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I know of exactly one divorce with a prenup that went well. It was an older couple, both their prior spouses had passed away, they were both very wealthy, and they had the prenup hammered out by both of heir lawyers. The marriage barely lasted a year, but there was no question about who took what assets in the divorce.
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Aug 21, 2020 05:25
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I've actually seen something extremely close to this. It was a double whammy too - a sovereign citizen marriage and a non-white sovereign citizen. Non-white sovcits are a weird and sad thing especially given the basic foundation of sovcit nonsense is a fundamental misunderstanding of the dynamics of law and power. (Hence why even anarchists will laugh at a sovcit getting tased by the cops as they scream about creating joinder) Such a misunderstanding is something a black American absolutely cannot afford to do given the potentially fatal outcomes even when complying with authorities.
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Wesley Snipes is some flavour of sovcit, isn't he? Though I suppose money and recognisability give him some safety advantages over the average black guy.
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Aug 21, 2020 07:35
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Runcible Cat posted:Wesley Snipes is some flavour of sovcit, isn't he? Though I suppose money and recognisability give him some safety advantages over the average black guy. He tried the Section 861 argument, which applies to non-us residents.
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Subjunctive posted:The copious red flags have gold fringe. This made me laugh
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Non-white sovcits are a weird and sad thing especially given the basic foundation of sovcit nonsense is a fundamental misunderstanding of the dynamics of law and power. (Hence why even anarchists will laugh at a sovcit getting tased by the cops as they scream about creating joinder) Such a misunderstanding is something a black American absolutely cannot afford to do given the potentially fatal outcomes even when complying with authorities. Also a lot of the underlying sovcit ideology is the idea of being screwed by the system and the power fantasy of learning the secret ways to fight back against the peole and systems screwing them and ruining their life. In that sense I have maybe the most sympathy for African American sovcits as they've been legitimately screwed by the system. When I practiced foreclosure defense I saw a ton of blue-collar rural whites go sovcit because in the process of losing their house they ideologically couldn't make the leap from "I'm getting hosed by late stage capitalism" to "capitalism bad". Instead they were seduced by the promise that no, the market is good, it's the government is bad and bad things are only happening to you because you don't know the secret words to keep the government out of your freedom. So there are people with legitimate grievences who get seduced into the ideology, but then again a lot of those greviences come when a sense of entitlement rooted in privilege hits reality. Like divorce is another case where usually dudes go sovcit and the grievence there is "what do you mean my wife has rights in divorce?"
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Soylent Pudding posted:Also a lot of the underlying sovcit ideology is the idea of being screwed by the system and the power fantasy of learning the secret ways to fight back against the peole and systems screwing them and ruining their life. In that sense I have maybe the most sympathy for African American sovcits as they've been legitimately screwed by the system. Yeah it's a sad situation where they understand "I am getting screwed over by a complex system I don't understand" and someone offers them the But because they don't understand the system in the first place they are incapable of assessing if the magic they're offered makes any sense either. And rather than conclude "this is hard and i need an established expert" they choose the "expert" that tells them what they want to hear (for a price, even). It's Dunning-Kruger all the way down.
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And then they don't understand how the magic words could fail unless the system is hopelessly corrupt. And that's how you get them setting their own house on fire just so they can murder the firefighters in an act of 2nd amendment defiance.
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StormDrain posted:I think that's going further than they do. To me the buck stops at "she's not earning money and contributing to the household therefore she's not owed money".
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DarkHorse posted:Some great thread highlights in this one I haven’t been that entertained in a long time. Thank you.
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DarkHorse posted:Yeah it's a sad situation where they understand "I am getting screwed over by a complex system I don't understand" and someone offers them the There's a certain intersection of mental illness/stupidity with conspiracy theories like SovCits. There are people who are obviously not totally mentally there, but aren't mentally ill or dumb enough to be completely unable to live an independent life. When you reach the level of "I was legally a corporation at birth, a trillion dollar loan was taken out in my name, my social security number is a secret offshore bank account, the cabal that runs the world is sending me signals with the fringe on their flags, and I actually own part of the corporation that controls the government," then you're well outside the range of someone who just wants to "beat the system" and have to have something that is seriously wrong with you beyond just being dumb and feeling screwed.
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Yeah having dealt with a lot of those folks I can't think of many where there wasn't obvious and extreme mental illness, usually something involving a severe break from reality. I'm sure the "beating the government" or being screwed over also applies to some of those folks but most of them are just not living in the same universe we do. Also anecdotally a lot of animal abuse/neglect for some reason, not sure why that's a thing, maybe the same as that comment above about divorce where the guys are surprised other people have rights and it's not all about you. threelemmings fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's a certain intersection of mental illness/stupidity with conspiracy theories like SovCits. There are people who are obviously not totally mentally there, but aren't mentally ill or dumb enough to be completely unable to live an independent life. That's how it starts, someone's just desperate or scared enough to not think critically, and then some grifter or true believer pulls them into a batshit cult. Not saying all of them are that way, and I'm not saying they have no responsibility for putting themselves in that situation. I lost a battle with my libertarian doctor uncle who was convinced some sovcit guru's "land patent" scheme would protect uncle's house from eminent domain. No matter how much I told him he was wrong, my uncle argued with me, the licensed attorney doing real estate litigation in the jurisdiction, that I didn't want to understand how the law really worked cuz I'm a socialist addicted to big government.
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I was part of a group of people who wanted to start a small company together (what we really wanted to do was make video games, and being a company seemed like the best way to do that). While we were trying to navigate the world of business law and translate our intent of treating each other fairly into legally solid contracts, one of the team members took the position that it didn't really matter because if it came to litigation, lawyers would be able to make anything mean anything anyway. This is a wrong idea but not one that fundamentally makes you incapable of living in society because most of the time it's possible to avoid lawyers and this guy would be willing to avoid them at all costs. A friend of mine who is a lawyer gives a lecture about what they call 'legal talismans": the words and incantations that people who kind of understand that the law exists but also understand it as a foreign entity. The FTP servers who all thought that some kind of click through disclaimer would protect them from the FBI or the people who post clips to YouTube and say "no copyright infringement intended" or the idea that cops have to tell you if they are a cop if you ask. Or, for that matter, the unenforceable non-competes and clickwrap software EULAs. In my work as a freelancer, I worked with large companies whose boilerplate agreements were obviously copied and pasted together frankensteins's contract that made my lawyer friend's eye pop out. All of these are game of telephone'd rumors about how the world works based on people's distant and frightening interactions with a legal system that shows up in movies mostly as a thing that gets the bad guys off on a technicality or in the news with the various outrageous outcomes of lawsuits or in people being shoved through the justice system. We're all, like, two bad explanations and one horrible incident away from being sovereign citizens.
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The flip side of poo poo like non competes and huge as gently caress EULAs is that they DO create a thing which has to be challenged, which means getting a lawyer etc. It's a non-trivial barrier.
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Cyrano4747 posted:The flip side of poo poo like non competes and huge as gently caress EULAs is that they DO create a thing which has to be challenged, which means getting a lawyer etc. It's a non-trivial barrier. Not surprisingly the master of this is Trump, who just keeps throwing bullshit through the system and tries to drain the other side of money. He loses constantly and basically every time, but very few people have the time and energy and dedication it takes to go through all the hurdles
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doingitwrong posted:a thing that gets the bad guys off on a technicality The defendant with a jurisprudence fetish
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Why does Bloomberg have an "Opinion" section for their "Finance" reporting?quote:401(k) Plans No Longer Make Much Sense for Savers After all of that, he drops this footnote in at the end to show what he compared against the two-person retired household in 1980 that was paying the highest marginal tax rate: quote:Median-income, four-member households in retirement paid 0% capital gains taxes in 2018, the last year for which data are available. Higher-income households and those in different tax situations may pay at rates of 15% or 20% on long-term capital gains. How is this allowed to be in the finance section (even under opinion) with all of these wild assumptions? - A four-person retired household (I'm guessing this is a financial analysis for polygamous seniors?) making median income in 2018 gets less of an advantage from tax-deferment than a two-person household making $280,000 in 1980. Might as well just put some of it in a taxable account and burn the rest! - The capital gains tax rate is 0% because the median household paid 0% in capital gains taxes. The cost of owning a Yacht is $0 per year because the median American household spent $0 in Yacht mooring fees in 2018! - Savings accounts don't pay 15% interest anymore and tax rates never change, so don't bother trying to save anything outside of a taxable account. - Employer matching doesn't exist. - You don't have to pay taxes on taxable accounts as long as don't withdraw that year. Dividends and re-balancing are tax free! Surely, they must have just let a random weird off the street write this? quote:Aaron Brown Why would you pay this man to manage your capital? That isn't even getting into the nit-picky things he ignores like 401(k)s having more protections from creditors or the fact that automatically deducting from your paycheck for retirement means 90% of the people who would never save anything end up saving something. He took a reasonable assertion like, "401(k)s are slightly less advantageous now than in 1980 (under very specific circumstances)" and took it all the way to "using your 401(k) is throwing your money away!" https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-21/401-k-plans-no-longer-make-much-sense-for-savers Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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DarkHorse posted:Not surprisingly the master of this is Trump, who just keeps throwing bullshit through the system and tries to drain the other side of money. Unless all of his NDA's get thrown out, which is looking increasingly likely since they aren't entirely legal. I thought Mary Trump's NDA would have been airtight, but along with the legally binding stuff like "don't disclose this settlement" he stuck in stuff like "never say anything bad about me as long as you live". I don't pretend to understand the legality of it all, but apparently if one part is impossible to enforce then the whole thing can be tossed.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Why does Bloomberg have an "Opinion" section for their "Finance" reporting? It’s tremendous content, Leon.
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Subjunctive posted:It’s tremendous content, Leon. These aren't quite as obviously wacky as Funko Pop stories, but there are some bonkers theories that Bloomberg is allowing to be printed under their finance section. The financial opinion pieces are separated out from their editorial and opinion section and are put in the middle of the financial reporting page. You have to click the article and check to see if it even an opinion piece or not. quote:The Pandemic Has Upended Asset Allocation Rules quote:Asset allocation, like morals or diet, is a sphere where simple edicts often help guide better decision-making. quote:This allocation assumed stocks, bonds and real estate would outperform cash over time. That assumption is no longer true. quote:But a crisis changes things. The Federal Reserve has cut interest rates to near zero and started purchasing more bonds and other financial assets such as exchange-traded funds — moves that may help prevent an economic depression in the U.S. but which also upend some of my basic assumptions. As a result, just like rules change in war, I am adjusting my asset allocation rules. quote:What should you do now? The first step is to divest from traditional index funds and blue chip stocks, but where to put your money afterwards? Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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Forums double posted somehow.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Forums double posted somehow. A quote so nice you posted twice
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https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/ie0o8r/i_very_recently_found_out_my_fianc%C3%A9_is_rich_rich/quote:I very recently found out my fiancé is rich rich quote:As the title suggests I just found out that my fiancé is wealthy and I mean ridiculously so. He proposed to me and then a few days ago he started talking about prenups and I laughed at that saying “broke people don’t have prenups” and he was like “who said I was broke?”   
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That guy is such a piece of poo poo. Mooching off your girlfriend/fiance to the point where she's selling her possessions to pay for your dogs surgery, and then demanding she sign a prenup to not recoup any of it. Unbelievable.
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Holy poo poo, like I get that at some point, people do end up with enough money that gold diggers might be a real concern but drat, just pretend like you've got wealthy parents that you beg money from occasionally or something.
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"babe I was a poverty tourist, but good news is you passed the gold digger test!"
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It kind of sounds like a Hallmark movie, except in that he’s the wealthy heir to Santa Claus and in the end he pulls out a red sack with her violin in it.
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Honestly if he's setting himself up as that dishonest, I'd wanna see some proof of him actually being that rich.
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I bet it's one of those fake reddit writercises.
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DarkHorse posted:Some great thread highlights in this one Thanks for this. That was a fun watch.
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crazysim posted:I bet it's one of those fake reddit writercises.
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Now that I read it again, "0.0007999999999999999%" is an amazing (and stupid) way to indicate that fraction of wealth.
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Martman posted:Now that I read it again, "0.0007999999999999999%" is an amazing (and stupid) way to indicate that fraction of wealth. How else do you indicate that it's an $800 violin and the guy has $1,000,001?
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Volmarias posted:How else do you indicate that it's an $800 violin and the guy has $1,000,001? If she got her math right, he'd be a hundred times richer than that.
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quote:I used a family friend to purchase my new home and they insisted on giving the keys to my mom instead of me (not an owner of the home)
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