhabited entirely by expensible specialists to make it work 24/7 and they gotta use a repurposed fishing boat to go inspect the god they keep locked up in their basement. The thing has one cheap rope mooring it, what the hell, this is where you cut costs? General Battuta posted:Zound Only This made me laugh all day.
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Barudak posted:
I think they liked the ferryman aesthetic.
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General Battuta posted:Excuse me they’re N2 mines which clearly stands for Non Nuclear They state that they only have a few dozen in the world. It gets brought up because in the episode with the shadow angel they bring up my "use more than one bomb" strategy in desperation and plan to launch the whole worlds supply to take it out. Which of course would be bad because they're the only thing they have that can delay the Angels long enough for the pilots to learn dance choreography and they'll have used them all to kill just one. Hence why in our hypothetical non-eva scenario you'd have to resort to using good old fashioned nukes pretty quickly. And to bring this topic full circle the Jet Alone is essentially a nuke on legs, so you can still have you're giant robots in our nuke'em scenario.
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Tulip posted:I think they liked the ferryman aesthetic. All doomsday cults are psychopomps at heart.
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galagazombie posted:They state that they only have a few dozen in the world. It gets brought up because in the episode with the shadow angel they bring up my "use more than one bomb" strategy in desperation and plan to launch the whole worlds supply to take it out. Which of course would be bad because they're the only thing they have that can delay the Angels long enough for the pilots to learn dance choreography and they'll have used them all to kill just one. Hence why in our hypothetical non-eva scenario you'd have to resort to using good old fashioned nukes pretty quickly. And to bring this topic full circle the Jet Alone is essentially a nuke on legs, so you can still have you're giant robots in our nuke'em scenario. "Should we let America nuke Godzilla" is a good part of the very good Shin Godzilla.
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Barudak posted:Yeah, N2 mines are explicitly no fallout, and how they work is never said in show, so just insert your own personal biblical nonsense technobable here. When you have the Progenitor of humanity's corpse literally crucified at the bottom of a super science base think you've got to set the mood.
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galagazombie posted:Theoretically all but two maybe three of the angels could have been killed with nukes. It's shown that a single nuke (or equivalent) are strong enough break the AT fields of most and render it disabled and near dead for hours or days at a time. You really just have to be willing to keep dropping nukes after the first until theres nothing left. Sure you might wipe out humanity from the nuclear fallout thus defeating the purpose, but at least you can give a middle finger to the doomsday conspiracy and their magic robots with good ol' nuclear power, the working mans doomsday. Eh, we exploded a shitload of bombs in the 50s and 60s. Cancer rate might go up. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if part of the Evangelion timeline included nuclear disarmament at some point.
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They used N2 bombs in the war before the series, I thought. So it seemed less nuclear disarmament and more people felt comfy using the hell out of N2 bombs since no radiation so stockpiles naturally transitioned. Or Im making this up because only so much data fits on my walkman cassette Im using to listen to my class notes on.
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This is actually an issue in lots of post-apocalyptic settings, Eva included. What happens with all the nukes lying around. Sure you've got the nuclear war ones like Fallout where they were presumably all used to cause the aforementioned apocalypse, but what about all the ones caused by viruses, meteors, zombies, etc? That's a poo poo ton of nukes lying around with everyone supposed to be guarding them dead.
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Hopefully they’ll be completely unusable. But given the USAF’s history with nuclear security the codes will probably all be set to a string of zeroes.
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General Battuta posted:Hopefully they’ll be completely unusable. But given the USAF’s history with nuclear security the codes will probably all be set to a string of zeroes. Let's not forget the ones in places like Pakistan or North Korea. I can imagine some Immortan Joe type bandit leader unearthing one, not even because he plans to use it, just because having a nuclear warhead on display in front of his Thunderdome would be a big prestige boon in front of the other warlords.
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