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Midgetskydiver posted:Lack of access to healthcare kills 40,000+ people every year in the US. You're cheering the guy who will protect you but leave tens of thousands of people to die. Who is cheering? We're all resigned to voting for the least bad option here.
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Pretty sure the actual election is going to be much more widely affected by things like mail availability and more traditional forms of rigging than a bunch of people posting on a dead forum. It's too bad the only way to engage with politics is by voting.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:25
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whos that broooown posted:Who is cheering? you can vote for Howie Hawkins, the best option with the best policy
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Matt Zerella posted:I don't trust a guy who's consistently been trying to cut medicare/medicaid for years to expand it. Cmon now. Not trusting the democrats is a different argument, and one I totally agree with, cause running to the left and governing to the right seems to be their only move. But they've put out a thing that says "this is what we want to do" it's not bad at all. If that's what they want to do, and they say it is, then some actual honestly good things could happen.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:hi buddy do you remember when you said Obama didn't do anything about voting rights and I asked you this question defunding acorn was very stupid. what i meant was that expanding voting rights wasn't on the table, and after the blowout win that the democrats had, you can see why that was. it should have been, but voter suppression as a major issue really came to the fore after the 2010 gerrymanders and shelby county v. holder. at no point have i ever said that obama's vice president wouldn't do a bad thing. Matt Zerella posted:It absolutely is not. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587 this isn't a commitment by any means but it's a lot more aggressive than anything we heard in 2009
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whos that broooown posted:Who is cheering? The poster I'm responding to, which is not you. And we are definitely not "all" resigned to do anything.
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I'm voting for Joe Biden because he sits in a chair like a normal guy, not like he is on a toilet
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goethe.cx posted:
Dude they're bringing back Pay-Go rules, there's no way they're gonna do that.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:32
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Matt Zerella posted:This will not pass Congress. It means absolutely nothing. Nothing means nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWrlAmT4jyA
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Dude they're bringing back Pay-Go rules, there's no way they're gonna do that. they've been doing that since the midterms
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goethe.cx posted:they've been doing that since the midterms Yes that's my point. They're not interested as a party in ruling, it's why when they get the reins they immediately put on all the limiters to power that the republicans take off to do their political work. They aren't going get rid of the filibuster for the same reason. EDIT: Like yes you're technically correct I should have said "Brought back" instead of "Bringing back". That doesn't address my point at all.
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Oxyclean posted:I thought Biden was very uninterested in anything approaching UHC/M4A. Biden's definitively not for Singlepayer which is the most ideal reform for healthcare.
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goethe.cx posted:I’m sure he would. Do you think he stands a meaningful chance of winning the election? He's electable if you vote for him!
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Aug 18, 2020 05:40
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Reality Protester posted:you can vote for Howie Hawkins, the best option with the best policy Yeah, I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm not happy about the current situation, either. A vote for Howie Hawkins is a vote for Trump here whether you care to admit it or not.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:41
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whos that broooown posted:Yeah, I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm not happy about the current situation, either. A vote for Howie Hawkins is a vote for Trump here whether you care to admit it or not. So if 40% of the state votes for Biden and 50% of the state votes for Hawkins, Trump gets the EVs? That's a really hosed up way to assign them, you should vote for state reps that would fix it.
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whos that broooown posted:Yeah, I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm not happy about the current situation, either. A vote for Howie Hawkins is a vote for Trump here whether you care to admit it or not. It's also a vote for biden with that logic though?
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Doctor Teeth posted:He's electable if you vote for him! come on, man. so is bernie sanders if you write him in. the green party has never held any kind of major office. a critical mass of voters will never be persuaded between now and november to vote third party.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:43
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We're doing this here too, huh. There's a reason this endless argument has its own thread.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:44
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whos that broooown posted:Yeah, I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm not happy about the current situation, either. A vote for Howie Hawkins is a vote for Trump here whether you care to admit it or not. No. Voting for a 3rd party is a vote for _______ doesn't make sense at all. It's a completely internally inconsistent position.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:46
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goethe.cx posted:come on, man. so is bernie sanders if you write him in. the green party has never held any kind of major office. a critical mass of voters will never be persuaded between now and november to vote third party. You ever going to reply to my actual point about the filibuster re: The DNC's decisions to constantly choose to restrain themselves with procedure their opponents largely ignore?
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I don't think anyone planning to vote for Hawkins, including myself, is delusional enough to think the Greens will win. But if it feels like I'm throwing my vote away regardless, I'd rather give it to someone who actually wants like one or two of the same things I do.
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Reality Protester posted:you can vote for Howie Hawkins, the best option with the best policy Does Hawkins want to destroy privatized education and all of those who have benefited from it?
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Eminai posted:So if 40% of the state votes for Biden and 50% of the state votes for Hawkins, Trump gets the EVs? I have, rear end in a top hat. I've also donated multiple times to brand new congress and justice dems. Keep it up with the crab bucket mentality though. I'm sure it will serve you well.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:46
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Midgetskydiver posted:No. It isn't in any way lol
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Aug 18, 2020 05:48
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Nonsense posted:He appears to be within 5 points of his Democratic primary opponent, so it's possible for him, but hard to say. isn't this destruction of evidence?
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Aug 18, 2020 05:48
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karthun posted:Does Hawkins want to destroy privatized education and all of those who have benefited from it? You want PSL / LaRiva for that. Not diet Bernie who can't file paperwork on time .
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Aug 18, 2020 05:49
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's also a vote for biden with that logic though? I guess in a "but have you considered you're also make of carbon?" kind of way.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:50
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You ever going to reply to my actual point about the filibuster re: The DNC's decisions to constantly choose to restrain themselves with procedure their opponents largely ignore? Paygo is stupid. What other decisions has the DNC made that restrain themselves with procedure that republicans ignore? I ask this honestly, what other examples are there?
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Midgetskydiver posted:No. Expain then
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AsInHowe posted:I'm voting for Joe Biden because he sits in a chair like a normal guy, not like he is on a toilet HI LIZZY!
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theflyingorc posted:It isn't in any way lol Not that any of this matters because whatever election will be (probably rightfully) considered fraudulent, but would you say people who aren't voting are also voting for Ramp? If so, that would mean 2/3 of Americans want him in then right?
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Aug 18, 2020 05:52
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https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gary-johnson-swindle/ Reminder that the Libertarian Party is designed to suck up votes from potential Democrat voters to benefit the Republicans, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Green Party was the same. *insert Stein/Putin photo here*
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Aug 18, 2020 05:53
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lol at throwing your vote away for the anti-vax loving green party. gently caress your poo poo so called ethics
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Matt Zerella posted:You want PSL / LaRiva for that. Not diet Bernie who can't file paperwork on time . LaRiva went to a privatized college and should be disqualified from any public position. Death to all of those who demand the privatization of fundamental governmental services.
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SoggyBobcat posted:https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gary-johnson-swindle/ If the Democrats felt like throwing the left literally anything at all, legal weed, less money for cops/war, like anything, they could have Green votes easy. If it's a grift to sway leftists it's one that'd be really, really easy to counter.
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Aug 18, 2020 05:57
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Mods should never tell anyone that they are going to bed and no longer potentially monitoring the thread not with this hopeless collection of bad posters (myself included)
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Aug 18, 2020 06:00
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whos that broooown posted:lol at throwing your vote away for the anti-vax loving green party. A couple people's vote don't matter that much. Especially given the current averages. Chill.
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Rockit posted:A couple people's vote don't matter that much. Especially given the current averages. Chill. Hard pass
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Sooo... Who's going to get blamed this time if Biden fails to convince anyone to vote for him?
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