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CharlieFoxtrot posted:pretty sure Anogg and Konogg got White Chlorination Syndrome from the factory... There is approximately zero chance we won't be fighting one or both as a boss in the third raid.
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They take off their hats, revealing that they are Devola and Popola.
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Clarste posted:They take off their hats, revealing that they are Devola and Popola. But Devola and Popola live in the Ruby Sea 
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Never stopped them before
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Regy Rusty posted:Never stopped them before No one stops. No stopping.
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Eimi posted:Easy term of phrase, rather the XI plot was that Altana was jealous that Promathia was the god of creation, and so she imprisoned him and stole his powers. She used this to create the five main races as her children to worship her. Promathia tricks the Zilart into freeing him and creates the beast races in revenge against Altana, vowing to destroy her creation. So you're stuck in the war between them. Promathia is totally justified but if he wins, well you all die horribly. Altana is as it turns out a horrible rear end in a top hat and worshipping her isn't good either. I know this was a few pages ago at this point, but... I'm sorry, but having played and beaten Chains of Promathia, this is complete bullshit. None of it is true.
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Melomane Mallet posted:I know this was a few pages ago at this point, but... I'm sorry, but having played and beaten Chains of Promathia, this is complete bullshit. None of it is true. What is true then?
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thetoughestbean posted:What is true then? E4: You know what, I made a complete mess of my explanation so I'm scrapping the whole thing and starting over (for all two of the people who scroll back far enough to care): *deep breath* Basically: Promathia was the god of death and was planning to envelop the world in Emptiness using the power of the mothercrystal; in order to stop him, Altana took the mothercrystal, divided it into five and created the five playable races to contain Promathia's dispersed Emptiness. As children of Promathia we all contain a piece of that Emptiness (unlike the Zilart): it's what makes us mortal. The beastmen did not exist until after Promathia's death, but a bunch of moblins (similar to goblins) found a statue of Promathia in their mines and started worshiping it because they assumed it was their god. Chains of Promathia's whole story kicks off because Emptiness started leaking from the mothercrystals and Bahamut decided the only way to stop Promathia and the Emptiness was to wipe out the player races, so Promathia couldn't use that inherent Emptiness to resurrect. On a final note, one of the characters in this is a samurai from the Far East named Tenzen, who wields a blade containing the soul of the terrestrial avatar Phoenix. And now you know where the Tenzen/Suzaku thing in FF14 comes from! 
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Thinkin about Zenos in the main thread, was it ever explained how he body hopped after 4.0? We dig up his grave to find his body missing but I don't remember if it came up aside from crazy Resonant bullshit.
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His body was missing because Elidibus jacked it. As for how Zenos survived, I'm assuming there Resonant somehow gave him Ascian like powers when he died. It seemed like that Sahagin shaman back in 2.x was body-hopping.
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Veotax posted:His body was missing because Elidibus jacked it. The Echo/Resonant is literally waking up to some of the powers of the ancients, so it’s the same powers as the Ascians use
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Zenos seems to have a deeper connection to his Ancient pre-self than most sundered souls do, what with regular dreams of the starshower. I suspect that's why he has a larger percentage of what Ascians can do than the average person with the echo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbR8TtVWReI He did the whole thing! E: Pft, apparently Square shared the snippet he did for the original video and Soken literally asked him to make a full version https://twitter.com/SOKENsquareenix/status/1294163445420421120?s=20 Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Aug 20, 2020 |
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Aug 20, 2020 18:34
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That owns so hard
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I'm beginning to wonder if Zenos isn't actually Shinryu at this point. Not like he's not Zenos any more, just kind of like how Sephiroth and Jenova are technically the same person during FF7. Could definitely see them leaning into him being a shard of Elidibus the way the WoL is probably a shard of Azem, too.
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badass. Alex's analysis videos are all great too
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Chillgamesh posted:I'm beginning to wonder if Zenos isn't actually Shinryu at this point. Not like he's not Zenos any more, just kind of like how Sephiroth and Jenova are technically the same person during FF7. Could definitely see them leaning into him being a shard of Elidibus the way the WoL is probably a shard of Azem, too. He can't be a shard of Elidibus because there are no shards of Elidibus, he was one of three people who didn't get split apart by Hydaelyn.
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Eopia posted:He can't be a shard of Elidibus because there are no shards of Elidibus, he was one of three people who didn't get split apart by Hydaelyn. oh, duh, right
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Final Fantasy XIV 5.3 Spoiler Thread: Please kill us with a funky beat!
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Chillgamesh posted:I'm beginning to wonder if Zenos isn't actually Shinryu at this point. Not like he's not Zenos any more, just kind of like how Sephiroth and Jenova are technically the same person during FF7. I could get behind this take that Zenos has been controlled by an angry murder-dragon. It actually makes some degree of sense; Shinryu was born out of raw desire to gently caress the Empire's poo poo right the gently caress up, and what does Zenos start working towards RIGHT after dodging death? But I don't think it'd happen, because that sounds too interesting a problem, and Zenos is not a man with interesting problems.
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cheetah7071 posted:Zenos seems to have a deeper connection to his Ancient pre-self than most sundered souls do, what with regular dreams of the starshower. I suspect that's why he has a larger percentage of what Ascians can do than the average person with the echo. Well he is an immediate descendant of an Ascian though who knows how much of a difference that makes
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Varis was too and it didn't help him much.
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Waffleman_ posted:Varis was too and it didn't help him much. Well you see, necrotransferrence skips a generation. goddammit what if varis comes back wearing a dead guy's body now too
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I would accept it if somehow he got stuck in a lalafell body.
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What if he's Haurchefant
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I like imagining that the devs realized they'd made varis but never given you a chance to fight him before he gets offed, which lead to pretending you fight him in cid's dreams.
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I think switching out Varis to bring Zenos back as the big bad is my least favorite plot twist in the game. Fighting the Empire as led by someone who actually gave a poo poo about it seemed fine to me.
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Varis is not exactly bursting with depth and pathos in comparison to his kid.
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Sinteres posted:I think switching out Varis to bring Zenos back as the big bad is my least favorite plot twist in the game. Fighting the Empire as led by someone who actually gave a poo poo about it seemed fine to me. I think it was necessary for it to break because the Empire was just a long term Ascian plot and it descending into civil war once the Ascians are gone makes a ton of sense considering the Garlean philosophy of fetishizing strength. Zenos is the perfect encapsulation of the Garlean ideal. He is one of the strongest beings alive and can enforce his will through that strength and it ends up turning to poo poo because he doesn't care about anything but a fight. Varis being slain by the embodiment of his philosophy (as well as his own son and kind of an Ascian) is the perfect way for him to go out. It sucked when we didn't get to fight him but they resolved that.
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Rand Brittain posted:Varis is not exactly bursting with depth and pathos in comparison to his kid. Daddy issues and nihilism are not depth or pathos.
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Zenos's only contribution atm is sitting around looking bored while the Ascian he barely tolerates chews scenery, so idk how much difference it makes. I'm just sick of him because we've already been here before. If there's another twist and he's removed as the central villain of the next arc, I'll praise them for that when it happens. I think anything they give us obviously has a lot to live up to after this expansion, but a retread just feels like the worst possible choice to me. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Zenos is gonna get offed halfway through 6.0 by Fandaniel who takes the power of Zodiark for himself or something, callin it
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Zenos will go out in 6.3 and the Warrior of Light's final dialogue options will be between "I wish you could have been around longer." and "I liked you more than Emet-Selch." Fandaniel will get punked by Altima last moment so they can do a double-dip on Tactics.
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Pyrus Malus posted:Zenos is gonna get offed halfway through 6.0 by Fandaniel who takes the power of Zodiark for himself or something, callin it I love that I have no idea if Zenos will kill Fandaniel, or if Fandaniel will kill Zenos, but either one seems more likely than both of them surviving to face us.
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no way this all doesn't end with a zodiark v hydaelyn mech battle. the only question is who our opponent is and who is piloting what
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we do fight varis earlier on... at the negotiating table. its a nice homage to ff6 where you go and negotiate with the empire for no reason before kefka kills the emperor and plunges things into chaos that also makes zenos kefka in this scenario... someone should probably keep him away from the warring triad
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Farg posted:no way this all doesn't end with a zodiark v hydaelyn mech battle. the only question is who our opponent is and who is piloting what "oh we have both kinds of anime - mecha and magic girl"
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Mad Wack posted:we do fight varis earlier on... at the negotiating table. its a nice homage to ff6 where you go and negotiate with the empire for no reason before kefka kills the emperor and plunges things into chaos The last thing we need is Zenos hijacking Sephirot, because with the extra arms he could use all his katanas at once.
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Hunter Noventa posted:The last thing we need is Zenos hijacking Sephirot, because with the extra arms he could use all his katanas at once. Here me out. A power multi armed fighter who likes to collect weapons.
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Hogama posted:Zenos will go out in 6.3 and the Warrior of Light's final dialogue options will be between "I wish you could have been around longer." and "I liked you more than Emet-Selch." This is ideal.
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