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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Legacy is worse written though. Dominic Deegan is more offensive and still the second worst artistic endeavor ever written (maybe... Beyond: Two Souls really gives it a run for its money), but in terms of the sheer craft of writing, I feel like Legacy tops it. I feel like comparing Mookie's writing to David Cage's is an insult, but I'm not sure towards whom.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 12:32 |
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From what I remember Mookie writes rape when it's in service of something else, like trying to make a terrible point that nobody wanted made about heroic villains or a godawful joke about Dominic's love life. David Cage is just touching himself to his female characters suffering sexual violence and has only barely been stopped from having depictions of it actually show up in the final products. Yes, I know about the dead women's asses, but, again, I don't remember Mookie ever killing a woman off arbitrarily because there hadn't been enough corpse butts for his tastes lately.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 12:46 |
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YF-23 posted:I feel like comparing Mookie's writing to David Cage's is an insult, but I'm not sure towards whom. Oh no, I wrote ze bad comic. Mookie has a load of issues but the Stonewater arc seems to have been borne out of immeasurable stupidity and tone-deafness, rather than the inevitable-#MeToo creepiness of Cage.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 13:03 |
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It's very Mookie, but I hate how Danica and Grex never kill anyone with their violence in a setting where otherwise people get mowed down constantly. There is a superhero trope element to that, but in other superhero stories the switch between violence as action and violence as potential death is story driven and they don't usually coexist simultaneously within moments of each other. I think Mookie is the only person I've ever see write a superhero story where their implausibly non-lethal violence (and hell she's not even using he lightbeams, just punching them) is like a canon superpower and better than the dumb violence of the It literally is, what if Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen (working with the government, mascot superhero) but played straight. No bad outcomes, no dead people. Again, Mookie you madman.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 13:11 |
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YF-23 posted:I feel like comparing Mookie's writing to David Cage's is an insult, but I'm not sure towards whom. The world.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 13:15 |
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In conclusion: Lady Green Lantern is America so shut the gently caress up and stay out of her way.
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Uncanny Valley posted:I downloaded the streams way back when. Looks like either UStream's auto-archiving or my copies might be missing a few sessions, and the videos are lovely UStream quality, but ~37.5 hours of Dominic Drinkin is still a hell of a lot of Deegan. please!
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 14:12 |
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Kavak posted:Mookie has a load of issues but the Stonewater arc seems to have been borne out of immeasurable stupidity and tone-deafness, rather than the inevitable-#MeToo creepiness of Cage. Stonewater is definitely a Mookie self-insert and with the more recent revelations that Mookie sees himself as an Orc and that he aspires to be "Lawful Good," the whole sequence feels like he was, at the time, trying to find a way to justify or indulge in a dark fetish while still being able to consider himself "good person." PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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Missed opportunity not naming this comic White Savior.Rotten Red Rod posted:
Surely you mean Grex was disguised as a callgirl? Since Semme is also a cop and going undercover in their own department is a completely unnecessary risk? A non-binary character being written as using their gender identity to trick men feels very...sus. It could just be me, but considering this same chapter has characters bet on how somebody will be presenting that day I don't have a lotta goodwill towards Mookie when it comes to these things. Rotten Red Rod posted:According to Mookie in this blog https://starpowercomic.com/a-look-back-and-a-look-ahead/, they didnt want to deconstruct the superhero genre. Mookie sees a hero not 100% certain that they have the Mandate of Heaven and thinks that's a deconstruction of the genre. This blog post also confirms they would bounce the script back and forth and both make edits. Star Power doesn't feel like it had the full effort of ONE writer, but you're gonna tell me two minds worked on this? Oh no!
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 14:24 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:It's funny how he thinks he's not good at color when the issue is that he's not good at any art. Is this an open Discord?
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 14:32 |
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TheHan posted:Surely you mean Grex was disguised as a callgirl? Since Semme is also a cop and going undercover in their own department is a completely unnecessary risk? A non-binary character being written as using their gender identity to trick men feels very...sus. It could just be me, but considering this same chapter has characters bet on how somebody will be presenting that day I don't have a lotta goodwill towards Mookie when it comes to these things. Nope, it was Semme. They are not a cop though, they're a private detective. It's possible that plotline is exploitative, but, again, it didn't feel like something I'm qualified to judge. And if you think about it, that COULD be a really interesting idea for another comic or series - a non-binary detective that can go undercover as a man or a woman. (Just not written by Mookie.) Like I said, this comic would be better if it was about Semme.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 14:34 |
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Agent Rush posted:Is this an open Discord? Yeah, it's Ethan Becker's discord. I'll edit in an invitation here when I find it. Edit: discord link here: https://discord.gg/eKD9hfy My friend streams the sessions on his twitch page: http://www.twitch.tv/iamspacedad?sr=a Totally free but tips are appreciated. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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You can really feel his immaturity pouring through Danica as she shouts "Why didn't we just go and beat up the criminals way before this!?" He really honestly thinks the solution to crime is just find the bad guys, knock them out with overwhelming force, and then put them in jail, doesn't he. The idea that you need things like evidence and rule of law is frustrating to him because well if the GOOD GUYS are doing it, how can they do wrong? Just get the goodest guys! And give them the biggerest guns! This is a child's understanding of justice and crime. Israel and Palestine would stop fighting if only America would come in with BIGGEREST GUNS and tell them to stop! And then they'd realize they're being DUMMY HEADS and doing FIGHTBATTLES when America has even MORE GUNS and so they need to work together because all global conflicts are based on people being dumb silly foreigners who can't examine their own actions! I think Star Power ends up saying a LOT, honestly. It's a desperate complaint to the world that it isn't as simple as it looked when I was 6 years old barely able to understand the comic books I was reading. How dare you be complex? How dare humans have dimensions? In school I thought all the bullies were mean because they were stupid doo-doo heads, and now you're telling me they might have had lovely homelives or it was ME acting like an embarrassing idiot and no one could stand me?? UMM NO the bad guys are MEAN DOODIEHEADS, watch this SUPER PSYCHOLOGIST point out how DUMB they are! Villains don't pose a threat! Bullies are all paper tigers! If only I could punch people really hard I'd fix EVERYTHING in a DAY! I've read fanfiction where the mary sue has angel and dragon wings and dates every single character in the source material, that've had more mature understandings of the world than this.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 18:10 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Nope, it was Semme. They are not a cop though, they're a private detective. I can't pretend to be the foremost expert either, so it could is a concept that can be pulled off in a non-negative way. Mookie's just shown such an ignorance about gender in the past and present that I can't help but sideye anything he writes about it, especially when he starts flying close. Hostile V posted:In conclusion: Lady Green Lantern is America so shut the gently caress up and stay out of her way. Speaking of Green Lantern, the Star Power is loving boring. You don't have to load your heroes up with unique skills to make them interesting but besides the laser blasts (which are already hella generic) she just has a sword and shield I get that he wanted to do a paladin superhero, but you'd think there'd be more star themed powers? The sword and shield could be made out of metal and you wouldn't lose anything.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 19:10 |
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She doesn’t even use the sword and shield much, her real powers are...well, she’s Superman, except badly written.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 21:10 |
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You're called Star Power but you don't actually have any sort of relation to what a star is! Like no fusion powers, or gravity powers, or magnetic powers, or heat powers.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 21:53 |
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well but she gets her power from the light of stars, I can't think of another superhero that does THAT
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 22:00 |
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Danica means "morning star"
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 22:25 |
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Wait why doesn't she get a morning star instead of a sword then? That's a free Mookie-level joke right there.
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# ? Aug 22, 2020 23:38 |
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Let's Get This poo poo Goin' Chapter 1: Oracle for Hire Mookie retoractively split the archives into chapters, so this is less a chapter than the first handful of strips where Mookie was operating on what seems to be the concept of a newspaper comic. They aren't very interesting or egregious on their own, but they do contain the protoversions of the tropes and cliches Mookie would rely on for the next decade. LIke RRR, I will not be posting every strip, but condescing where I can First some D-tier humor, and also the first inclusion of Mookietrope #1: Sexualized women are dumb and bad. This may seem small but it does hit me, given some of the things this comic will do in the future, that strip 2 is about a dumb bimbo with enormous boobs, and the joke is "god, her boobs are terrible" Mookietrope #2: Terrible puns. Self-explanatory really Mookietrope #3: Weirdly explicit humor in an otherwise extremly immature comic. Mookie will make puns and jokes like this, but overall the vibe of the comic is very much like is with the legacy: a sort of discomfort and naivete when it comes to sex and sexuality. This obviously can also be seen in the madonna/whore complex that will be everywhere in this comic. Here we have the first introduction of something important to the Narrative. This is the first introduction of Siegfried, or Siggy, who will be an antogonist, then an ally, then an antagonist again, to our hero. He is also the prototypical Mookietrope #4: Jerk Jock of the setting. Siggy asks to see how a duel with a famous swordsman who has besmirtched is honour will go. Dominic sees that the duel will not go well, so Siggy brutally beats Dominic. The next strip has nothing to do with this story, dipping back into gag a day. It is also where you can see the newspaper comic influence, since it is a Sunday colour strip, which is something mookie would continue to do to the end of the comic. Oh right, Spark is Dominic's talking cat who love's alliterattions. He just sort of appears on strip and is annoying. Chapter 1 also introduces us to two more main characters of the series. Stunt and Bumper, bumbling thieves who I think initially were supposed to be like jokey antagonists to Dominic, always trying to steal his spellbook. Summary: For me what's interesting about these strips is both a) the patterns we already see starting but also b) the fact that DD really didn't seem to start out as the ongoing serialized narrative it became. When it was this sort of gag-a-day thing, especially in the early 00's, I can see why people would be pulled into it, especially with the daily update schedule. If Mookie had kept it more like this, then his lack of planning might have been much less of an issue. The start of the next chapter has sort of the same feeling as these strips, but it becomes a longform narrative then. I think Mookie introducing characters like Luna derailed the idea of the strip quite a bit. Also, Art-wise, we can see the obvious anime influences. In particular, Mookie's famous Snout-faces are there right from the beginning. Mookie is aping the anime shortcut of having the mouth appear in the middle of the cheek for characters in profile, to save on having to animate the entire face. Except of course in a static medium like a comic strip it serves no purpose and just looks bad. Next Time: The Curse Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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I remember seeing early Deegan back in the day (and never following it, because even then it seemed dumb) and it always struck me as weird how modern their clothes look. Like, they're supposed to be in a fantasy setting, but everyone looks to be in jeans and t-shirts. I'm still not entirely sure if it was a conscious artistic choice or if Mookie had no idea how to convey the setting through their clothes and just drew whatever was easiest to do.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 00:27 |
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Open the gates!
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 00:34 |
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super sweet best pal posted:Open the gates!
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 00:47 |
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I updated the op and crossed out the rule to not talk about original Dominic Deegan, because there's just nothing to talk about wrt Legacy. Looking at a few posts in the beginning, posters were...well, I wouldn't say hopeful for Legacy. More like a bile fascination. It's amazing how things turned out.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:05 |
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What's egregious is that after ten years of comics, it literally did not improve. In fact as Mookie tried his hand at worldbuilding it got worse. SardonicTyrant fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Oh yeah agreed. The comics back then were dire but we read them anyway. Although I'd argue that Penny Arcade is still poo poo.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:30 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Oh yeah agreed. The comics back then were dire but we read them anyway. Although I'd argue that Penny Arcade is still poo poo.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:33 |
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Seriously, gently caress Mike "Gabe" Krahulik. Mookie is a weird guy, but no one was influenced by him like Gabe and Tycho.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:44 |
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SardonicTyrant posted:None of them were good. Apologize to Kid Radd.
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super sweet best pal posted:Apologize to Kid Radd.
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SardonicTyrant posted:
In conclusion: yeah they sure all were like that huh. e: except Kid Radd which upon many revisits has consistently held up as being pretty good.
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SardonicTyrant posted:
dominic deegan is fascinating and the world is a richer place for mookie having drawn it i hope mookie draws a thousand more comics
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:56 |
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Kid Radd had the benefit of being 100% custom pixel art that someone poured truly immense effort into.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 01:58 |
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Oh boy, that webcomic I hate is back in style. Thanks a million, The Little Death. This is going to be a blast.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Oh boy, that webcomic I hate is back in style.
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 02:08 |
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I think my original thought was that after Dominic Deegan, Mookie would've had to improve in some capacity. But then it turned out he just did Dominic Deegan in Space for seven years then went right into Dominic Deegan Shippuden. And y'now what at least the first two hold your interest.
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The Little Death posted:Stunt and Bumper, bumbling thieves who I think initially were supposed to be like jokey antagonists to Dominic, always trying to steal his spellbook. Note here: They're intentionally bumbling idiots because Mookie hates the idea of noble/cool thief characters. Thieves steal things, they're bad, why should they be treated as cool??
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# ? Aug 23, 2020 03:22 |
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Yeah he wrote a lot in the Star Power blogs about how he dislikes rebels and being "cool". I'm willing to bet these characters are based directly on his former friends D&D characters.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah he wrote a lot in the Star Power blogs about how he dislikes rebels and being "cool". I'm willing to bet these characters are based directly on his former friends D&D characters.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah he wrote a lot in the Star Power blogs about how he dislikes rebels and being "cool". I'm willing to bet these characters are based directly on his former friends D&D characters. What
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