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homeless snail posted:Can't wait until Lahabrea comes back in 7.0 Lahabrea will continue to only communicate in unskippable voiced cutscenes.
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homeless snail posted:Yeah, Elidibus isn't a leader any more than Levi is the leader of the Sahagin. They summoned him for a purpose, he has enough of a will that he got a big head about it, but the other Ascians we see don't ever seem to ever put him in high regard. There is like a total of one or two cutscenes where anyone listens to what he has to say, and those were years ago The first time we meet Emet he speaks highly of Elidibus' abilities. It's the entire reason he came out of retirement.
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His abilities sure, they made him to be able
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https://twitter.com/allaganeyes/status/1295488875586940928?s=20
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Someone post the gif of Emet-Selch giving the side-eye for me, I can't find it.
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Aug 18, 2020 01:28
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I don’t understand what that is supposed to mean
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thetoughestbean posted:I don’t understand what that is supposed to mean It means Fandaniel's gonna kick our loving rear end
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Aug 18, 2020 01:57
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fandaniel will be dead by level 87, calling my shot
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Aug 18, 2020 01:58
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The whole thing about Fandaniel being obsessed with gold does add to that, I think. Personally I hope it means that 6.0 will be a commentary on the limitations of individual heroism in the face of capital accumulation
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Aug 18, 2020 01:59
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They might as well end the game there then because god knows if we could survive the blow of being beaten by a dude named Fandaniel in the crappiest body imaginable after we bodied both the last and strongest Ascian and their goddamn primal.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The whole thing about Fandaniel being obsessed with gold does add to that, I think. How else do you think he can afford those white Vans?
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ImpAtom posted:They might as well end the game there then because god knows if we could survive the blow of being beaten by a dude named Fandaniel in the crappiest body imaginable after we bodied both the last and strongest Ascian and their goddamn primal there's no recovering.
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Aug 18, 2020 02:04
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The closest anyone has legitimately come to killing the WoL was a waiter
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Aug 18, 2020 02:10
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It could be a reference to the past. Maybe the Azem of Emet's days got eaten by Fandaniel before the sundering, and the gold dripped down into the lifestream to create your Ardberts and your kitty-wizards and ghost-costume-lalafellers.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The closest anyone has legitimately come to killing the WoL was a waiter I mean Emet-Selch came pretty drat close until we got an Ardbert-shaped powerup.
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I hardly think Fandaniel will take down the WoL but given that this is the last expansion of the current storyline and he has a Zenos, he is sure as heck not going to make it easy for us.
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Aug 18, 2020 03:22
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Fandaniel: Cerberus Mk II
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Aug 18, 2020 04:15
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I repeat. Griever.
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YES bread posted:I can't imagine this at all actually. it just makes the ancients sound like complete idiots and its a wonder their entire civilization didn't collapse on its own before a weird noise made them scream ghosts into reality It’s a variation on the philosopher-king idea. Utterly daft in real life, but Amaurot is explicitly Utopian, and “child raised to be the perfect judge” is bang alongside that.
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Aug 18, 2020 07:35
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In a society that has literally never had a single major disagreement ever, there is zero downside to a young child learning on the job.
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I still don't buy ANY of that about Amaurot being a utopia, but we're in a weird 'either way it works' situation on Elidibus possibly being a child. Either they are a utopia, in which case it's safe to trust a child there and their judgement is infallible... or they aren't a utopia, and are in fact a civilization so lovely or in such a bad position that they'd put a child in that role, which... also checks out, Lahabrea and Emet had to learn how to be terrible people from somewhere.
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Cleretic posted:I still don't buy ANY of that about Amaurot being a utopia, but we're in a weird 'either way it works' situation on Elidibus possibly being a child. Either they are a utopia, in which case it's safe to trust a child there and their judgement is infallible... or they aren't a utopia, and are in fact a civilization so lovely or in such a bad position that they'd put a child in that role, which... also checks out, Lahabrea and Emet had to learn how to be terrible people from somewhere. They're referring to the actual book, Utopia. A good number of names in Amaurot come directly from it. Hell, Amaurot is the capital of Utopia.
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the most important thing about Amaurot is there's a sidequest where a dude gives us poo poo about our terrible glamours
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Aug 18, 2020 10:51
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Cleretic posted:I still don't buy ANY of that about Amaurot being a utopia, but we're in a weird 'either way it works' situation on Elidibus possibly being a child. Either they are a utopia, in which case it's safe to trust a child there and their judgement is infallible... or they aren't a utopia, and are in fact a civilization so lovely or in such a bad position that they'd put a child in that role, which... also checks out, Lahabrea and Emet had to learn how to be terrible people from somewhere. More's Utopia is about how such a place is completely impossible and that's exactly what our Amaurot represents. Hythlodaeus' name literally means "Speaks Nonsense," the River Anyder comes from anhydros meaning River of No Water, etc. It wasn't perfect because no perfect society can exist.  Also sacrificing a child in a The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas-esque manner to bring about a dark god sorta hammers that home, too. Azem abandoning their post makes a lot more sense now since seeing twelve other people vote for that would make any person want to get the gently caress outta Dodge.
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I find it funny how many people think a young eli is impossible because they confuse powerful beings with wise beings
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Sentient Data posted:I find it funny how many people think a young eli is impossible because they confuse powerful beings with wise beings Ascian Alphinaud works for me. I also maintain my theory that 'Emissary' seems to have been a role of spiritual leadership in Amaurot, and that also makes a fair amount of sense to be abnormally young if Eli was perceived as unusually gifted or blessed.
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do people think that? personally I just started feeling like it was just a shortcut to make Elidibus way more sympathetic in a hurry. his whole thing felt kinda half-baked but maybe it was only in comparison to the rest of SHB
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YES bread posted:do people think that? personally I just started feeling like it was just a shortcut to make Elidibus way more sympathetic in a hurry. his whole thing felt kinda half-baked but maybe it was only in comparison to the rest of SHB Oh, it absolutely is, albeit one done fairly well. 5.3's use of Elidibus is honestly a really efficient use of time for character exploration; there's like, three or four scenes total where we learn anything about him, but those scenes do some goddamn WORK. Although personally, I still like him more as a villain than as a character. He was a really interesting, if brief, full-focus antagonist, and honestly I think there was more potential in the whole concept of fighting somebody who both has weaponized heroism, and basically IS weaponized heroism. We could've kept him for a couple more patches and I wouldn't have been mad. ...actually, thinking about it, he feels like a much better Vauthry followup than Emet did. My big problem with Emet and Amaurot as we got it was that it felt like they grafted the climax of a different story onto the expansion after Vauthry's death, but Elidibus actually does ride the themes and concepts of 70-79 Shadowbringers to an interesting conclusion, while Emet just sorta... told them to take a time-out while he retold Dream Zanarkand.
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Everything in 5.3 jibes pretty well with what we saw of Elid. He was naive, tried to strike deals with heroes and people who believed themselves to be heroes (Urianger, us, Thordan, the WoDs), was nearly single-minded in his actions, made attempts at reconciliation and he truly and honestly thought he was the hero. Elidibus also rescued Unukalhai from his fate on the 13th, which we now know is a direct parallel to his own life's circumstances. He wasn't a particularly deep character but there were seeds of this form of him as early as Heavensward at least.
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I think that's probably it, just that the shallowness felt disappointing after mainline SHB. they did okay with what was there though and I think the stuff with G'raha and the minor Emet bits did a good job picking up the slack. everything post-trial was really fun
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I think the biggest stand out to me with Kidibus, is when my friend and I were going through the Solo duty, it just came across as... super childish? Like Elidibus is making us cut down the Scions and such and acting really... simple in his morality. To the point where it just came across as a child's understanding of good and bad.
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A thought that occurred to me when talking about 5.0 to 5.3 stuff with a friend: I was thinking that Emet's line about his world having no need for heroes during the pre-trial cutscene feels like it could now be a hint of remorse at what happened with Elidibus, since he declares himself as 'mankind's first hero', but it could also just be coincidence.
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Cleretic posted:Lahabrea and Emet had to learn how to be terrible people from somewhere. They learned it from watching you.
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reminder that a mod had to beg Cleretic to stop talking about Emet-Selch in the main thread lmao
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What I want is for Feo Ul to get really loving bored with being King and just constantly loving off to the Source to follow the WoL around making commentary filling in for Midgardsormr but jealous and Scottish
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Its Rinaldo posted:What I want is for Feo Ul to get really loving bored with being King and just constantly loving off to the Source to follow the WoL around making commentary filling in for Midgardsormr but jealous and Scottish 
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Aug 18, 2020 20:33
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While we fight Zenos, Feo Ul will beat Fandaniel to death
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So if elidibus was the role of 'young king'/moderator of the council, then I wonder if there was an age limit where when an elidibus gets too old they retire from their position and become a bureaucrat or debater or something and a new one is appointed. This relies on the whole 'elidibus is a position for a young prodigy' theory being right however. As an aside, I kinda get frustrated a bit when it seems like people forget that the council of 14 names are also government positions with many predecessors using that name.
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