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Darko posted:He would have come up with some dumb excuse to kill her anyway because Stu was mad she dumped him, and it was a killing purely of revenge with bullshit added on to make it look like there was no real motive. Wait. But Stu dated Tatum and Casey's boyfriend was a football player. When was their break-up??? I always thought that Stu letting Billy kill Tatum was one of the most hosed up parts of Scream. Like, Stu's a psycho, but Tatum's very attractive and cool and puts up with his bullshit; there's not sexual angst and familial disputes like Billy holds against Sydney.
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Yeah, Stu feels like the "truer psycho" to me. Like Billy has motive. Stu's just having fun. I wish they had made that movie where Stu is the main character of The Following and is in prison with a whole cult of groupies.
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Aug 18, 2020 22:40
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, Stu feels like the "truer psycho" to me. Like Billy has motivation. Stu's just having fun. Well, I mean, that's been an idea hinted at / posited for Scream 5 or whatever they're doing, with Lillard saying he'd like to return.
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Aug 18, 2020 22:41
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Franchescanado posted:Well, I mean, that's been an idea hinted at / posited for Scream 5 or whatever they're doing, with Lillard saying he'd like to return. I would be so drat down for that.
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Aug 18, 2020 22:45
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Yeah, I'm not super into another Scream but if they do that and really break the formula I'm totally down. I loved that idea when I read it was the original idea for that bad tv show. Makes me want to give the show another look.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I'm not super into another Scream but if they do that and really break the formula I'm totally down. I loved that idea when I read it was the original idea for that bad tv show. Makes me want to give the show another look. Was that the one where Kevin Bacon hunts members of James Purefoy's killer fanclub? That was terrible, though I only made it three episodes in so who knows it got better. But by that point it already felt like everybody except Kevin Bacon was a member of The Following, and I wouldn't have been surprised if Bacon turned out to be a member but he's brainwashed to forget after every meeting. The show was also really bad about people disregarding the opinion of the expert/master detective over and over again. What are some examples for competent experts/helpful law enforcement in horror movies? I just remembered Color Out of Space and how the sheriff was completely on board with Ward right from when things got weird. Not that he did any good, but at least he wasn't a dumbass.
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Yeah, that's the show. It was created by Kevin Williamson and supposedly it was originally a first draft script for a Scream sequel with Stu in Purefoy's role.
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Aug 18, 2020 23:07
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, that's the show. It was created by Kevin Williamson and supposedly it was originally a first draft script for a Scream sequel with Stu in Purefoy's role. That idea sounds infinitely more interesting than the lame-rear end Lecter Lite they had, as much as I like Purefoy.
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I mean, it probably would have been proto-Hannibal anyway but (a) it would have been Matthew Lilliard which is a totally different vibe and (b) it it would have been a film so not like episode after episode of stringing stuff out and adding twists. There's a film with Sigourney Weaver and Holly Hunter that is the same loose idea too with Harry Connick Jr as the serial killer with groupies. Copycat. Its ok.
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Aug 18, 2020 23:15
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I ended up watching the first two Killjoy movies last night and I was really disappointed by the actor playing Killjoy being switched out. The actor from the first movie seemed to be having way more fun.
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Aug 18, 2020 23:18
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My Twitter Account posted:What you're neglecting is that it never has to get to this point, because all they have to do is leave. They're not immediately attacked, they're given ample opportunity to say "OK, we don't belong here." But they don't, because they don't believe that. That isn't true, their car is stolen for a "joyride" (check another middle class Tory fear from the checklist!) before it gets to the point where it's serious enough to consider leaving. In fact the joyride even interrupts the idyllic white middle class marriage proposal because Britain can't have nice things while the working class youth are allowed to run wild. An alternative reading of Eden Lake where King Kong is actually the good guy doesn't work because it's an overtly classist story in the most loathsome way. At least King Kong slaps.
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Plus, they take their villians to an extra layer of indefensible with the necklace scene. That moment really puts the nail into the coffin of any sympathetic reading of the teens. As for Stu, is he ever explicitly stated as dead in the first Scream or its sequels, I know the TV falls onto his head and the visual coding of it is that he's dead. But if Scream 5 just went "he's been in prison this whole time", would that work?
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Aug 18, 2020 23:58
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I think most of us would buy into it if it was an interesting enough premise/movie. Its plausible. Like you could nitpick why they never talked about it or why Gale didn't write a book about him or something. But it doesn't take anything supernatural or premise breaking to get there.
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Franchescanado posted:Wait. But Stu dated Tatum and Casey's boyfriend was a football player. When was their break-up??? Jamie Kennedy says he got dumped by Casey and probably killed her due to that, and Stu does a quick "no I dumped her!" thing. Its one of the earliest killer identity clues, thrown out there immediately, and sneakily moves really quickly to more obvious red herrings so you forget. Especially since he's coded as someone that will eventually get killed. It goes into the "the 1st serial killing is personal" theory, too. Theres a lot of sneaky little stuff like that in the first one. Him letting Tatum get killed solidifies it too, in that he doesn't care about her and she was probably just a rebound. The first two killings were the most personal and vicious too. Edit again, 3 killings, counting Sydneys mom. I think Kennedy points out literal both of them as soon as they are introduced, for that matter. Edit: made a bunch of phone posting edits Darko fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Aug 19, 2020 01:09
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This is the most hilariously obvious scene in retrospect, too, but you didn't quite know there to just listen to everything Randy said because he was the screenwriter voice at the time: https://youtu.be/9SYTdjG0BO4 (Both killers in the horror section, both trying to or having killed girlfriends)
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Halloween Jack posted:Pandemonium seems like the time-traveling sequel to Detention (2011). The one about strippers fighting an animal-masked serial killer or the 80s one about Canadian mounties bravely defending cheerleader camp? I assume not the Vince McMahon biopic or the one about British poets.
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Aug 19, 2020 01:52
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Yeah, Scream is an amazing film to go back and rewatch for all the clues and wink wink moments. Stu in particular is a great "obnoxious teen" to "oh, that guy's a psycho" thing.
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I'll still go to bat that Scream as a series doesn't have an outright awful entry like most other slasher films. Scream 3 ain't great but it never hits the same lows as F13, Halloween, or Nightmare on Elm Street.
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Grendels Dad posted:What are some examples for competent experts/helpful law enforcement in horror movies? Carradine in Q immediately comes to mind. I feel like it was a bigger thing in b&w monster movies, when authority figures were more exalted.
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Eden Lake is literally just "The poors are evil psychopaths and if you get near them they'll brutally kill you" and it's not subtle about it. At all.
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Scream is great, and I remember having such fun watching it the first time, trying to work out who the killer was.
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Grendels Dad posted:What are some examples for competent experts/helpful law enforcement in horror movies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Ii7AwnYbU
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Jaws, but only the second half.
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Jason enforces the LAW OF THE LAKE
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Kvlt! posted:Jason enforces the LAW OF THE LAKE No heavy petting.
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It only leads to trouble and seat-wetting.
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Crystal Lake Rules-
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TheOmegaWalrus, this is your one reminder that you are posting in this thread under very specific restrictions, which you can read in this post. I recommend you bookmark it and refer to it every single time you go to post here, and in CineD in general.
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Can that be the same for all gimmicks? The whole poser thing always seemed way too aggressive for this thread and soured the mood here a bit for me.
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Not related to slasher talk: the other night I took a chance on Turkey Shoot, on Shudder, and it was pretty drat awesome. or Oz-some, since it's very much an Ozploitation version of The Most Dangerous Game/Running Man/Hunger Games/What-have-you. On the surface, yes, the formula is pretty played out, but there were solid performances from Steve Railsback (AKA the astronaut from Lifeforce) and Olivia Hussey (AKA Juliet from Zefirelli's R&J). Other selling points: - Score by Brian May! No, not the guitarist from Queen, the other Brian May, who composed the soundtrack to Mad Max and The Road Warrior! - Speaking of Mad Max... Also stars Roger Ward, AKA Fifi (Max's commander)! - Directed by Brian Trenchard-Smith, the director of Night of the Demons 2, Dead End Drive-In, and Leprechaun 3 and 4 (In Spaaaaaace!). Also, he immediately followed up Turkey Shoot with BMX Bandits. Go figure. There's was a surprising amount of gore for a film from 1982, and there were also several moments that simply made me guffaw in a completely "WHAT!?" kind of way. There are so many things that come across as ridiculous, I can't figure out if they were budgetary or artistic decisions. Either way, it's worth checking out. At the very least, it's not boring and at only 80 minutes, it's pretty efficient. Also, skip the trailer if you're interested because that thing is spoilers galore.
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ruddiger posted:Can that be the same for all gimmicks? The whole poser thing always seemed way too aggressive for this thread and soured the mood here a bit for me. no
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What's a good non poser movie I can watch tonight friends
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NUMBER 1 FULCI FAN posted:What's a good non poser movie I can watch tonight friends i just watched Headless it was pretty good also OG Willard
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Kvlt! posted:i just watched Headless Did you ever watch Found, the movie it's a spinoff of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9y5bSe1u3g
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flashy_mcflash posted:Did you ever watch Found, the movie it's a spinoff of? Ooh no i gotta check this out thanks!
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Which headless
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Kvlt! posted:i just watched Headless it was pretty good Dawg, you need to watch The Blob '88. Did you finish Home Sick?
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Aug 19, 2020 22:38
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ruddiger posted:Can that be the same for all gimmicks? The whole poser thing always seemed way too aggressive for this thread and soured the mood here a bit for me. 
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Maybe the poser thing is a bit harsh on first time posters but if you're been around the thread you should know it's just a joke. Calling people posers for having the wrong horror opinion is something a 14 year old does, hence the joke(Kvlt! is no longer 14).
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I find it kind of obnoxious and I sometimes don't post something because like, I just don't feel like dealing with the noise. But whatever. We can all stand to second guess our posts and at least its not creepy most of the time.
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