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5.3 also makes Praetorium, and specifically Gaius' college freshman atheist rant, hilarious. Calling the Twelve just another bunch of primals, Gaius? You're talking to Azemya. Or at least a fragment of the woman whom the myths of Azemya/Azim are based on.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 22:43 |
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If I make one prediction for 6.0 it will be that Fandaniel tries to turn on Zenos and gives him a 'you were just a pawn in my grand scheme' speech and Zenos just goes haha no and effortlessly bodies him
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 22:47 |
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Do we know enough about the writing structure of the FFXIV expansion cycle to say Ishikawa would even be on the next one? My assumption is: they laid the scene out for this expac back in HW, so she was a part of that process and maybe was even planning the broad strokes of the story then and during Stormblood. If that was the case (and it very well might not be, I am talking completely out of my rear end), it would make sense for another writer to take the lead on the next expansion because they were doing their own work during Shadowbringers.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 22:52 |
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Also I love that scene with Zenos and Fandaniel because Fandaniel is just loving hamming it up for an audience of no one, clearly loving this poo poo just for its own sake, and Zenos is completely loving stonefaced the entire time. Just does not give one single poo poo about any of it.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 22:54 |
What interests me about the Zenos/fandaniel dynamic is that Fandaniel very clearly does not know what he’s loving with by being in Zenos’ proximity, and he’s seemingly got a whole song and dance routine he relies on that’s just falling loving flat in this instance, because zenos doesn’t give a poo poo about anything he can offer aside from facilitating his 1v1s.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:13 |
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drat daniel will be dead by level 85.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:19 |
Vitamean posted:drat daniel will be dead by level 85. I mean, assuming Zenos doesn’t murk him by 5.5
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:21 |
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I mean, assuming Zenos doesn’t murk him by 5.5 still counts
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:27 |
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I like a lot of the themes present in Zenos' character even if the writing fell a bit flat in Stormblood, but I think the fact that he starts respecting you rather than starting not giving a poo poo about you will help a lot. Plus, if anyone can make Zenos a good villain, it's Ishikawa.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:29 |
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I enjoy hammy Zenos from the end of 4.0 onward. He felt a bit back to being boring Zenos in that last scene, but I imagine that's since he's bored out of his mind without the WoL around and having to put up with Danny. I liked him being a wild card, assassinating Emperor Dad for being a distraction to the WoL and then loving off leaving the empire in a civil war because he doesn't give a poo poo about ruling. Little worried that he's apparently now taken over, but I'm willing to see where this is going. Hopefully he'll be back to chewing scenery soon.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:34 |
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Waffleman_ posted:We are absolutely going on a sundered Ascian murder spree in 6.0 lol It sounded like this happened in 5.3 as well, completely offscreen
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:41 |
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the story of ffxiv has had the consistent theme of "violence is often necessary but always hosed up" whereas the gameplay has been "violence loving RULES" and the inherent tension there is a story hook that Zenos tries (inexpertly) to say something about. I liked that, even if it was executed kind of poorly, and would love to see it done again but better
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:52 |
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:It sounded like this happened in 5.3 as well, completely offscreen I think there's a difference between the sundered red masks, who are members of the convocation who have been manually unsundered by gathering up the their souls from the various worlds, and the black masked ascians who are just cannon fodder at this point I honestly expect defeating a sundered red mask to be the kind of thing that has little enough fanfare they could do it in a dungeon instead of a trial black masks are the mobs leading up to the boss in that dungeon
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:53 |
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Waffleman_ posted:We dunno if she's gonna be on 6.0 though but probably yeah considering how well ShB was recieved.
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# ? Aug 15, 2020 23:54 |
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my understanding is that concepting and outlining is a team process but someone has to actually commit the words to paper (and then rewriting and editing is again a team process). Ishikawa handled the Coerthas sections of ARR, some things in HW I forget what, the Doma sections of Stormblood, and the entire MSQ for Shadowbringers
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 00:03 |
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Does that include patch content
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 00:19 |
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I believe she said she was only in charge of one of the patches and I think this was it.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 00:31 |
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cheetah7071 posted:at this point I honestly expect defeating a sundered red mask to be the kind of thing that has little enough fanfare they could do it in a dungeon instead of a trial Igeyorhm means it has been for a long time, but I think most remaining convocation members will get a bit more characterization than she had.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 03:15 |
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Oh yeah they did that weird Ascian merging stuff, has that ever come up again
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 03:50 |
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I mean it's basically what Hades does in his fight, only he's not a total loser so it's a million times more impressive looking.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 04:08 |
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Arist posted:Also I love that scene with Zenos and Fandaniel because Fandaniel is just loving hamming it up for an audience of no one, clearly loving this poo poo just for its own sake, and Zenos is completely loving stonefaced the entire time. Just does not give one single poo poo about any of it. We've never seen Zenos have to play the straight man before, and I kinda love it because he clearly just hates it. It's not even like when Varis had to deal with Emet, because Varis was just kinda jaded to it all, Zenos is clearly actively loathing every second he has to spend with this idiot. It turns out Zenos is more fun as the straight man, and that's great! And while I'm sure a conga line of fishing out the remaining Ascians would be fun, because I now trust them to make the Ascians interesting, the part I'd most look forward to there is however they'd handle the reveal of 'wait, Emmerololth already died?' They're the only one that died with no living witnesses, and that death reveal itself is practically errata, so I kinda just want to see the moment of collective surprise when people find out that people who aren't Warriors of Light pulled that off, even at great sacrifice.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 04:37 |
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Emmerololth was the one who got merced by Galuf and co at Baldesion right? I'm still on Pyros.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 05:20 |
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yes. Mitron, Emmerololth, Loghrif: died by NPCs Lahabrea, Emet-Selch, Igeyorhm, Nabriales, Elidibus: die in main story Pashtarot, Fandaniel, Halmarut, Deudalaphon: Remaining Altima: ????? probably remaining but might have some poo poo to do with Ivalice?
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 05:24 |
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Imagining the Days of Future Past cover but with pictures of the Ascians Also don't forget Travanchet lol
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 05:29 |
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I am sorry, his name is friggin "FANDANIEL", just like how I can't help but tear up when thinking about a bunch of moments in 5.3, I can't help but giggle every time I read that name
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 05:34 |
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Fandaniel Radcliffe
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 05:52 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Imagining the Days of Future Past cover but with pictures of the Ascians Well, given the titles have been gradually more relevant- Pashtarot, the Knight-Star Fandaniel, the Protector Halmarut, the Arbiter Deudalaphon, the Benevolent One of those last two? Possibly his 'job' in the convocation is essentially what we've seen him do; find methods of supplying summoners with the required crystals.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 06:05 |
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The old Mining Internally video was all an Ascian plot to recruit Warriors of Light from other timelines that were tired of listening to Minfillia in an attempt to build an ever growing supply of crystals for Zodiark.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 06:20 |
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Ibblebibble posted:Emmerololth was the one who got merced by Galuf and co at Baldesion right? I'm still on Pyros. Yes. And this fact is only confirmed by an entirely optional textbox found by reading a discarded book at the end of the Eureka storyline. In-story, the only person outside of you that might know among the Scions is Krile, and even that's not clear.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 08:20 |
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Again, Zenos is just the inevitable consequence of the Ascians' mission once it loses its guiding ideology. We need a simple monster as payoff for the complex, nuanced, and human villains' terrible, futile ambitions. He's their new Amaurot as it really exists, and now everyone has to live with that.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 11:12 |
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Mitron and Loghrif's fates are only in the Encyclopedia Eorzea as well, so no one knows as of yet.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 13:39 |
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So, I'm on board with the idea that Maker's Ruin is the WoL's theme rather than Ultima's, and that leads to an interesting question - what's the song title referencing? Does it mean that we're what will destroy the maker, and if so, exactly which entity is the maker? The Asians? Crystal Mom? The Twelve? Or to be a little more abstract, is it "ruin" as in remains? Maybe as far back as 2.0 they were dropping hints that the WoL was what remained of the Ancients... Though to be fair, almost all of these (excerpt referring to Hydalyn) would work better if the title was Makers' Ruin
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 13:48 |
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Sentient Data posted:So, I'm on board with the idea that Maker's Ruin is the WoL's theme rather than Ultima's, and that leads to an interesting question - what's the song title referencing? My first guess is Zodiark. He's the one who made the world as it is today, and we are the one bringing ruin to his works.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 14:00 |
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Arist posted:Also I love that scene with Zenos and Fandaniel because Fandaniel is just loving hamming it up for an audience of no one, clearly loving this poo poo just for its own sake, and Zenos is completely loving stonefaced the entire time. Just does not give one single poo poo about any of it. I was waiting for Zenos to snap and murder him, so yeah I'm on team 'he's going to get sick of this poo poo.' I really really hope Zenos isn't actually the primary villain of 6.0 though, since we already played that expansion. That said, we presumably still have to deal with the Empire once and for all at some point, and he's just about the only character left we know (aside from Gaius), so maybe it's inevitable.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 14:12 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Mitron and Loghrif's fates are only in the Encyclopedia Eorzea as well, so no one knows as of yet. Is there more to it than "Ardbert & crew killed them?" Pretty sure WoL knows that, at least.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 14:19 |
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Was it said in the game?
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 14:26 |
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I think it came up in the all-roles capstone quest, but I don't recall exactly.
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 15:03 |
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Sentient Data posted:So, I'm on board with the idea that Maker's Ruin is the WoL's theme rather than Ultima's, and that leads to an interesting question - what's the song title referencing? WoL is notorious for wilding out on some bourbon
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 16:05 |
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everyone is so sick of villains with understandable motivations and tragic backstories. "please" theyre crying out, "just let me bunch a dude in a nazi uniform!!!"
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# ? Aug 16, 2020 16:10 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 02:01 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Mitron and Loghrif's fates are only in the Encyclopedia Eorzea as well, so no one knows as of yet. I thought this was one of the lore drops Emet will give to you when he's just standing around mid-MSQ in 5.0?
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