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Sindai posted:It's small. I think it'll end a long ways into the future with her dying in bed and her spirit going to be with everyone else she's met along the way in the land of the dead, fully appreciative of the time she's had with others.
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Where does this weird trend of misspelling her name as Frieran even come from
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HenryEx posted:Where does this weird trend of misspelling her name as Frieran even come from The thread title and the OP maybe? Everyone in this manga is named after a German word which fits their character. It's really on the nose actually. The award tank is called Eisen, (Iron), the axe swinging warrior is called Strong the cold elf is called Frieren I.e. freezing. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 24, 2020 |
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Jul 28, 2020 22:08
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Chapter 13.  I'd been wondering if any other elves still existed. Hopefully this is Chekhov's Elf, and we'll run into some more soon.
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Squidster posted:
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I’ve been wondering why she doesn’t just hang out with elves so I’m glad this chapter answered that question.
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rannum posted:where are we headed
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Today in Frieren we learn: Racism is Right.
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Aug 18, 2020 19:35
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Aug 18, 2020 19:46
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Today in Frieren we learn: Racism is Right. Yeah I thought you were joking but WEW
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Aug 18, 2020 19:49
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Aug 18, 2020 19:53
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Today in Frieren we learn: Racism is Right. I was expecting a bit more nuance here, but if the monster manual says Demons are Chaotic Evil I'm not going to complain.
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Aug 18, 2020 20:01
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I think Frieren and the demons have more in common than she's comfortable acknowledging. Frieren isn't particularly concerned that everyone in the city could be killed, thinking only that she can escape in the chaos. Even without her staff, I'm sure she's powerful enough to blast her way to freedom. Back when they fought the shapeshifting demon, she was perfectly content leaving it to prey on innocent travelers until Fern rebuked her. To both Frieren and the demons ( as far as we've been shown ) short-lived lives simply don't matter. The only difference between them is that Frieren's biology doesn't require her to prey on sentients.
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Squidster posted:I think Frieren and the demons have more in common than she's comfortable acknowledging. Based on this chapter I don't think demons need to eat humans. The little girl was living just fine in the human village. Her problem was that she didn't understand that people are upset if other people die. She killed the chief so she could replace the woman's daughter, thinking that then finally no one would be mad at her.
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Yeah it just feels like the demons and humans just don't fundamentally understand one another. I think there could very well be peace they could work towards. We'll see!
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Shinjobi posted:Yeah it just feels like the demons and humans just don't fundamentally understand one another. I think there could very well be peace they could work towards. We'll see! The demons seem to understand humans very well since their whole thing seems to be using mimicry to make humans let their guards down so they can be eaten/manipulated. It’s a species that’s nothing but high functioning psychopaths who want to eat you.
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I'm reminded of the hyena monster the leucrotta (or crocotta, from which I believe the hyena gets its scientific name) which can imitate human speech and does so strictly to lure humans and dogs alike where they can be attacked and eaten. Basically the same idea, but they also can look humanoid too.
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Shinjobi posted:Yeah it just feels like the demons and humans just don't fundamentally understand one another. I think there could very well be peace they could work towards. We'll see!
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Lügner means Liar, if it wasn't obvious.
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Nonono, just you wait and see. Ol Shinjobi has a feeling that everything's gonna turn out juuuust fine. 
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Lurking Haro posted:Lügner means Liar, if it wasn't obvious.  You mean he and Baron Baby-eater aren't on the up and up?
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Brought To You By posted:There's a lot more care and effort in getting things to this point by abusing the whole concepts of diplomacy and civility. That could actually be an interesting concept, but tying it to biological characteristics of a race of sentient beings is frankly horrible and I really hope there'll be some sort of twist to it. As it stands, the demons apparently also use language to communicate with each other, and they have clothing and architecture and everything, so they're obviously not just going through the motions when humans are around; but in my opinion that just makes it worse, since it means they're for all intents and purposes a humanoid race which is inherently evil and manipulative. Not that that's a rare thing in fantasy stories, but this particular portrayal veers dangerously close to antisemitic concepts. That's probably not even intentional (it can easily be read as exploring another aspect of the dissonance between various sentient species with wildly different life cycles), but it might certainly end up carrying some dangerous implications.
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Carpator Diei posted:That could actually be an interesting concept, but tying it to biological characteristics of a race of sentient beings is frankly horrible and I really hope there'll be some sort of twist to it. As it stands, the demons apparently also use language to communicate with each other, and they have clothing and architecture and everything, so they're obviously not just going through the motions when humans are around; but in my opinion that just makes it worse, since it means they're for all intents and purposes a humanoid race which is inherently evil and manipulative. Not that that's a rare thing in fantasy stories, but this particular portrayal veers dangerously close to antisemitic concepts. That's probably not even intentional (it can easily be read as exploring another aspect of the dissonance between various sentient species with wildly different life cycles), but it might certainly end up carrying some dangerous implications. I'd also want a bit more to be here but if demons are just very advanced mimics that isn't bad either.
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Demons as depicted so far are basically just humanoid cats, change my mind
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the impression i get is more 'entirely different thought processes and values than humans' and not 'pure evil,' though it is still a strange turn for things to take. some of the 'heh, these people are so stupid, only i know better' *frieran is completely right* is very.. right-wing political cartoon. that said up to now it's been fairly thoughtful so im willing to give things a shot.
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Counter-point: It's ok for loving demons to just be evil.
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Turns out the demons are using some very new hyperregional slang where the word "enemy" means "friend".
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Mulva posted:Counter-point: It's ok for loving demons to just be evil.
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Mulva posted:Counter-point: It's ok for loving demons to just be evil. Textually, the demons aren't Literally Manifest Evil from Hell, they're just another race that exists in this land.
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Ibblebibble posted:Turns out the demons are using some very new hyperregional slang where the word "enemy" means "friend". Chasing people around with the translator from Mars Attacks.
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LibrarianCroaker posted:Textually, the demons aren't Literally Manifest Evil from Hell, they're just another race that exists in this land. This land of magic and magical beings in which the central conceit is that Frieran was part of a group that went to kill the demon king because the demons were getting up to all the cliche murder poo poo they always do in fantasy stories, and in which literally every single demon we've met has been an absolutely monster. Walks like a duck and all that..... I mean this is exact the dynamic that just came up in the story: "They look and sound like us and we can communicate, surely there must be a better way!" *demon absolutely brutalizes people, laughs about it, actively says every single thing it did was just the most crass form of manipulation* "Well, poo poo. Guess not?".
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Mulva posted:This land of magic and magical beings in which the central conceit is that Frieran was part of a group that went to kill the demon king because the demons were getting up to all the cliche murder poo poo they always do in fantasy stories, and in which literally every single demon we've met has been an absolutely monster. Walks like a duck and all that.....
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Frieran says they don't have families but they do, objectively, have some kind of social structure, cause ya know, Demon King and 7 Dukes or whatever. The sealed demon also mentions killing Frieran would be in the King's honor, demonstrating some degree of loyalty even to a dead ruler.
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Mulva posted:This land of magic and magical beings in which the central conceit is that Frieran was part of a group that went to kill the demon king because the demons were getting up to all the cliche murder poo poo they always do in fantasy stories, and in which literally every single demon we've met has been an absolutely monster. Walks like a duck and all that..... the only thing this proves is that she didn't value others' lives, but did value their opinions you can certainly claim she only valued people's opinions because she wanted to blend in and eventually eat them or w/e, but the story has not actually proven this (though it does seem like it's gonna take that route, tbf)
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Endorph posted:'this race of sentient beings is inherently evil' is both boring writing and also is super easy to slip into racism Unless it's a metaphor for white people. Which this well could be.
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