Gridlocked posted:

I am not sure what the Toalpaz VS Bif thing is. Bif has been tunneling hard on Toalpaz bassed on gut feels and "Toal is ignoring me" which is really weird. Toal themself has provided a reasonable point for their vote today and hasn't really done much I see as scummy behaviour.

Bif's tunneling makes me feel like she either KNOWS something but isn't sharing or is hoping to fly under the radar as ignorable. Bif can you articulate further on your anti-Toal stance?

Asphyxious posted:

Please tell me that you’re actually going to post something useful.

We’re edging closer and closer to “town beet would have done something by now” and I don’t want the magic to end.

Sandwolf posted:

You’ve been avoiding talking about SNG all day to talk about Toalpaz or whatever, it’s not scummy until SNG flips scum

Sandwolf posted:

You’ve been avoiding talking about SNG all day to talk about Toalpaz or whatever, it’s not scummy until SNG flips scum

Sandwolf posted:

I’m not saying poo poo about you and Toalpaz

Bifauxnen posted:

Ok thank you for your clarity in this game of communication known as Mafia

Bifauxnen posted:

Ok thank you for your clarity in this game of communication known as Mafia

Hal Incandenza posted:

Mmmm slicing out 75% of the post you quoted to make it vaguely fit with your point about about an earlier post is not compelling nor a good look biffy

Scientastic posted:

Despite ostensibly thinking that SNG is scum, Asphyxious has been chucking his vote around a fair bit on what I recall as fairly shallow reasoning

Asphyxious posted:

How would he corroborate.

Why would you assume he would notice.

That only makes sense if in jailing him you thought both

- that he was town
- that he had a power role

IN WHICH CASE

WHY would you jail him?

##vote sandnavyguy

Asphyxious posted:

Agreed, that’s way too many words caged around SNG being town but trying to push that we should vote for him anyway.

Which implies Toal doesn’t actually have any scum reads.

##vote Toalpaz

Leaving this here for now.

Asphyxious posted:

This post pinged me hard got a variety of reasons, we have full blown maxim violation in here and it lines up with what’s happened earlier.

Here’s the thing: SNG has never generally claimed scum are on the vote at this point. He has explicitly cased two of the votes on him, tpink and Amnistar, neither of these cases hinges on their voting. But, Sandwolf has phrased this in a way to imply that SNG has only been vague with any of his claims.

There’s a lot that can be taken from this but here’s the bullet points

- Sandwolf has actively misrepresented SNG’s activity
- Sandwolf has set up a scenario where the vote leader has to draw from a smaller pool of votes
- if you reread SNG (which I just did, twice, it wasn’t fun) you’ll see his Tpink and amnistar cases have more effort put into them than most anything else flying around AND Sandwolf has consistently undermined and ignored his efforts

And,

- Sandwolf was the one who floated the JUGGERNAUT gently caress theory despite it having basically no merit, a spanner in the works to further confuse actual analysis.

##vote Sandwolf for deliberately misleading, undermining and misconstruing the case on SNG.

Likely sitting on this vote.

Scientastic posted:

Despite ostensibly thinking that SNG is scum, Asphyxious has been chucking his vote around a fair bit on what I recall as fairly shallow reasoning

Scientastic posted:

Also would vote Sandwolf

Asphyxious posted:

Beet’s still self conscious about his capitalisation though.

SHALASHASKA HAWKE posted:

well yeah I mean asset values are way down in this market

Asphyxious posted:

I’m slowly rereading everyone’s posts and, hopefully this doesn’t get quoted at me hilariously after the game, I’m pretty sure both Bif and Beet are town. Which is aces. I’ve got a bit of time this game so I’m busting out some of my analysis criteria and they both measure up very well, esp in their interaction with bminus and in response to others cases.

Epsilon Plus posted:

can you elaborate on "analysis criteria"?

sandnavyguy posted:

Kind of? But they both seem genuine, though maybe they’re just good bussers

Rarity posted:

Hi folks I was drinking for 11 hours yesterday wheeeeeee


Bussing is weakass scum play

sandnavyguy posted:

If anything, aside from my current cases I’ve given, I’m worried about grid disappearing off the face of the earth and Taste

Asphyxious posted:

Rarity posted:

Would vote Taste today just based off the face he should be way more active than this.

Gridlocked posted:

So for all my railing against meta posts I will point out that SNG's play is reminding me a lot of my last AusPol Mafia game where I too dropped a town claim early (was also Jailer but just said it was a protective role) and spent the rest of the game telling people to trust me because my power is good and useful and it can be confirmed. I also constantly claimed I will get lynched by scumbus as easy target which didn't happen, and then I was erroneously stabbed at night a few days later.

Gridlocked posted:

There seems to be a lot of applilications of Occams Razor going on from Sandwolf, tpink and Ami on to SNG. I can understand that reasoning, however I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to SNG for at least 1 more day.

My own position at the moment is I would prefer to vote someone else today but will vote for SNG in the future when more info comes to light given my recent re-read of how the situation could be playing out.

Ami has been solidly onto SNG since Day 1 and I think that they are a townie who is very confidant in their scumhunt. Sandwolf reads similar in this regard.

I dislike tpink's lurking stratagey. They seem to be taking quick shots at the easiest targets on each day thus far (me on Day 1 when it appeared they maybe a last minute pile-on and SNG who is being pushed on today.)

I am not sure what the Toalpaz VS Bif thing is. Bif has been tunneling hard on Toalpaz bassed on gut feels and "Toal is ignoring me" which is really weird. Toal themself has provided a reasonable point for their vote today and hasn't really done much I see as scummy behaviour.

Bif's tunneling makes me feel like she either KNOWS something but isn't sharing or is hoping to fly under the radar as ignorable. Bif can you articulate further on your anti-Toal stance?

I also feel like I should place some trust in E+ despite the masonry with now dead Humalong being unconfirmed.

Gridlocked posted:

Rarity was trying to be a big voice on D1 and it failed to have any uptake

Epsilon Plus posted:

I mean I asked hum about it when he was alive and he described it as some kind of forensic analysis horseshit, I was hoping you could go into detail for what your criteria are so we can discuss based on that

Hal Incandenza posted:

Add Amnistar to the Rarity pile of people who came out strong and now are coasting

Bifauxnen posted:

Gridlocked feels more like honestly asking me to elaborate at least, but I am not liking this Sandwolf bit:


Bolding mine, it's like if SNG really does flip town, it's trying to discredit the Toal case by making it sound like all I had on Toal was "Toal and SNG must be scumbros"

Tommunist posted:

Asphyxious posted:

Whup, showed your hand early there. I suspected as much. I’m actually keen some day to have a chat about my methodology, I’ve let some folks know some parts of it and it’s always pretty fun, but I know when I’m being set up.

This isn’t a joke nor an opportunity to score points off me, so nah. Not sharing today.

Epsilon Plus posted:

I have never seen taste engage wholeheartedly with a game before like D3, what is this

Rarity posted:

I agree with this analysis. Sandwolf's post felt off to me too but I couldn't put it into words.