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The fact that "this time" gets by without a heart grab possibly means we could have characters piece together the whole Return by Death system without violating whatever arbitrary rules Satella has in place over what Subaru can disclose.
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Maybe Ram is starting to remember the loops because her name is Random Access Memory. Rem's name of course, refers to "rem" sleep and she's currently in a coma and that's kind of like sleeping. It's all in the names.
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Aug 13, 2020 05:48
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Conspiratiorist posted:It's played for laughs but the Memory Snow OVA shows Puck and Roswaal had a full DBZ-style fight when they first encountered each other, which they both look fondly back on as having been quite "exciting". I assumed that was either bullshit or puck humoring him. I hate to be a mega nerd but roswaal doesn't rank on any of nagatsuki's power rankings lol
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Aug 13, 2020 06:15
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Not Keyser Soze posted:The fact that "this time" gets by without a heart grab possibly means we could have characters piece together the whole Return by Death system without violating whatever arbitrary rules Satella has in place over what Subaru can disclose. Happened a bunch of times in S1, too. This particular aspect of RbD only seems to be triggered if Subaru is deliberately attempting to spill the beans. Tabletops posted:I assumed that was either bullshit or puck humoring him. I hate to be a mega nerd but roswaal doesn't rank on any of nagatsuki's power rankings lol If we're bringing in Q&As, Nagatsuki said that Puck in his true form ties with Roswaal (who is the strongest magic user in the series so far).
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Aug 13, 2020 06:32
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Elsa hurt Patrasche and now I hope she dies horribly.
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Aug 13, 2020 13:24
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Raxivace posted:Rem's name of course, refers to "rem" sleep and she's currently in a coma and that's kind of like sleeping.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:The fact that "this time" gets by without a heart grab possibly means we could have characters piece together the whole Return by Death system without violating whatever arbitrary rules Satella has in place over what Subaru can disclose. RBD seems to be whenever he's trying to tell someone deliberately, it's interesting that Echidna reading his mind or similar seems to get a pass, or Subaru's random non-sequitors also get a pass. Feels like Satella's rules about this might be either be a bit under autopilot according to very specific criteria, or her like ghost or something maybe either is cool with it as long as he isn't trying to jeopardize her plans. It'll be cool to see what the explanation in the end is.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:17
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so why was garf aggro to hell and back with subaru this time around? why did roswaal's insistence on emilia passing the trial not apply to the last cycle?
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Aug 14, 2020 09:07
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I want to give Rem a big hug and tell her things will be OK.
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Aug 14, 2020 10:28
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Only thing I can think of is Garf notices something the second time Emelia tries and fails, or is just sort of reacting in a contrarian manner.
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Aug 14, 2020 10:29
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A big flaming stink posted:so why was garf aggro to hell and back with subaru this time around? why did roswaal's insistence on emilia passing the trial not apply to the last cycle? Last time, Emilia failed over and over again. Now Subaru offered to do the trial right after.
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Aug 14, 2020 11:21
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great timing, Beatrice, I suppose
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Aug 14, 2020 12:37
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Zetsubou-san posted:great timing, Beatrice, I suppose That's the tragedy of it I guess, she doesn't know she's doing a 'bad' thing. It does make me worry Petra and Patrische miiight be done for though.
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Aug 14, 2020 13:00
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Armani Glasses posted:That's the tragedy of it I guess, she doesn't know she's doing a 'bad' thing. It does make me worry Petra and Patrische miiight be done for though. Did you miss Petra's arm and her body lying under the debris?
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Lurking Haro posted:Did you miss Petra's arm and her body lying under the debris? I think they mean in the sense that he didn’t get to die and reset everything.
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Ethiser posted:I think they mean in the sense that he didn’t get to die and reset everything. It's awfully early to think he only gets one retry. He also wanted to check if Rem is alive before dying, which was prevented by landing in the Library.
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Lurking Haro posted:Did you miss Petra's arm and her body lying under the debris? That scene is actually hard to make out because of the bloodied vision on top what I assume is anime Censorship Shadows. I assumed Petra was dead from context clues and because I knew what show I was watching.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:53
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Subaru was only holding on to her arm. We then flash to her body under the debris.
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Ethiser posted:I think they mean in the sense that he didn’t get to die and reset everything. Yes that is what I meant! I obviously hope this isn't the last run he gets, but it ended like it possibly could be, to me at least.
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I think Subaru's resets are mostly in regards to him reseting until he achieves some personal or overall goal that helps in advancing Satella's still currently unknown Xanatos level of consoluted plan. I don't really see what not being able to reset the death of Patriche and Petra would accomplish other than traumatizing him more. Maybe it could be argued he has yet to truly accept loss but I'm not really feeling it that's super pressing right now. Sometimes the reset point is made right after some major change i.e his fight with Emilia, either because the Doylist explanation that its necessasary for his personal growth in how he sees and interacts with others or because the Watsonian explanation being that fight was necessary to advance the Plan. One thing that I felt like I noticed this season was he might've been a little too reliant on the ability to reset to avoid a bad outcome, instead of facing it head on and learning the most from it; i.e acquire as much information as possible. Like when he first encountered Rem this season he learned nothing from that reset other than that it couldn't be reset. He didn't try to investigate it because of how distraught he was. I feel like I can intuitively sense some sort of parallel being drawn here where Emilia is having difficulty facing her past, but isn't really concerned with the future; where Subaru is the reverse, in the end he faced his past head on, its the future he's afraid of where he's afraid of losing those he loves and would prefer to reset everything rather than face it again.
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So far, Subaru's checkpoints have been situations where he, personally, is neither in immediate danger of dying nor seriously incapacitated, and has at least hours if not days to resolve the major obstacle in his path. If Return by Death were to update anywhere starting now, following the pattern, Beatrice would likely have to fully heal him and ensure he's in a position to not be troubled by Elsa. I'm not sure she quite has that capacity, so my feeling is that this is still a failed timeline, but he's not quite done learning everything he can for the loop.
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Aug 14, 2020 23:31
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Trying to understand how much time he has.
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Aug 14, 2020 23:47
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To put episode 5 and 6 in a timeline: Episode 5 Night 1 he passes the trial, has the discussion with Garf, Otto and Ryuzu and then talks with Emilia. Day 1 he talks with Ram about people trying to stop the barrier being broken Night 2 he talks with Garf as Emilia fails the trial again, then has a discussion with Roswal. Day 2 he packs up the villagers of Arlam and returns to the mansion, not arriving until the end of the day. Episode 6 Night 1 passes much the same except Emilia is in the discussion as well and he talks to Roswal about leaving the next day. Day 1 he quickly leaves in the morning with Ram arriving at the mansion around midday.
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That's a good point as well that I'm not sure we've ever had a reset save update at any time before the latest point he dies at or along those lines.
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LostRook posted:To put episode 5 and 6 in a timeline: I thought there was an extra day in episode 5 as he said it took him another day to convince Garf to let the villagers leave. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Aug 15, 2020 |
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Aug 15, 2020 01:34
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Yeah my understanding was that ep 5 covered 3 days.
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Raenir Salazar posted:That's a good point as well that I'm not sure we've ever had a reset save update at any time before the latest point he dies at or along those lines. while thats true, haven't the reset points been like, 4 or 5 points total?
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A big flaming stink posted:while thats true, haven't the reset points been like, 4 or 5 points total? There haven't been that that many save points but there's been a lot of resets such that going by the current pattern Subaru generally has at least until he gets past his latest death by reset before his save moves. And generally his save never moves if he hasn't accomplished something, I feel like there's nothing to indicate a reset at the moment.
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It says a lot about how good and compelling the story is if people in this thread can watch all of season 1 and still feel uncertain if ole' angry eyes Subaru can pull a metaphorical rabbit out of every hat in hat emporium. I also just realized who maylie is. And I'm overjoyed by how willing the show is to introduce seemingly throwaway characters that take entire seasons to return by plot.
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The aftermath of arc 3 has shown that even if Subaru "wins" he is not guaranteed a "golden ending" so the stakes are raised to "can Subaru pull this off without sacrificing too much and being unable to try again for a better outcome?" The nature of Return by Death being mostly out of his control retains a tension in the whole arrangement.
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And it bears repeating, the fact that Subaru is still mostly a weak, normal person in a world full back to back with badasses and insanely powerful characters and makes his way through by muddling it learning from mistake after mistake. A lot of isekais I glance at where the protagonist is a showy invincible protagonist just seems so bland and samey.
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Subaru did help this fight by being a walking smoke bomb. So there's that I guess.
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Seems like that will cause problems directly as, unless I've missed a step(or several given This Show..), the ever-more janked up condition of his rickety gate seems to be about the only thing that remains a constant unlike the rest of his physical condition upon resets---he was already supposed to be absolutely forbidden from the lot of it for quite some time yet given the last big fight.
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WHAT THE gently caress
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Zetsubou-san posted:WHAT THE gently caress That was a very stressful first 5 minutes to watch, I had to pause and step away for a moment cause oh boy Subaru calm down please. And then everything else happened, but at least we got to see that Subaru has made so many friends and he didn't even realise!
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WAIT SO Beatrice is part of the witch’s cult and let Elsa kill everyone, and let Elsa into her library so Elsa can kill Subaru. And made sure it was Elsa killing Subaru and not Subaru killing himself as it’s not part of the cult’s book’s prophecy. And now the village head and Garfield are trying to pull a gambit and get Emilia to succeed the trials by having Subaru kidnapped also cause Subaru is full of Witch Scent now. I am having difficulty understanding wait So is Mother? Did Beatrice say “Mother” so like are the Witches or at least one of them the creator of Beatrice???
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Aug 19, 2020 16:41
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Grouchio posted:I TOLD Y'ALL THIS IS GOOD poo poo
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So no wonder why Gar was acting different each reset. Subaru's witch's scent was something Garfield acted on depending on the severity of it, and also seems to go away with time? The bit with Beako was hard to watch. Subaru has a habit of lashing out when he's stressed and emotionally hurting people. 
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Annointed posted:WAIT SO Beatrice is part of the witch’s cult and let Elsa kill everyone, and let Elsa into her library so Elsa can kill Subaru. And made sure it was Elsa killing Subaru and not Subaru killing himself as it’s not part of the cult’s book’s prophecy. And now the village head and Garfield are trying to pull a gambit and get Emilia to succeed the trials by having Subaru kidnapped also cause Subaru is full of Witch Scent now. I would guess that Beatrice is one of the witch archbishops. I would presume of greed since that is associated with knowledge of everything like Echidna, and her book knows everything that she is to do. Mother would presumably be Satella.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I would guess that Beatrice is one of the witch archbishops. I would presume of greed since that is associated with knowledge of everything like Echidna, and her book knows everything that she is to do. wouldn't mom just be greed in that case? also i just realized those are butterflies in her eyes because that's greed's visual motif lol
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